 tpkatl
join:2009-11-16
Dacula, GA | Creepy. Scary. Ugly. How many more adjectives can I use?
Talk about intrusiveness. Big Brother times five.
How a company could see that this is even remotely desirable (not to mention legal) is beyond me. | |
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 |  TrainBuffThe New Haven RailroadPremium
join:2003-05-01
Buffalo, NY
kudos:4
1 edit | Re: Creepy. Scary. Ugly. I have two words...NO WAY! I value my privacy. | |
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 ·Hargray Cable
| Re: Creepy. Scary. Ugly. said by TrainBuff:I have two words...NO WAY! I value my privacy.
What fun a couple of 300 pounders going at it on the couch while watching a skin flick.......LOL. Condom ads???? | |
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| | | TrainBuffThe New Haven RailroadPremium
join:2003-05-01
Buffalo, NY
kudos:4 | Re: Creepy. Scary. Ugly. said by Corehhi:said by TrainBuff:I have two words...NO WAY! I value my privacy.
What fun a couple of 300 pounders going at it on the couch while watching a skin flick.......LOL. Condom ads???? Or an ad for a new couch. 
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|  tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3
·Comcast
| said by tpkatl:How a company could see that this is even remotely desirable (not to mention legal) is beyond me.
If you agree to it, why not? (not sure why anyone would, but look at all the WAY TOO MUCH INFORMATION stuff posted on facebook/twitter/YouTube/etc)
It's hardly big brother which would imply it was forced on you by the Gov't. | |
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| | | | Re: Creepy. Scary. Ugly. But that is how it begins... by all of us accepting something that we initially think of as trivial and inconsequential. What happens when everyone has willingly accepted these things and they become the status quo, only to have some agency of government realize that they could be used for another purpose? | |
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| |  NormanSPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
kudos:9
 ·SONIC.NET
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| said by tshirt:It's hardly big brother which would imply it was forced on you by the Gov't.
Unless the provider offered the choice of a DVR without the cameras, then it is a forced deal. "Sorry, you have to take the camera model, or no DVR" is a likely Corporate offer.
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| | | tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3 Reviews:
·Comcast
| Re: Creepy. Scary. Ugly. IF that ultimatum happened, I believe MOST people would refuse, the providers DVR profits would suffer greatly ( a lot more than they would gain from targeted ad fees) and they would have a warehouse full of dusty DVR's.
I think more likely would be to get people to take these with the cameras turned off, and then have promos like "free" showtime for 6 months, IF you let us watch you ("gather data" might sound less voyerish )
Or offering xbox-ish kinect type games for free.
People should outright reject this for hacking reasons (both external and the company (or rogue employees  ) "accidently" turning your box on) and the slippery slope this represents, but some will agree without thinking about the long term. | |
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| | | Mr Matt
join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL
kudos:1 | Why does everyone think this technology requires a DVR to function. This snoop-ware can be incorporated in any Set Top Box. | |
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| | | |  Camelot OnePremium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Greenwood, IN
kudos:1 | Re: Creepy. Scary. Ugly. said by Mr Matt:Why does everyone think this technology requires a DVR to function. This snoop-ware can be incorporated in any Set Top Box.
It could be, but it won't. Since Verizon requires a set top box to receive channels, incorporating something like this would be a legal minefield. But if they keep it limited to DVRs, thus a "premium" device, they can get away with it unchallenged.
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| | | | NormanSPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
kudos:9 Reviews:
·SONIC.NET
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| said by Mr Matt:Why does everyone think this technology requires a DVR to function. This snoop-ware can be incorporated in any Set Top Box.
I expect that any Internet connected device with a camera, integrated, or add-on, could be co-opted by a third party. It was with considerable trepidation that I added a web-cam to my desktop. What if the Logitech software phones home and permits some remote operator to access the camera?
Such devices must be fully and unequivocally under the control of the end user.
