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Comments on news posted 2012-11-15 12:20:35: AT&T's recently announced DSL expansion may not be all it was cracked up to be after closer examination. AT&T announced in a press release on November 7 that they'd be expanding their U-Verse coverage total from 24. ..


DataRiker
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Festering Toilet.

Did anybody expect anything honest from this crap filled commode?

Uverse is essentially a scam from the ground up. From its promise of advanced fiber optic television and internet , which delivers absolutely horrendous video quality, to its billing practices, and its treatment of workers.

Att hopes your either

A: stupid enough to believe the hype
B: unfortunate to have no choice

What trash.
MyDogHsFleas
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Austin, TX
kudos:5

Re: Festering Toilet.

Have you looked at U-verse TV lately? I think it's gotten better since I dumped it some 18 months ago (maybe 2 years). I saw it at someone's house the other day, it didn't look half bad even with fast action sports in HD.
delltechkid

join:2004-11-09
Hermitage, TN

Re: Festering Toilet.

I have it. It's still the same crappy HD. But it's cheap when you're in the promo period!
MyDogHsFleas
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Re: Festering Toilet.

Hmm. I saw some posts over on the AT&T community forum claiming they were rolling out new encoders to the VRADs. And some were seeing significant improvement.

Rangersfan

@sbcglobal.net

Re: Festering Toilet.

said by MyDogHsFleas:

Hmm. I saw some posts over on the AT&T community forum claiming they were rolling out new encoders to the VRADs. And some were seeing significant improvement.

All of your statements are correct. They contradict the statements of the non-customers in this thread.
MyDogHsFleas
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Re: Festering Toilet.

So I went ahead and got uverse TV installed. They have a 30 day money back guarantee so no risk. I have to say I like it. I kept my TWC DOCSIS 3 Internet because its clearly faster and cheaper than uverse Internet. Also this way my Internet bandwidth is not shared with TV.

HD quality is better than I remember it last time I tried it 18 months ago or so. I find it acceptable.

More channels, less money.

Only one DVR to record 4 shows.

Wireless boxes.

Light years better UI to the STB than cable. Also much faster responsiveness navigating through the UI and switching channels.

It has apps! Personalized weather, stocks, sports scores.

I am keeping it and dumping cable TV.
etaadmin

join:2002-01-17
Dallas, TX
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Yes, last week. TV picture quality is as bad as the day it was introduced to the public six years ago. Internet connection is still unstable (at that particular home) Internet speeds at least half (TWC 50Mbps) of what cable offers and worst case scenario a quarter and as much as 1/12 (300Mbps) of what Comcast offers.

cork1958
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said by DataRiker:

Did anybody expect anything honest from this crap filled commode?

Uverse is essentially a scam from the ground up. From its promise of advanced fiber optic television and internet , which delivers absolutely horrendous video quality, to its billing practices, and its treatment of workers.

Att hopes your either

A: stupid enough to believe the hype
B: unfortunate to have no choice

What trash.

That first line says it all. Can't even tell the truth about their own internal plans. I mean it was a plan. Not something they were actually promising or guaranteeing.
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Telco

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They're a dirtbag company, so this is indeed what I expected.

In fact, I was initially shocked at their announcement that they're actually expanding.

ItS1incusto

@comcast.net
After every quarter att reports the percentage of customers from homes passed, in the third quarter it was 17.8% and 4.3 million customers that would make it around 24,100,000 Homes Passed for TV/HSI. U-VERSE HSI has a longer reach and ATT reported 23% take rate and 7,100,000 customers, do the math, around 30,870,000 HP. The numbers aren't FUZZY, Mr. B needs to learn how read a quarterly report. AT&T said they will be using small form modules from the V-rads to extend the reach and speed of TV and HSI. AT&T needs to do this for its wireless network, small cells using U-VERSE and IPDSLAM for backhaul, covering 57 million customer locations will make AT&T WIRELESS difficult to compete with, in its 22 STATE footprint.

lordfly

join:2000-10-12
Homestead, FL
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AT&T doesn't care

My neighborhood is not in the upgrade period. Our DSL is substandard and if they even wanted to give anyone service in my area of a few houses, they would have to bond the entire pole.

I am waiting for them to just take the lines off the poles and recycle them. They would be more profitable.
EngineerDave

join:2001-08-27
Birmingham, AL

Re: AT&T doesn't care

What do you mean by "bond the entire pole?"
rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO

Re: AT&T doesn't care

Guessing here but I interpret it as meaning they would have to bond every pair on the pole to get enough throughput to support U-Verse. It's an exaggeration to support his opinion on the plant quality in his area but unless I'm way off, I think it makes sense.
etaadmin

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Dallas, TX
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said by EngineerDave:

What do you mean by "bond the entire pole?"

