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join:2012-01-29 | Stupid Cap rogers how about a gigabit per second both directions no cap 70 dollars like google fiber !
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join:2011-01-24
Fort Erie, ON
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| It's not over coax... ... it's over fibre, and only in areas where they run fibre direct to the premises. Instead of converting from fibre to coax at the home they'll just wire data directly and bypass DOCSIS all together.
Rogers, Cogeco and Shaw also have fibre-to-the-home deployments throughout Ontario and in most new neighbourhoods this is the default method of deployment, but as far as I know Rogers are the only ones who are now taking advantage of it. |
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| said by Gone:... it's over fibre, and only in areas where they run fibre direct to the premises. Instead of converting from fibre to coax at the home they'll just wire data directly and bypass DOCSIS all together.
Rogers, Cogeco and Shaw also have fibre-to-the-home deployments throughout Ontario and in most new neighbourhoods this is the default method of deployment, but as far as I know Rogers are the only ones who are now taking advantage of it.
I don't believe that it technically bypasses DOCSIS altogether, as that would require two completely different backend architectures. It's probably some form of RFoG, like Cisco's Prisma D-PON solution, which extends DOCSIS over a FTTH infrastructure.
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| Enjoy your usage, while it lasts Time until cap (250Mbps full utilization, apx)
4h 27m
Utilization calc (Usage provided / Usage possible at full utilization)
500 GB / 83700 GB
= 0.005973716
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Re: It's not over coax... I'll need to double check my math, but you'd burn your cap in 5 hours of maxing this connection.
Again given the cost of transit, and this is a dedicated fiber run. Cap's are solely an anti-competitive maneuver to keep the sub on legacy cable systems.
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brad
join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | reply to Gone
said by Gone:Rogers, Cogeco and Shaw also have fibre-to-the-home deployments throughout Ontario and in most new neighbourhoods this is the default method of deployment, but as far as I know Rogers are the only ones who are now taking advantage of it.
As is Bell. Even DOCSIS and what will be 3.1 is very limiting very quickly when you try to roll out higher speed tiers and/or more than a handful of such users in a neighborhood but also incapable at all of the upstream speed being used on the hier tiers being rolled out now by Rogers/Bell/Cogeco/Shaw, etc. |
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join:2001-11-21
Greenwood, IN
kudos:1 | reply to I_H8_Spam
said by I_H8_Spam:I'll need to double check my math, but you'd burn your cap in 5 hours of maxing this connection.
You'll burn your cap in less than 2 1/2 hours actually. (assuming you actually use the symmetrical connection to its fullest) |
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GonePremium
join:2011-01-24
Fort Erie, ON
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They utilize RFoG for television, phone and regular cable modem services that operate on converted coax at the premises, but I would be willing to bet that a 250/250 symmetrical service is utilizing its own IP backend over the fibre and not the optical modulated RF stream. The currently-deployed DOCSIS specifications out there don't support 250Mbit/s of upstream bandwidth, which sort of rules that out. |
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Re: Enjoy your usage, while it lasts Heaven forbid the poor soul who signs up and mistakenly leaves a router unlocked, or worse yet leaves utorrent running one night and the swarm consumes 1TB of data.
Capping FTTH connection, how Oh Canada!
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kaila
join:2000-10-11
Lincolnshire, IL | Wouldn't have guessed Moncton.... I know Moncton has really grown over the last decade, but I am pleasantly surprised that Rogers has the town FTTP ready for this launch. |
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Re: It's not over coax... said by Gone:The currently-deployed DOCSIS specifications out there don't support 250Mbit/s of upstream bandwidth, which sort of rules that out. It would be possible if Rogers had an R&D partnership with some equipment manufacturers for DOCSIS 3.1.
But Rogers' Internet page for 250/250 is "Rogers Ultimate Fibre" and is only "available in select areas" so it looks like we're talking actual fiber. |
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yyzlhr
join:2012-09-03
Scarborough, ON
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Re: Wouldn't have guessed Moncton.... said by kaila:I know Moncton has really grown over the last decade, but I am pleasantly surprised that Rogers has the town FTTP ready for this launch.
The article is a bit misleading. The beta is only in one community in Toronto and one community in Moncton. The availability in that one community in Toronto is also really small. |
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GonePremium
join:2011-01-24
Fort Erie, ON
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Re: It's not over coax... There's probably no point in even bothering with DOCSIS 3.1 if you're going straight fibre. |
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brad
join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | reply to InvalidError
said by InvalidError:It would be possible if Rogers had an R&D partnership with some equipment manufacturers for DOCSIS 3.1.
DOCSIS 3.1 the spec won't be out until Q2 of next year. You won't see chipsets for CPE until early 2014. CMTS gear even later.
It is more likely they've connected these very limited customers to a Metro Ethernet network as Comcast has done. |
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GonePremium
join:2011-01-24
Fort Erie, ON
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| said by brad:It is more likely they've connected these very limited customers to a Metro Ethernet network as Comcast has done.
This. |
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brad
join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | said by Gone:said by brad:It is more likely they've connected these very limited customers to a Metro Ethernet network as Comcast has done.
This. I had assumed they were rolling out this new speed tier to more than just ONE neighborhood in Toronto. Only servicing one neighborhood would make it extremely easy to build and/or extend a Metro Ethernet network to said neighborhood. |
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join:2002-06-26
Cortlandt Manor, NY
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Re: Enjoy your usage, while it lasts I can break that 500GB cap on my cable in 4 days (and I would break it in about 15) - what's the point? Seems like Canada is stuck in the middle ages thanks to protectionism...
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GonePremium
join:2011-01-24
Fort Erie, ON
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Re: It's not over coax... Well, one has to take note that "Toronto" probably means the GTA, and that something like this is probably available up in York Region rather than in Toronto proper itself. Rogers will most likely eventually roll this out to anywhere that they have fibre directly to the home, which I would assume is going to be a *lot* of homes up in York Region and a smaller number in Peel and Durham. When one considers that Futureway was doing fibre directly to new homes in York, Peel and Durham back in the early 2000s and using media converters, and that Rogers bought them in the mid-2000s, and that Rogers also has their own deployments all throughout new development in their territory (which is most of the growth in Ontario as it is) Rogers probably has the potential to service a lot more customers this way than Bell does.
Rogers aren't the only ones, either. Nearly all of Binbook is fibre through Shaw, and Cogeco has swaths of it in Ancaster, Oakville, Burlington and Thorold (and I'm going to assume Niagara Falls as well). They just haven't bothered to do anything with it - yet. |
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join:2008-02-14
Toronto, ON | reply to yyzlhr
Re: Wouldn't have guessed Moncton.... said by yyzlhr:said by kaila:I know Moncton has really grown over the last decade, but I am pleasantly surprised that Rogers has the town FTTP ready for this launch.
The article is a bit misleading. The beta is only in one community in Toronto and one community in Moncton. The availability in that one community in Toronto is also really small. It's not the article that's misleading. Go to rogers.com and click internet/packages and pricing. They advertise these speeds like its rogers most popular internet package. |
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brad
join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | It is the only tier that does not list a price and has an availability checker that won't qualify your area. That wasn't enough of a clue that it would be of a limited availability? |
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