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join:2007-09-04
Canada
kudos:1 | Re: Creepy. Scary. Ugly. I'm probably a little paranoid, but I physically disconnect my webcam when I'm not using it, and I also turn my microphone off (it's a stage mic with a USB powered pre-amp that I built myself). | |
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·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Creepy. Scary. Ugly. We're already there with our cell phones / tablets/ PC's that already have remote control by big brother at some level (time to run Linux).
I'll just say this - no TV in the bedroom  | |
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| Camelot OnePremium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Greenwood, IN
kudos:1 | said by tpkatl:How many more adjectives can I use?
Talk about intrusiveness. Big Brother times five.
How a company could see that this is even remotely desirable (not to mention legal) is beyond me.
Oh I'm sure you would see a lot of complaining by people who frequent this site. But all Verizon would have to do is waive the DVR rental fee in exchange for "subscribing" to this, and the general public would eat it up. American's have proven time and again that they will happily trade their souls for a discount. | |
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | I would not be shocked that if such DVRs across all carriers became common place that the government would go off and demand warrantless DVR camera tapping to go with their already legal spying of other communications.
Typical consumer will never even care, While the tech savvy will put black electrical tape over the camera.
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| | I like to watch TV naked. Have fun! I see if Direct TV ever did this my camera would be shut off quickly, or, animal control would be called that there is a bear loose in my house. | |
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| Re: I like to watch TV naked. said by CptSpaulding:Have fun! I see if Direct TV ever did this my camera would be shut off quickly, or, animal control would be called that there is a bear loose in my house.
Either that or Animal Planet would be contacted and you would be on an episode of Finding Bigfoot. | |
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| | just put the box in a cabinet just put the box in a cabinet out of the way. | |
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|  LinklistPremium
join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | Re: just put the box in a cabinet said by Joe12345678:just put the box in a cabinet out of the way.
Remote control?? | |
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| | | | Re: just put the box in a cabinet RF Remote. | |
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| | | | RF just like how my directv box is setup. | |
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| | Use Pin Hole Camera and it wouldn't be obvious. All they'd have to do is install a "pin-hole" camera in the front of the receiver, and/or make it like an IR/RF remote control port, and user's would never know anything about it. It would not be obvious at all. CREEPY! | |
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|  Anonymous_AnonymousPremium
join:2004-06-21
127.0.0.1
kudos:2
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Use Pin Hole Camera and it wouldn't be obvious. said by compuguybna:All they'd have to do is install a "pin-hole" camera in the front of the receiver, and/or make it like an IR/RF remote control port, and user's would never know anything about it. It would not be obvious at all. CREEPY!
IR relay would take care of it.
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|  DataDocMy avatar looks like me, if I was 2D.Premium
join:2000-05-14
Greenville, NC | Nothing a piece of electrical tape wouldn't solve. | |
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| | LOL This will never happen lol. Too many privacy issues.
And if it did happen, whats stopping the government from getting a court order to see these records in an event of a crime?
Nope. Too easy to block as well. Piece of black tape could stop the video and audio feed. | |
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| Mr Matt
join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL
kudos:1 Reviews:
·CenturyLink
·Comcast
·Embarq Now Centu..
| Re: LOL Knowing the way these parasites think they will use the camera as the receiver for the remote control so no snoope, remote no workie. Then when the subscriber escalates blocking snooping by placing an opaque material like magic tape over the camera opening the CATV operator will modify the remote receiver to require clear view of remote to operate. Will the CATV operator compensate the subscriber for selling unintended porn created by having a STB in the bedroom. After all the ISP's will sell anything about the subscribers account activity or viewing habits they can profit from whether or not the subscriber approves. The TOS will include a clause allowing the CATV operator to report any illegal activity seen or heard to the appropriate enforcement agency while holding the CATV operator harmless for such reporting.