Figuratively speaking and a sarcasm pointing out the technology limitations.
elefante72

join:2010-12-03
East Amherst, NY

I said this weeks ago

Think about it:

Suburbs - New builds. Organic growth. Put the refrigerators in and UTP. Maybe fibre. Check.
Exurbs - Maybe fill out some areas where existing franchises are with new refrigerators. Take a look at data on population trends and build some new refrigerators.
Rural - Are you kidding me. Uverse technology wasn't built for that, and you have aged copper plants. Hybrid is only reasonable over coax. Now wouldn't that be funny if they went to coax

Just with new starts and filling out exurbs they should be good for a few million homes.

There are only two long term options in rural areas: Fiber or wireless, or a combo. Can you say whitespace.

gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall

join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA

Status quo

They sent a Motorola NV510 which doesnt have a bridge mode and seems to be unstable.

Seems intentional they disable basic features that every other modem Ive ever seen has.

The service is still distance limited so no faster speeds here, unless we choose another internet service, like Comcast or Cruzio.
Still a dam dinosaur. UUoogha buooogha.
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Os

join:2011-01-26
US

In other news.....

....AT&T is being AT&T.

SlowFITL

join:2012-02-01
Mobile, AL

FTTC

What about those that have FTTC in the old BellSouth territory. It wouldn't take much to upgrade us. Would they really cut us too?

NormanS
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Re: FTTC

said by SlowFITL:

What about those that have FTTC in the old BellSouth territory. It wouldn't take much to upgrade us. Would they really cut us too?

Actually, yes. They would. Upgrading the curbside boxes isn't trivial. Nobody builds replacement cards, so they must either extend the fiber to the premises, and install ONTs, a la FiOS (but AT&T has not, historically, overbuilt existing plant with fiber anywhere), or pull the fiber back to the VRADs and upgrade the copper plant. Neither is cheap, and they'd rather not expend capital for either.
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SlowFITL

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Re: FTTC

said by NormanS:

said by SlowFITL:

What about those that have FTTC in the old BellSouth territory. It wouldn't take much to upgrade us. Would they really cut us too?

Actually, yes. They would. Upgrading the curbside boxes isn't trivial. Nobody builds replacement cards, so they must either extend the fiber to the premises, and install ONTs, a la FiOS (but AT&T has not, historically, overbuilt existing plant with fiber anywhere), or pull the fiber back to the VRADs and upgrade the copper plant. Neither is cheap, and they'd rather not expend capital for either.

More power to AT&T if they do cut us. I can guarantee they lose many customers like myself on the wireless side too if they decide to cut my wired internet.
TBBroadband

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Actually not true. AT&T under Ed, back under SBC during Project Lightspeed did rebuild and replace copper with Fiber Optic direct to the homes. It was done in the Ameritech region and one areas is Carlton Michigan which is in Monroe County. Other areas have the same in Wisconsin. The copper also was removed and its direct FTTH some areas are complete FTTH some are mixed. but was rebuilt.

NormanS
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Re: FTTC

That is news, to me. Everything I read about SBC Project Lightspeed said that FTTH was only in "greenfield" communities, and everything else was FTTN. I was given a couple of examples from Pacific Telesis and Southwestern Bell.
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TBBroadband

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Re: FTTC

the SBC region PacBell, SNET and BS were treated differently. Ameritech was the only region that seen this. It was to combat munis and it worked. The only downside is the FTTH network has the same speeds as the VDSL network. The FTHH network was/is designed with 2Wire/Pace products. Even the ONTs and the gateway/router. Depending on if you have IP-DSL or U-Verse VDSL depends on if you get the 2Wire or a Mot.

mikedz4

join:2003-04-14
Weirton, WV

what about eastern ohio

Does this leave the people in eastern ohio without u-verse.
Skipig

join:2011-11-22
Parker, CO

Just seize them

Why doesn't the administration just seize them (and all the other network providers as well)? Give Internet connectivity and television away free. What use do they serve? The governement can run the network, control the content (especially Fox), employ a whole bunch more people (because we wouldn't have to worry about efficiency), eliminate the profit motive and take Wall Street out of the equation.

SlowFITL

join:2012-02-01
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Re: Just seize them

said by Skipig:

Why doesn't the administration just seize them (and all the other network providers as well)? Give Internet connectivity and television away free. What use do they serve? The governement can run the network, control the content (especially Fox), employ a whole bunch more people (because we wouldn't have to worry about efficiency), eliminate the profit motive and take Wall Street out of the equation.

