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Comments on news posted 2012-11-28 17:28:13: Cablevision is threatening to sue union workers who are helping customers impacted by Sandy get refunds. ..

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tmc8080
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spoiler?

So is big RED behind this ? (Verizon?)

I wouldn't be surprised if the only big landline telco in the area is trying to raise the costs for cablecos so that will justify higher rates especially in NY metro.

AFAIK, cablevision labor is 100% non-union.

Pirate515
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said by tmc8080:

AFAIK, Cablevision labor is 100% non-union.

I've read it somewhere a while ago that their field techs at some locations joined a union. They represent a relative minority though, most of CV is non-union.

No_Unions
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cablevision doesn't want to deal with unions. Just look what unions did to the twinkie!
TBBroadband
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and when ConAgra gets ahold of the company the unions will be put out as they REFUSE to deal with them. ConAgra has already said they'd reopen many of the plants and all new employees would be NON-Union.

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.... Just look what unions did to the twinkie!

Corporate got them back by spending all their union employees self-funded pension. Executives had mostly deferred comp, which will be paid.
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And according to court docs, this would have never happened if the one union would have agreed to a pay cut, which was NOT even that much and they would have gotten it back! So instead, they decided to make their "brothers and sisters" lose their jobs too. Way to go there ey?

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And according to everything else, during the years since Hostess went bankrupt the first time, the top executives had been giving themselves raises while doing a poor job managing the company.

You can't solely blame the union for this. Especially since the company was already $900 million in debt, the union certainly didn't cause all of that.

But go on being a shill for the top executives who couldn't run the company properly.

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said by No_Unions :

cablevision doesn't want to deal with unions. Just look what unions did to the twinkie!

Yes, those nasty unions forced the company to raise the executives salary by millions of dollars.
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Robo calls are never acceptable... ever

All robocalls should be stopped.

miataman
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And according to court docs, this would have never happened if the one union would have agreed to

another, in a series of
said by TBBroadband:

pay cuts, which was NOT even that much and they would have gotten it back! So instead, they decided to make their "brothers and sisters" lose their jobs too. Way to go there ey?

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Yes, those nasty unions forced the company to raise the executives salary by millions of dollars.

And of course you don't see stories about that scenario EVER!

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Re: Robo calls are never acceptable... ever

I'll gladly take a robo call if I can get a refund through legit means.

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Brooklyn only

said by tmc8080:

So is big RED behind this ? (Verizon?)

I wouldn't be surprised if the only big landline telco in the area is trying to raise the costs for cablecos so that will justify higher rates especially in NY metro.

AFAIK, cablevision labor is 100% non-union.

brooklyn is union. bronx had a vote but majority voted against union representation.

everyone else leave hostess out of this thread please. one has nothing to do with the other.

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Unions may be corrupt...

But executives would rather pay you pennies and pay themselves billions. Try and remember that.

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All robocalls should be stopped.

Not only stopped, but against the law, period!!
Bob4
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Cablevision should be doing this

Or at least have a note on the bill that people can request a credit.
moonpuppy (banned)
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everyone else leave hostess out of this thread please. one has nothing to do with the other.

Actually, it does when it comes to how unions play "dirty" and then cry foul when the same tactics are used against them.

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said by moonpuppy:

said by twinkie :

everyone else leave hostess out of this thread please. one has nothing to do with the other.

Actually, it does when it comes to how unions play "dirty" and then cry foul when the same tactics are used against them.

union sometimes play dirty. non-union ALWAYS play dirty!
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Of course, these organizations in Middle-American states know that there are enough people shopping at Walmart and living in poverty there, that they will accept minimum wage. Having everyone on Minimum wage is the Utopia of the (R) party. Class mobility for anyone on these wages is a pipe-dream (a farce) and those at the top that pull the strings of the GOP know it.

I will never understand how anyone who works for someone else, as in over 91% of Americans, would cheer this on as being a 'good thing'. Moreover, not want any actual perks or even just a livable wage for the billions they generate these businesses; hence Obama's point about you didn't build.

Heck, even China has 2 weeks mandated vacation. Not here, we're Americans ya'll and we don't want some stinking 21st century 4 weeks vacation time, like the rest of the developed world.
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And according to court docs, this would have never happened if the one union would have agreed to a pay cut, which was NOT even that much and they would have gotten it back! So instead, they decided to make their "brothers and sisters" lose their jobs too. Way to go there ey?

When and where does it end? Next year, it will be more cuts and then more cuts. Before you know it, every American is working walmart wages.