EDIT: By The Way watch the movie Fahrenheit 451 where you will see a demonstration of a snooping system and a flat screen television. | |
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| | | | Re: LOL said by Mr Matt:Knowing the way these parasites think they will use the camera as the receiver for the remote control so no snoope, remote no workie. Then when the subscriber escalates blocking snooping by placing an opaque material like magic tape over the camera opening the CATV operator will modify the remote receiver to require clear view of remote to operate. Will the CATV operator compensate the subscriber for selling unintended porn created by having a STB in the bedroom. After all the ISP's will sell anything about the subscribers account activity or viewing habits they can profit from whether or not the subscriber approves. The TOS will include a clause allowing the CATV operator to report any illegal activity seen or heard to the appropriate enforcement agency while holding the CATV operator harmless for such reporting.
EDIT: By The Way watch the movie Fahrenheit 451 where you will see a demonstration of a snooping system and a flat screen television.
and will some one at the cable co do time for child porn when the camera get's a shot of a kid in his room?? | |
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| decifal
join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN
kudos:1 Reviews:
 ·Verizon Broadban..
| said by Body Count:This will never happen lol. Too many privacy issues.
And if it did happen, whats stopping the government from getting a court order to see these records in an event of a crime?
Nope. Too easy to block as well. Piece of black tape could stop the video and audio feed.
many many sheep would never think to even be aware to look for it though.. It will be done.. For our protection of course  | |
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| | So What if the DVR sees/hears sex in progress, is it going to deliver parenting class ads, or baby related ads, or abortion ads. What if it thinks the girl is underage, will it call the police? | |
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| me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | Re: So Depends, is the boy under-age too? | |
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| | | What if someone is watching a political debate and states something anti-government. Will there be an FBI raid on their house ? | |
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| Mr Matt
join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL
kudos:1 | Make sure that you do not set off the 69 Alarm! The sex police will check for sodomy and gonorrhea or is it Sodom and Gomorrah? | |
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| | Kinect next... I read MS wants to use the Kinect for more than gaming...
-who is watching in the room
-how many and are they tied to Live accounts
-facial recognition to determine happy, sad, mad or other reaction to viewing
And people will accept it if "free for limited time" or if there is some financial reward (points, $, gifts, rebates...) just like Nielson uses for their pager-thing.
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 morboComplete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
00000 | The scariest technology I have heard of in a long time This is simply the most frightening technology I have heard of in a long time. This will put cameras and microphones in your house so that your every action can be examined in order to sell products and services to you. | |
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| LinklistPremium
join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | Re: The scariest technology I have heard of in a long time said by morbo:This is simply the most frightening technology I have heard of in a long time. This will put cameras and microphones in your house so that your every action can be examined in order to sell products and services to you.
Will never happen w/o opt-out capability built in to the system. And of course there is always the electrical tape option for the camera.
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|  Dude111An Awesome DudePremium
join:2003-08-04
USA
kudos:11 | Yes its complete BS and no one should accept this garbage!! | |
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| | And Yet..... ......we pay $20+ a month for these things?
If there was ever a time to start building your own, here it is. | |
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 DominokatHiPremium
join:2002-08-06
Boothbay, ME
kudos:2 | Tape
I think this is very creepy of any company or business to do. It goes well beyond the right of privacy inside ones home.
But if this ever came to pass. A piece of black tape to cover up the camera and microphone.
*Solved | |
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|  banditws6Shrinking Time and DistancePremium
join:2001-08-18
Frisco, TX | Agreed, but better yet... ...Cancel your service from these hosers. Problem really solved. | |
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| | what what was my wife doing thanks verizon | |
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 jjoshuaPremium
join:2001-06-01
Scotch Plains, NJ
kudos:3 | Calm down... It's just a patent. | |
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|  antdudeA Ninja AntPremium,VIP
join:2001-03-25
United State
kudos:4 | Re: Calm down... For now... | |
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|  telcodad
join:2011-09-16
Lincroft, NJ
kudos:2 | said by jjoshua:It's just a patent.
