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Comments on news posted 2012-12-12 08:46:53: Netflix has once again ranked the best ISPs for streaming content. According to this Netflix blog post, the company's rankings come from 30 million members viewing over 1 billion hours of Netflix each month. ..

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grydlok

join:2004-01-06
Richmond, VA

that was fast

Google making an impact already

ArrayList
DevOps
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Brighton, MA

1 recommendation

Re: that was fast

it doesn't take much.

keithps
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Soddy Daisy, TN
Too bad my ISP must've been too small (40,000 subs) for them to rank. Google Fiber is only on there because of publicity.
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MonkeyLick78

join:2002-01-27
Hixson, TN

1 recommendation

Re: that was fast

said by keithps:

Too bad my ISP must've been too small (40,000 subs) for them to rank. Google Fiber is only on there because of publicity.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. EPB Fiber is in more homes than Google yet it was never eligible.There are other small fiber isp's that are in more homes too yet were ignored.

spewak
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Re: that was fast

said by MonkeyLick78:

said by keithps:

Too bad my ISP must've been too small (40,000 subs) for them to rank. Google Fiber is only on there because of publicity.

There are other small fiber isp's that are in more homes too yet were ignored.

I feel the same way. My FTTH provider never makes the list. Heck, they have services in Kansas also.
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zed260
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Re: that was fast

said by spewak:

said by MonkeyLick78:

said by keithps:

Too bad my ISP must've been too small (40,000 subs) for them to rank. Google Fiber is only on there because of publicity.

There are other small fiber isp's that are in more homes too yet were ignored.

I feel the same way. My FTTH provider never makes the list. Heck, they have services in Kansas also.

the google project is far bigger then just a single community ftth epb for instance serves only Chattanooga

but google fiber is likely to be one of the largest ftth providors outside of at&t and fios
damacu

join:2012-07-18
Netflix is probably including all users on Google's network, including its employees.

ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
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When Netflix requires a lowly 5Mbps, how are most of these ISp's not TIED for first?

lol

dnoyeB
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Southfield, MI
kudos:1

Re: that was fast

netflix does not even require that much. Its not about max speed but sustained speed.
34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

Re: that was fast

said by dnoyeB:

netflix does not even require that much. Its not about max speed but sustained speed.

It does if you're streaming HD content.

Hayward
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said by ITALIAN926:

When Netflix requires a lowly 5Mbps, how are most of these ISp's not TIED for first?

lol

Not even that, even Netflix HD works fine on my 3mbs DSL as long as I don't try to do anything else intensive at the same time.

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skuv

@rr.com
Yes, such an impact with only a handful of customers on their network.

How will this look when they're actually supporting the traffic of several thousand customers at once?

tc1uscg

join:2005-03-09
Clinton Township, MI
said by grydlok:

Google making an impact already

ONLY in the markets they choose to deploy. Just like big red, they will cherry pick. In my area, there are 3. WOW, Comcast, AT&T. In the outer burbs, add time warner. Unless Google was willing to take a beating, they wouldn't dare show up here.
brianiscool

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Miami, FL
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Google

I see they plan is going to fail. This is just a publicity stunt. They are doing everything at a loss.
Gami00

join:2010-03-11
Mississauga, ON

Re: Google

said by brianiscool:

I see they plan is going to fail. This is just a publicity stunt. They are doing everything at a loss.

are you sure you can see it? you're probably not even looking at the same thing google is looking at.

MxxCon

join:1999-11-19
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Re: Google

brianiscool probably google searched that.

skeechan
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Re: Google

Probably used Bing because he didn't want to get screwgled or whatever MS' tagline of the week is.
NoHereNoMo

join:2012-12-06

So...

Netflix "tops out" at about 2.5?

Anon23

@vzbi.com

Re: So...

megaBYTES
NoHereNoMo

join:2012-12-06

Re: So...

Actually, no, "MBPS" is notation for 'megabits per second' (presuming Netflix is using it correctly--can one ever really presume that of Netflix?). Supposedly, they're referring to speed, not throughput.
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trackdrew

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Re: So...

Mbps = "mega bits per second"
MBps = "mega bytes per second"

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_rate_ ··· :_b_vs_B
NoHereNoMo

join:2012-12-06

Re: So...