Sounds like a great plan to me. Let's start a petition on the white house website. We could call it Obama Connect. LOL

I'm kidding of course!

battleop

join:2005-09-28
00000
Oh and you can name the new network stalin.net?
delltechkid

join:2004-11-09
Hermitage, TN
You only think this is funny because where you live you have more than one option for internet. In rural areas, what AT&T is planning to do is terrible. Let's hope a private provider can step in without AT&T suing or helping to regulate them out of business.

AT&T hates regulations, unless it's state laws that prevent competition.

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Re: Just seize them

said by delltechkid:

You only think this is funny because where you live you have more than one option for internet. In rural areas, what AT&T is planning to do is terrible...

In my small cities, cable is the only best broadband service available. I can't get DSL and FIOS. Slow and limited satellite and dial-up exist, but why?

dnoyeB
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Indeed. And its all possible because of the FCC and Michael Powell. When they let the Telcos get away with raping all the upstart DSL providers and killed the second hand DSL...
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delusion ftl

@comcast.net
This MUST be a joke. I cannot fathom this comment being anything more than a piece of sarcasm.

If it is not then the intelligence of the electorate is doomed.

hyphenated

@bellsouth.net

What?!

.....Who forgot got the popcorn!?!

hyphenated

@mycingular.net

Sad

Yeh it's kind a sad but still not as good as prime time.

battleop

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Intended side effect of this...

I am sure an intended side effect to this is that AT&T (Verizon is following to) is using this move to eliminate any of the remaining ISPs that buy DSL aggregation from AT&T.

A now retired AT&T executive told me about a 1-2 years ago that AT&T believes that if they were to find a way to end the existing contracts that 99% of those users would just switch to AT&T even if they had access to other services like Cable and Muni Fiber.
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canestim

join:2012-01-20

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Finacials vs. some guy talking

What I don't understand is where did the 30 million homes come from? I see the 24.5 to 33 in the press release. I tried looking back.

Was it this guy/transcript for the earnings call?

»AT&T: The U-Verse Build is Over

Where was it in the financial reports? I was just confused because the press release said TV, Internet, and Phone but I know sometimes the numbers get confused because AT&T also calls certain Phone/Internet DSL tech as U-verse too.

anydaynow

@comcast.net

Re: Finacials vs. some guy talking

Mr B. is full of _ _. In the 1st quarter release ATT reported 16.8% take rate for U-verse and 4 million customers that would be 23,810,000 homes passed. In the third quarter it was 17.8% and 4.3 million customers about 24,155,000 HP. Att said the build out would END AT 30 MILLION now that # will be 33million. Soooooo
around 8.5 million more. BIG DEAL.
WhatNow
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Smoke and Mirrors

From what I hear from friends they could hit the 3 million extra customers by just finishing the work on half completed vrads when the Uverse build was halted a year ago. From what they say there is very little real support for Uverse and even less for DSL. They will not even move a 3meg account from DSL to Uverse if they are too far away to get the TV service. The SBC management sounds like they are a joke when it comes to executing any of their plans over the long term.

NormanS
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Re: Smoke and Mirrors

said by WhatNow:

They will not even move a 3meg account from DSL to Uverse if they are too far away to get the TV service.

That is contradicted by reports of forced migration to "U-verse Internet" in the AT&T forums here at DSLR. Unless some government agency has it written in stone that, "If it isn't IPTV, it isn't U-verse".
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countscabula

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Skipig

join:2011-11-22
Parker, CO

Seize them

Yes, my comment was facetious.
BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH

It's pair bonding

I doubt they would totally lie if they could be held legally responsible, so my guess is they played some games with areas that didn't have the software switch for pair bonding thrown yet. They also still have a lot of crossboxes that they upgraded for U-Verse that don't have U-Verse equipment on yet.

I seriously doubt that they would actually cut DSL users off. Maybe not upgrade them, but if you're not going to put the money in, why stop collecting the subscription fees? No capital investment + constant revenue = lots of profit.

However, AT&T really needs to get with the program. If they keep doing this, they won't have a landline business left to speak of. It's already a mess. Unfortunately, the shareholders can't seem to look past the current quarter. If they could look long-term, they would be demanding that AT&T install GPON FTTH over their entire footprint.

Also, they are not at a total standstill. They doubled their available speed available at my house from 1.5mbps to 3mbps... LOL. Must have installed an IP-DSLAM. Definitely sticking with Comcast.

tigerpaw509

join:2011-01-19

Houses or cable pairs.

I bet the 30 million they speak of is cable pairs not homes.
When they place a vrad next to a xbox that servers 300 homes but
has 900 cables pairs which do they count.Dollars to donuts its the later.

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decifal

join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN
kudos:1

Break

Wish this company would release the landlines they do not want and sell it already.. Stop asking soo much for something you deemed unprofitable and get rid of it already so maybe the rest of us might one day see real options in the area...