That is basically Verizon's response:
Verizon faces media storm from targeted advertising patent
By Steve Donohue, FierceCable - December 7, 2012
»www.fiercecable.com/story/verizo···12-12-07
Verizon posted this statement Wednesday on its policy blog. "There's been some discussion today about a highly speculative news report from this morning, that no doubt is giving drive-time talk radio--not to mention tech blogs--something to discuss," wrote Libby Jacobson, the company's director of digital policy communications. "Verizon is a company that prizes innovation, and we take pride in the many innovators whose work is represented in our patents and patent applications. That said, we don't comment on pending patent applications; it's all interesting, but as most folks know, a patent application is very different from a product or service or device actually coming to market any time soon," she added. | |
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| | | But it brings up the question(s): What makes them think they have the right to "target" us in the first place? Isn't paying for their service(s) "enough"? (It's not like we get it/them at bargain prices.) | |
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| | Early april fools joke? i can only hope that no one seriously thinks this would ever be allowed... or will it? | |
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·Optimum Online
| Simple solution to a big problem Cut the cord, don't get cable TV at all.
Now if that's not an option, there's always CableCARD and your own cable TV-enabled computers that will work with CableCARD.
Not only are you avoiding monthly rental fees, but you're also doing away with this stupid, intrusive snooping. | |
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| | Tv Card This is the reason why you should purchase a TV card and a TIVO. | |
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|  AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium
join:2003-02-06
Onion, NJ
kudos:1 | Re: Tv Card so TiVo can license the patent and sell what you are doing. | |
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join:2005-03-15
Malverne, NY | Verizon DVR Would Study Your Behavior.... I'm still waiting for someone to say....."April Fool's !!!!"
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| antdudeA Ninja AntPremium,VIP
join:2001-03-25
United State
kudos:4 Reviews:
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Verizon DVR Would Study Your Behavior.... said by incognito_2u:I'm still waiting for someone to say....."April Fool's !!!!"
We wish! | |
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 loliPremium
join:2002-08-26
South Richmond Hill, NY | I wonder... What kind of ad would I get if it catches me masturbating?
Dating service number? Lube?
Do not want. | |
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| | | Re: I wonder... LOL | |
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| Mr Matt
join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL
kudos:1
1 edit | Inflatable sex dolls direct from Japan!
EDIT: Verizon will also be able to tell you how you measure up and present an ad for Viagra! | |
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 KramerPremium,Mod
join:2000-08-03
Richmond, VA
kudos:2
 ·GoDaddy Hosting
Host:
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Wireless Security
| Let's see how well that works out for them It is just a patent, but Verizon is annoyingly obtrusive already. If Comcast offered anything close to the number of HD channels, I'd be dumping Verizon in a few months when my contract expires. I am so sick of hitting the DVR button only to be greeted by 20 seconds of no response, followed by some ad that Verizon wants me to see that delays how long it is I can do what I want to do. Then there are the annoying balloons in the upper right corner of the screen. I just get the feeling that Verizon doesn't give a darn about privacy. | |
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | Bill per Viewer? How long until the MPAA pushes for this tech to be required in STBs I wonder. I am sure they would love to have PPV be not just a flat 4-5 bucks but be 4-5 bucks per viewer, with scans every 15min and then a viewer number average billed at the end so that nobody can cheat their system by ordering with only one person in the room.
Okay its not really likely but I cannot say I would be surprised if the thought crossed their minds.
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| | | Re: Bill per Viewer? ?? What's the big deal? Can't you just put a piece of tape over the camera, unhook the mic?
Think is I cannot wait till you hear a story about these being hacked and spied upon by pervs. | |
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| | | said by Kearnstd:How long until the MPAA pushes for this tech to be required in STBs I wonder. I am sure they would love to have PPV be not just a flat 4-5 bucks but be 4-5 bucks per viewer, with scans every 15min and then a viewer number average billed at the end so that nobody can cheat their system by ordering with only one person in the room.
Okay its not really likely but I cannot say I would be surprised if the thought crossed their minds.
well what about systems with a 1 master box and a dumb box at each tv that don't have any tech other then hdmi out and remote in + a network link? | |
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