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| Postpaid user here Too bad I couldn't double my data. I am on the 4GB plan which is split between an iPhone, iPad 3, iPad mini, a Jetpack, and two dumb phones. I use about 1-2 GB per month.
I am looking forward to the iPhone 5. Maybe Christmas will come early as my upgrade is less than a week away. | |
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Text messages? They've done a clever end run around iMessage too by making all share plans include unlimited text messages. Of course with iMessage you're using your data allotment instead of your free texts. | |
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| Re: Postpaid user here The unlimited voice/text is essentially a giveaway with the new plans. The per-device cost exists primarily to recover the device subsidy, hence why tablets cost next to nothing, while smartphones are $40/mo. The data packages are the true revenue source with the new plans.
The real crime here is that you can't BYOD and pay a reduced per-device cost. I believe that T-Mobile has slightly cheaper plans for BYOD users, but none of the other carriers have ever shown an inclination to follow in their footsteps. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: Postpaid user here said by Crookshanks:The unlimited voice/text is essentially a giveaway with the new plans. The per-device cost exists primarily to recover the device subsidy, hence why tablets cost next to nothing, while smartphones are $40/mo. The data packages are the true revenue source with the new plans.
The real crime here is that you can't BYOD and pay a reduced per-device cost. I believe that T-Mobile has slightly cheaper plans for BYOD users, but none of the other carriers have ever shown an inclination to follow in their footsteps.
What do you mean BYOD? what device would you use besides one that actually works on Verizon's network? And T-Mobile's coverage sucks dick. | |
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| Re: Postpaid user here said by BF69:What do you mean BYOD? what device would you use besides one that actually works on Verizon's network?
I guess you've never considered the option of buying a lightly used phone at a quarter of the price off eBay? Or an old phone from a friend? Or (*gasp*) paying retail for one? There are lots of ways to get a Verizon phone without purchasing it with a 2yr contract through big red. I've gone 5+ years without renewing my contract at times.
said by BF69:And T-Mobile's coverage sucks dick. T-Mobile is a perfectly viable option for many people, no reason to bash them because they aren't good for you. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | For those of us in medium sized or larger cities, T-Mobile is at times faster than Verizon LTE.
That said, I'm using Sprint because they offer LTE where T-Mobile offers GPRS, an hour and forty from here. | |
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| | | | | | said by BF69:What do you mean BYOD? what device would you use besides one that actually works on Verizon's network? And T-Mobile's coverage sucks dick.
A used phone. | |
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Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | said by Crookshanks:The real crime here is that you can't BYOD and pay a reduced per-device cost. I believe that T-Mobile has slightly cheaper plans for BYOD users, but none of the other carriers have ever shown an inclination to follow in their footsteps.
The new buyer of Sprint has plans to shake up the cellphone plans to force AT&T & Verizon to compete. If he follows thru, maybe customers will get a break.
»Sprint's new buyer wants to stick it to AT&T & Verizon
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Camden, TN | said by fifty nine:What pissed me off the most about the new share plans is the fact that I have no means whatsoever to opt out of voice minutes, or pay for a reduced amount. I use nowhere near "unlimited" voice minutes. I hate talking on the phone and use maybe 30 minutes a month at most.
Text messages? They've done a clever end run around iMessage too by making all share plans include unlimited text messages. Of course with iMessage you're using your data allotment instead of your free texts.
They give everyone unlimited minutes/text so everyone is on the same plan. Besides the future is making everything data anyways since it is actually all data. In 10 yeas you won't have "minutes", texting" and "data" it will just all be data. So you might as well get used to it. | |
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| | | | | Re: Postpaid user here said by BF69:They give everyone unlimited minutes/text so everyone is on the same plan. Besides the future is making everything data anyways since it is actually all data. In 10 yeas you won't have "minutes", texting" and "data" it will just all be data. So you might as well get used to it.
They give everyone unlimited minutes/text so that they can bump up the price without actually increasing the price.
It's $70 for 4GB of data and unlimited minutes and text.
It's not "all data" now. The voice and text are carried independent of the data stream.
Who cares about 10 years from now. Today I don't want to pay for voice service that I don't really use. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: Postpaid user here said by fifty nine:said by BF69:They give everyone unlimited minutes/text so everyone is on the same plan. Besides the future is making everything data anyways since it is actually all data. In 10 yeas you won't have "minutes", texting" and "data" it will just all be data. So you might as well get used to it.
