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CrazinessI live in West Virginia and this stuff does appall me. Shentel who is a fairly large provider here seems to be having no problem rolling out broadband to rural areas like Lewis County. In fact they offer speeds 5x faster than Frontier.
Frontier is simply a joke no matter how you look at it. They are not serving West Virginians interests and why is a guy in Colorado managing broadband rollout in West Virginia? There needs to be some accountability here and someone needs to be held responsible for this craziness. | |
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FFH5 Premium Member join:2002-03-03 Tavistock NJ
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FFH5
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2012-Nov-26 12:45 pm
Broadband Stimulus plan was political payolaThe Broadband Stimulus plan really had only 1 purpose - flood the country with money to help juice the economy. It never was about actually improving anything. Most of that money was also funneled to politically connected people as payoffs for political contributions. Though I must admit that the West Virginia situation is one of the most blatant examples. | |
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Re: Broadband Stimulus plan was political payolaWho are the "politically connected...as payoffs for political contributions" in WVA. Are there many 1%'ers there, especially democratic ones? | |
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FFH5
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2012-Nov-26 6:37 pm
Re: Broadband Stimulus plan was political payolasaid by john_fla:Who are the "politically connected...as payoffs for political contributions" in WVA. Are there many 1%'ers there, especially democratic ones? You mean besides Verizon ? How about Jay Rockefeller & Joe Manchin. | |
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Kommie2 (banned) join:2003-05-13 united state |
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2012-Nov-26 1:17 pm
When Private meets PublicThis is what happens when the state outsources to a private company/enterprise. If they kept it public they could of paid someone 60k to do the same job in WV. | |
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n2jtx
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2012-Nov-26 1:23 pm
Re: When Private meets Publicsaid by Kommie2:This is what happens when the state outsources to a private company/enterprise. If they kept it public they could of paid someone 60k to do the same job in WV. Maybe public in WV but if you tried it in New York, it would be more like $200K base plus overtime, kickbacks (NYC), fully paid benefits and a heavily loaded public pension. The fact is anything involving the government whether done with "public" employees or "private" employees, will involve the taxpayers getting screwed for enormous amounts of money with nothing to show for it. | |
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Re: When Private meets PublicHell, at $200k it is still a savings over what we got from letting Verizon give it to someone! Contrary to your statement, there are actually several community broadband projects running successfully with plenty to show for it. | |
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2012-Nov-26 4:24 pm
Re: When Private meets Publicsaid by CXM_Splicer:Hell, at $200k it is still a savings over what we got from letting Verizon give it to someone! How do you figure? The way pensions are doled out here, we would keep paying that person until they and their family were all deceased. Any initial savings would be more than offset by future payments to the pension system. | |
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Re: When Private meets PublicSo then why have the pension systems worked fine up until the point where tax revenues took a hit? | |
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Re: When Private meets Publicsaid by CXM_Splicer:So then why have the pension systems worked fine up until the point where tax revenues took a hit? That's just their nature. All Ponzi schemes work fine for a while. | |
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Re: When Private meets Publicsaid by PaulHikeS2: That's just their nature. All Ponzi schemes work fine for a while. Yes, as Wall St. Is finding out. For pensions to be a Ponzi scheme, the new employees would be paying the pensions of the retirees and would require a constantly increasing number of workers... that doesn't happen. The company (or government) pays the pensions as part of the retirees' salary which has been deferred and numbers of workers (in general and federally) is going down, not up. | |
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Looks like WVA is geting screwed regardless of the public/private signature! | |
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Re: When Private meets Publichahah were always getting screwed lol | |
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$512kSo.. $512k to do WHAT exactly... ?
Prevent competitors from deploying their own services with fiber optics & coax which will be better than rusting copper?
