| "You Have Absolutely No Privacy" - DUH! DUH! I've never understood why anyone would expect privacy over a public network. I guess I assume there is no privacy because I remember a time when there was none on the interwebs.
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"What he's again confirming here is that major carriers have embedded hardware"
Thanks for pointing out that the big boys are doing this and not every ISP.
AT&T/Comcast/Verizon/Charter or similar sized company. |
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 danclan
join:2005-11-01
Midlothian, VA | So then encryption means nothing? While I believe they are capturing some data, capturing it all is a bit far fetched. The sheer amount of data running across the wires these days is HUGE, ridiculously massive. Even the Federal government with all its resources just doesn't have the storage capacity to store it all. They would need tractor trailers full of disc drives daily to keep up with the volume of both encrypted and non-encrypted data flowing daily across the US alone.
I would also wonder about the state of encrypted data. Can it really be decoded so simply? Does Google et. al. just let government entities just capture and decode their encrypted data? Sorry, but call me skeptical of these claims and allegations. |
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 lordfly
join:2000-10-12
Homestead, FL
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| Backups Considering this vast amount of data, I figure they will have to forego standard backup procedures. About the best they could do is do real cloning between centers. I don't want to do the math, but a Petabyte storage device would fill up rather quickly. I can see drive space manufacturers making a ton of dough from this little adventure. Maybe new technology will come out of this.
We shall see how far this goes. It is dangerous to store that much information. |
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Re: So then encryption means nothing? They capture all the data. Their current issue is storage. They can only keep the data for a certain period of time before they have to flush it due to storage constraints. That's the point of the new facility, to be able to keep the data for longer.
The idea was in the past if they needed a wire tap they would go to a judge to issue one, and once issued from that point forward they could listen in. Now, they have access to all the history too. |
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| Look at Petraeus If what happened to the director of the CIA wasn't a wakeup call to everyone, then they're going to stay asleep. The FBI cracked his gmail account with obviously no effort and without there being any evidence of an actual crime taking place. There was no legal support for what they did and yet they were able to get full access to not only his personal account, but to his mistress's. I may have read one article about the implications of this ability shown off by the FBI, but everyone else was too interested in the sex scandal to even notice. |
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Re: So then encryption means nothing? said by danclan:Does Google et. al. just let government entities just capture and decode their encrypted data? Sorry, but call me skeptical of these claims and allegations.
Ask youself how the FBI got access to General Petraeus' gmail account so quickly and easily. Nope, no collaboration there between Goog and the feds. |
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MTUPremium
join:2005-02-15
San Luis Obispo, CA | Privacy When 'amateurs' can crack it easily....
»arstechnica.com/security/2012/12···6-hours/ |
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| So Who.. So who should I contact to get back that e-mail is mistakenly deleted yesterday? 
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Re: So then encryption means nothing? I imagine they can filter and compress the amount of data down quite a bit since most of it is redundant or obviously irrelevant. "Persons of interest" or persons who match certain patterns can be targeted for the most intensive data gathering, and corporations would cooperate willingly, though they probably don't need to be asked |
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Re: Look at Petraeus And that was the FBI, which needs to at least appear to be following procedures and regulations when it wants to build a case for court. The NSA does not need to worry about oversight |
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Re: So Who.. Sorry, you don't have the security clearance to access your email. |
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join:2003-07-03
Boston, MA | reply to danclan
Re: So then encryption means nothing? Of course they do. Now end-to-end encryption (where the carrier has no access to the key) is different, and probably much more secure. |
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| NO Privacy No American citizen has complete privacy If you have a cell phone, use the internet pay taxes have credit or been arrested or a host of other tie-ins. If the Federal or State govt wants information they will get it, with or without a warrant, the Constitution means nothing if you have generated enough concern or interest. That's not to say you can't escape but it's hard.
My brother lived basically undetected for years (Evidently the Feds wanted him for something) but had to use alias no credit cards, no bank accounts but died a penniless pauper and would have been buried in public mass burial if he hadn't revealed who he was before he died. Death is about the only way you will get any true privacy. |
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danclan
join:2005-11-01
Midlothian, VA
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Re: Privacy This has nothing to do with data streams but with offline hash attacks......e.g. someone hacked and stole user account data and and wants to brute force attack.
1024/2048bit key encryption is far harder and as yet have not been broken. The minimum bit length today is 2048 for keys.
Your data can also be easily protected if you use AES-256 to encrypt and send anything as I don't believe its been shown to be broken yet either.
The complicated issue regarding warrants and searches is somewhat addressed here:
»www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/···20121117 |
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 morboComplete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
00000 | reply to danclan
Re: So then encryption means nothing? Google email isn't encrypted. It is unencrypted despite using encryption transport technologies like SSL. Unless you and your communication partner both use encryption systems and techniques, everything is clearly available for the government to view provided they fill out the proper forms, pay the processing fee, etc. Google isn't alone in this sense. All providers (AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, Comcast, etc.) will give the authorities access to your information stored on their systems if requested by a law enforcement agency and the proper steps are followed.
Privacy is an illusion unless you create your own privacy. |
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join:2005-06-18
Forest Hills, NY
kudos:1
 ·Time Warner Cable
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| do non-USA outlet VPNs defeat this? if you are on a VPN that outlets to Europe using an OpenVPN client and keep SSL intact during browsing, would that prevent the US government from accumulating all your online activity? sure that outlet country could have it (and find you if they could get the vpn provider to give them your mac address), but it seems only USA is still post-9/11 hysterical enough to bother. |
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| said by Packeteers:if you are on a VPN that outlets to Europe using an OpenVPN client and keep SSL intact during browsing, would that prevent the US government from accumulating all your online activity? sure that outlet country could have it (and find you if they could get the vpn provider to give them your mac address), but it seems only USA is still post-9/11 hysterical enough to bother.
VPN cant save you from the government cause they can setup a honey pot. People like to think they have security and everything's private but really you cant hide behind tor or VPN if the government is REALLY looking for you. |
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axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC | The lack of transparency / illegality bothers me more The potential loss of privacy is bad. This should be guaranteed by 4th amendment rights. What bothers me even more, is how this happens without any law passed. It's a bypass of democracy, to violate our rights, with no accountability. W Bush approved it, and Obama did not fix it. There are a few senators who tried to do something, but not enough people are on our side.
It doesn't matter if the intent is good now. It's only a matter of time before this illegal power is used to control the political process as well. |
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PacketeersPremium
join:2005-06-18
Forest Hills, NY
kudos:1 Reviews:
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Re: do non-USA outlet VPNs defeat this? that really was not my point.
the question is - does a non-usa outlet vpn circumvent the usa from accumulating all your usual data traffic, since they can still capture all your data packets coming off your mac address, but it will be SSL encrypted AND vpn encrypt jacketed jibberish, not something they could easially keyword search or catalog about you.
not - does it prevent a determined security agency from finding you out. |
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join:2001-11-25
Phoenix, AZ
·Cox HSI
·Charter
| And the answer is This is why as a total population we need to be including some derogatory drivel in each phone conversation/email/whatever. Flood the data files with comments on our "leaders" dress, eating habits, bad habits, propensity to engage in disgusting practices and so on. If nothing else we can feel good about the "last great gesture of defiance" towards those who misuse their power under the guise of "protecting" we the citizens. In this case, lets grind the bastards down!
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