They give everyone unlimited minutes/text so that they can bump up the price without actually increasing the price. It's $70 for 4GB of data and unlimited minutes and text. It's not "all data" now. The voice and text are carried independent of the data stream. I didn't say it was. But Verizon will start offering VoLTE a year from now. What say you then?
Who cares about 10 years from now. Today I don't want to pay for voice service that I don't really use. | |
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Billings, MT | Still not a good deal.. Especially with Straight Talk's $45/mo unlimited plan, which already includes 2GB of Data.
at&t and VZ really need to get with the times. | |
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| | | Re: Still not a good deal.. Net10 is offering a similar plan as their sister company. Pretty soon all TracFone companies most likely will- especially since they already have a business side of the company. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
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| Re: Still not a good deal.. Nah; normal Tracfone is a standard pay-per-minute prepaid offering, with lower-end phones. You can get similar phones on Net10 or Straight Talk with the unlimited plan if you want, but they key differentiator between TF and Net10 is that you can get smartphones on Net10 and Straight Talk (unlimited plans only), whereas that doesn't happen on TF. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Still not a good deal.. You're right; Tracfone customer service is poor. However you can do most things online. And is it worth $45 per month to get good customer service from your wireless carrier? | |
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Camden, TN | said by Simba7:Especially with Straight Talk's $45/mo unlimited plan, which already includes 2GB of Data.
at&t and VZ really need to get with the times.
Well let's see Straight Talk uses At&t, Verizon's and Sprint's networks and have ZERO infrastructure costs. Gee I wonder why they can offer unlimited everything or $45 a month? | |
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| | | | Re: Still not a good deal.. said by BF69:Well let's see Straight Talk uses At&t, Verizon's and Sprint's networks and have ZERO infrastructure costs. Gee I wonder why they can offer unlimited everything or $45 a month?
Unless you believe those providers are selling room on their networks at a loss, which seems unlikely, the MVNOs are paying for those infrastructure costs in what they pay those providers for space on their networks.
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Camden, TN | Re: Still not a good deal.. said by jseymour:said by BF69:Well let's see Straight Talk uses At&t, Verizon's and Sprint's networks and have ZERO infrastructure costs. Gee I wonder why they can offer unlimited everything or $45 a month?
Unless you believe those providers are selling room on their networks at a loss, which seems unlikely, the MVNOs are paying for those infrastructure costs in what they pay those providers for space on their networks. Jim Yes space which SHOULD be used for THEIR own customers. I wonder if at&t and Verizon could still offer unlimited or at least higher caps if they weren't FORCED to sell precious space and use precious spectrum on these companies. Which then turn around and get customers by telling you how much more expensive at&t and Verizon are. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | You forgot T-Mobile.
Also, they have smaller (but still existent) infrastructure costs...and they pay the big carriers per minute/text/megabyte wholesale. So it isn't like they're getting a free ride. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: Still not a good deal.. said by iansltx:You forgot T-Mobile.
Also, they have smaller (but still existent) infrastructure costs...and they pay the big carriers per minute/text/megabyte wholesale. So it isn't like they're getting a free ride.
The cost accompany like Straight Talks pays to use the major carriers pipes is FAR cheaper than if they had to build out their own network. FACT. And if they had to build out their own network they would NOT being offering unlimited everything for $45 a month. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
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| Re: Still not a good deal.. ...and if the major carriers that Straight Talk wholesales from had a problem with that, they wouldn't be reselling their service to ST cheaply enough for ST to make a profit.
Also, Page Plus Cellular resells VZW's network for $55 per month for unlimited everything except data (2GB). No 4G though. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: Still not a good deal.. said by iansltx:...and if the major carriers that Straight Talk wholesales from had a problem with that, they wouldn't be reselling their service to ST cheaply enough for ST to make a profit. Carriers are forced to sell to companies like Straight Talk and they are limited in the amount they can charge. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Still not a good deal.. What forces them to do this? Federal regulation? What's the regulation? | |
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So did Verizon double their capacity over the weekend and I missed it? | |
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| | | Re: Say it isnt so! Ha, like this pricing was ever about network congestion.
It's price gouging for a market with insatiable demand and limited competition. | |
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Camden, TN | said by Skippy25:How are they possibly going to handle double the data on such a full and fragile network?