All while, straight from Huff Post: "Hostess Executive Bonuses: Twinkie-Maker To Seek Approval For $1.8 Million In Bonuses During Liquidation"
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said by No_Unions :

cablevision doesn't want to deal with unions. Just look what unions did to the twinkie!

Yes, those nasty unions forced the company to raise the executives salary by millions of dollars.

Not only that. Unions apparently also decided to replace raw ingredients with the cancer causing / diabetes inducing chemicals that now go into this crap.
Terabit

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Re: Unions may be corrupt...

Yep. look at walmart. The waltons amass billions and earn millions in dividends every year - for doing absolutely nothing. All while tens of Thousands of workers, who actually generate the profit, rely on food-stamps, ironically paid for by our government.

Good luck trying to get even 1 republican to admit (accept) what is wrong with this picture. They will just claim it's a liberal lie or that this is why food stamps need to go.

It's this lack of deductive reasoning and ignorant attitude that has destroyed middle-America. Where the Waltons apparently deserve and are entitled to it all; while the worker should just suck it up.

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yea it was the "greedy" unions that wanted Hostess to modernize and not the company that saddled it with unsustainable debt in the liquidation process. Yea damn those tactics
moonpuppy (banned)
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union ALWAYS play dirty. non-union ALWAYS play dirty!

Fix it for you.
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yea it was the "greedy" unions that wanted Hostess to modernize and not the company that saddled it with unsustainable debt in the liquidation process. Yea damn those tactics

It was the Teamsters and every other union came to an agreement and one union that didn't want to play ball. So instead of a pay cut, they get a pink slip and a guarantee that the union will not be welcome IF someone takes over and starts the company back up again.

Also, when you "modernize" you usually have less people doing jobs that become more automated and unions hate that.

Try again.
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When and where does it end? Next year, it will be more cuts and then more cuts. Before you know it, every American is working walmart wages.

And when that happens, the economy will collapse again. No discretionary income means no profits for anyone other than those selling basics and even those will dry up too.

Unions have always bled companies dry and when they go under, they blame everyone but themselves. They keep killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.

miataman
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Heck, even China has 2 weeks mandated vacation. Not here, we're Americans ya'll and we don't want some stinking 21st century 4 weeks vacation time, like the rest of the developed world.

To be fair, (and I agree with just about everything esle you say [IBEW] ) I'm not about to be sending my resume to Beijing anytime soon!!
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They have? Then why are so many international organizations that are highly unionized so profitable. Surely they should all have gone bankrupt, as per the GOP dogma. It certainly wasn't unions that made Baltimore for example look like it does today - a dilapidated crime-ridden poverty stricken small city.

On one hand you have this crony capitalism GOP America, which exploits Americans like slaves, to derive profits for the 1%. On the other hand we have the developed world, where minimum wage is close to double our rate, yet their cities literally make Baltimore look like a 3rd world country.

We have let pride and ideology stand in the way of reality, so we are unable to see where our creed stands on the global scale; which is the best comparison of what works and what does not.
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said by Terabit:

They have? Then why are so many international organizations that are highly unionized so profitable. Surely they should all have gone bankrupt, as per the GOP dogma. It certainly wasn't unions that made Baltimore for example look like it does today - a dilapidated small city.

On one hand you have this crony capitalism GOP America, which exploits Americans like slaves, to derive profits for the 1%. On the other hand we have the developed world, where minimum wage is close to double our rate, yet their cities literally make Baltimore look like a 3rd world country.

We have let pride and ideology stand in the way of reality, so we are unable to see where our creed stands on the global scale; which is the best comparison of what works and what does not.

Oh geesh, where to start.

First off, if you want to look at other countries, how about looking at Greece, Spain and Ireland. All facing deep cuts to social programs and the workers are revolting. Why? Because their model was unsustainable. France is even looking at loosing their AAA bond rating. Again, no free money.

Baltimore is a corrupt city period. The educational system is a joke run by a teacher's union that demands more money every year while having one of the worst graduation rates of the state along with an administration that couldn't care less. Violence is rampant. Money is missing and no one knows where it went.

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And let's look at the auto industry. Two out of three had to be bailed out. The unions kept demanding more and more while the Japanese built better cars and did it without unions on our own soil. What happened to Saturn? Oh, that's right, the union and management went back to fighting and now, there is no Saturn. If the unions were so concerned about quality, why didn't they raise a stink about it? Nope, too busy making sure they got raises.

And what about union run pensions that are underfunded? Who do we blame for that? Doesn't matter because tax payers are on the hook for those as well.

Instead of working with people, unions decided to use their muscle to demand more and more until they bled many a company dry. And now, they cry about losing it all.

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Re: Brooklyn only

Didn't need fixing.
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