If WV ever needed a reason to get rid of Verizon's state-wide franchise, this would probably make the top of the list.. | |
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Re: $512kVerizon doesn't have any more though. They may be a CLEC as some ILECs are but that's it. They don't own anything so they're pretty much in the clear as far as the state trying to take their network; which by the way would NOT go over very well and WV would be in more trouble than this. | |
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Dolgan
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2012-Nov-26 7:09 pm
Re: $512kquote: They don't own anything so they're pretty much in the clear as far as the state trying to take their network;
Verizon Business retained all of the backhauls that run thru the areas Frontier took over. You are incorrect about Verizon not having a "network" in WV. | |
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2012-Nov-27 9:28 am
Re: $512kThe most common definition for rust is iron oxide, but can also mean corrosion on other metals other than iron. As a verb, it can also mean to degenerate with the passage of time with no mention specifically to iron. As an adjective, it can mean inept and slow through lack of practice or old age. All 3 of those alternate definitions could apply to "rusting copper" although oxidizing, corroding, or more generically deteriorating copper probably would have been better. | |
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Re: $512ksaid by cdru:The most common definition for rust is iron oxide, but can also mean corrosion on other metals other than iron. As a verb, it can also mean to degenerate with the passage of time with no mention specifically to iron. As an adjective, it can mean inept and slow through lack of practice or old age. All 3 of those alternate definitions could apply to "rusting copper" although oxidizing, corroding, or more generically deteriorating copper probably would have been better. They don't generally call those dried up manufacturing states and mining states the "RUST BELT" for nothing.. incumbent industries "SUCK" all the lifeblood out of a geography until it's stone dry and then leave with all the profits... As long as gullible customers think that's okay and keep paying monthly fees to Verizon and do nothing about it.. while elsewhere touting the alleged fastest broadband in the country (erroneously) is the A list of hypocrisy | |
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2012-Nov-28 8:44 am
Re: $512ksaid by tmc8080:As long as gullible customers think that's okay and keep paying monthly fees to Verizon and do nothing about it. In this case, the hourly rate was $200-250 per hour. For consulting/project management fees, that's pretty reasonable and expected based on outsourced software development projects I've seen the contracts for. I'm not saying that Verizon isn't profiting big time, or that the contractors didn't have more billable hours than it should have taken. But both Verizon and the contractors are in the business to make money. And WV came to them. It ultimately is in WV control and if they can't run the project overall costs, that's the state's problem. | |
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2012-Nov-26 9:13 pm
patheticThis article comes off as hopelessly naive.
First off they keep using quoted term like "project manager" and "network engineer" like those jobs don't exist and some scam is being pulled. Let me enlighten you they are real and a 1000 routers don't just install themselves. Everyone of those sites needs a site survey, possible power and rack work, receiving contacts, install planning, turn up testing and coordination.
This is a hell of a lot of work. It needs a high power PM if it going to get done - as much as the crime beat reporter would like to opine about tech matters. This is in no way a 60K civil servant. Its a 150-200K person and fully burdened that a 250K position. Every year. Hiring a contractor who can start immediately probablly saves the state money verses creating a full time position for this.
And the $22K routers? That was the whole point of the Stimulous program. Shovel money out the door as fast as possible. Yeah the state has a 1000 routers in storage because they were bought years before the sites were ready. That's not Vz's fault - its exactly the way the Porkulous program was designed. | |
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Re: patheticAgreed, I'm an IT PM at a large company. This is not an easy task, takes a long time, and a high caliber plan. WV needed to use the budget whether they were ready to install or not. | |
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WowChrist, makes me real proud to have a job and get 30% of it Stolen from me every pay check by the shitheads who run our country! I'll pay something for roads I drive on and things REAL like that but this really pisses everyone off who makes a effort to get and hold a job in this crap economy. May as well go back to school and apply for food stamps! And don't even get me started on using our men and women as the International Police. I call if National Offensive because it certainly goes WAY over defense. "Why is the no money for schools but there is ALLWAYS money for war?" | |
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Re: WowBecause War is and always has been the biggest racket around. | |
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EGeezer
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2012-Nov-27 9:16 pm
QualificationsIf Rios's LinkedIn profile is any indication, his qualifications are less than superlative... | |
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