So did Verizon double their capacity over the weekend and I missed it?
You do realize their smartphone plans are strictly 3G. And as they expand their 4G network and as more people buy 4G devices there are fewer people using 3G thus bandwidth is freed up. But I'm sure you knew this and took the time to actually educate yourself on the technical details of cellular technology. | |
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Cortland, NY | Re: Say it isnt so! Where I live you'd be hard pressed to get 1Gb a month on 3G. Verizon so overloaded I get .01 mbit/sec on 3G. Get 12 mbit on LTE though. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Say it isnt so! Depends on your area. I've seen plenty of places where VZW can hit 2 Mbps over 3G. The number of places where that's possible are shrinking, but there are still some out there. | |
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Camden, TN | said by bn1221:Where I live you'd be hard pressed to get 1Gb a month on 3G. Verizon so overloaded I get .01 mbit/sec on 3G. Get 12 mbit on LTE though.
Maybe because most people in your area might still have 3G phones. Also many probably still have unlimited data. | |
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Cortland, NY | Re: Say it isnt so! Or one tower with only 3*T1 backauls and a university might have something to do with it. | |
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San Francisco, CA | New Smartphones only? Anyone know if this promo is available to new subscribers who bring their own hardware? i.e. not purchase a new smartphone from Verizon? I have a used CDMA iPhone 4 I'd like to active.
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Camden, TN | Re: New Smartphones only? said by ChadSch:Anyone know if this promo is available to new subscribers who bring their own hardware? i.e. not purchase a new smartphone from Verizon? I have a used CDMA iPhone 4 I'd like to active.
Thanks!
They have 3 smartphones available for this if you have one of these 3 phones you can use it. | |
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Golden, CO
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| Re: Verizon is OVERPRICED You're missing one important piece of the equation: if you want to use a smartphone on Verizon's LTE network (the largest LLTE network in the US by far at this point) you have exactly one option: VZW postpaid.
If you can put up with lower coverage for LTE (everyone), lower data speeds for LTE (MetroPCS or CricKet) or lower upload speeds for 4G (T-Mobile), a spotty non-LTE 4G network (Boost/Virgin 4G) or no LTE/WiMAX at all (Straight Talk), they are indeed cheaper. You can get unlimited everything-except-data and 5GB of that, plus tethering, for $60 per month on CricKet, but their LTE footprint is limited at this point and I'm seeing peak speeds of 6 or 7 Mbps with full signal, days after the network launched. Performance will likely go down from there for several months until CricKet can refarm CDMA to boost its LTE bandwidth.
Verizon has the premium network and they know it. So they charge a metric ton for folks to use it. | |
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| | | | Re: Verizon is OVERPRICED I totally agree with this. Verizon has the best LTE coverage by far and to those that want cheaper plans and/or spotty coverage can make their own decision. | |
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Camden, TN | said by genzoulv:There's many other choices for prepaid besides them. $80/mo is ridiculous (that's what you're paying when you're STUCK IN A CONTRACT). So many other carriers are offering better deals..straight talk, t-mobile, virgin, metro pcs, boost, etc. Most of which if any don't have any infrastructure. Kind of easier to offer cheaper service if you don't have to spend any money on towers or a network or maintenance etc etc | |
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Camden, TN | said by genzoulv:There's many other choices for prepaid besides them. $80/mo is ridiculous (that's what you're paying when you're STUCK IN A CONTRACT). Actually to have unlimited minutes/texting and 2 GB of data with a contract it's $100 a month with Verizon. You can however use a 4G device and access the 4G network and you can use hotspot. | |
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Londonderry, NH | Still too expensive... I just took a Nexus 4 to T-Mobile's pre-paid. For $30/month I get 100 minutes, unlimited text and unlimited data (first 5 GB @ 4G). I use GrooVe IP for any calls, and am quite happy with it.
T-Mobile's coverage is spotty in some areas. If you go into the very rural areas, you might not have 4G/3G coverage, but where that's lacking I usually have wifi so it isn't much of an issue. My work phone is with VZW, so I'm all set for any emergency calls.
T-Mobile pre-paid isn't for everyone, and if you need coverage everywhere, you're probably off paying VWZ's premium price, but I'm with T-Mobile now and don't see myself looking back. | |
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