Netflix capitalized all of the letters (which is, basically, "wrong"). Also, 'mbps' is correct, not 'Mbps', for megabits per second (the 'm' representing '1,000' and not '1024'--speeds are always in decimal, not binary).
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silbaco
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Re: So...

Cisco uses Mbps over mbps. Therefore that is more or less the industry standard, regardless of what is technically correct.
NoHereNoMo

join:2012-12-06

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Re: So...

That's like saying the hard drive manufacturers are "correct" to use GB to represent 1 billion bytes. It's not really correct, but they all do it, and we all know what they mean. A gigabyte is 1 billion bytes (because it's a metric/decimal term, though TBH it's quite acceptable for one to use it when "spelling out" GB--many do, but if you're going to spell it out and mean binary then you should use GigaByte instead->); but a GB is not (because it's binary notation). That's what "notation" is all about--conveying accurately what is meant. Thanks, but I'll continue to always use correct and proper notation regardless of what any vendor or the ISO (or Netflix) says.

Edit: I should point out, I suppose, that it's fairly irrelevant whether the first letter is capitalized when you're following it with 'bps'--which always means 'bits per second'. So whether it's 'Mbps' or 'mbps', the 'm'/'M' still refers to a decimal value (back to that whole comm. speeds always being decimal thing).

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folsom

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Re: So...

If you're going to use correct notation, then Mega = M. m = milli. Unless you think 1MHz = 1mHz.
NoHereNoMo

join:2012-12-06

Re: So...

You seem to forget that the scope here is IT. We have our own notation that has worked well for many decades.
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Hayward
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said by NoHereNoMo:

Netflix capitalized all of the letters (which is, basically, "wrong"). Also, 'mbps' is correct, not 'Mbps', for megabits per second (the 'm' representing '1,000' and not '1024'--speeds are always in decimal, not binary).

no the Case of the B is important, but actually lower case M technically would be millibits per sec. MB and Mb apply for Mega Bytes and bits...on the Net the M can really be either easily taken in context the B can't be, but tech m is mil and M is Meg.

Again the B is very confusing misused, but no one really thinks a wall wart PS has a 100 M(ega)amp output. It should be and usually is 100ma. But do some times see batteries and and PS labeled as Ma or MA which is semi wrong as there is no case to a,v, or w and can be either way and mean the same but even if capped should be mA for mil and MA for meg.

And cable has gotten fast but no one has a 20(m)illi bit connection (mbs) would be ultra slow (less than dial up)... its a 20(M)ega bit (Mbs)
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NoHereNoMo

join:2012-12-06

Re: So...

As I said, we in IT don't care about the ISO BS. Binary is not metric. Get over it... or should I say, get over IT.
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Hayward
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Re: So...

said by NoHereNoMo:

As I said, we in IT don't care about the ISO BS. Binary is not metric. Get over it... or should I say, get over IT.

Realy???? Just put things in any arbitrary terms you want and no one but you have a clue what you are really talking about??? Now there is a great way to get ahead in the world.

BTW you do know ISO stands for International Standards Org.... you know so we are all on the same page???

Hey people like you said hell with ISO we are ASA (American) only our film numbers mean anything... well not if they wanted to market to the rest of the world and not dual label everything.

Sorry America is not really king of the world any more and it is a global environment.

That we still hang onto inches and crap (the English that invented it long haven't, and we did revolt but hung onto that crap?) is just absurd.... there is no one in the world but us that aren't Metric...

So much simpler everything is a multiple or divisor of 10.... but what the heck is an inch related to a yard or 5,230 ft (MI) or a pound to a teaspoon with out major math vs again just moving a decimal point around... its just plain STUPID.

1mm is 1000th of a meter or 1,000,000th of a km no complicated conversion just moving the decimal point.

then again we are for so far confused (by so much simpler) even minor such simple thing can't be comprehended, but so good at being arrogantly globally policy stupid, and widely despised.

Wonder why? WE CAN'T HANDLE JUST SIMPLY MOVING A DECIMAL PONIT??? Well like DUH... Wow that is a horribly simply issue?

Seems simple but really a measurable parameter of how absurdly we are king and rest of the world sees as SIMPLY STUPID, vs ever getting into socio politics.

You can in 5 sec move a decimal point in your head there really isn't much hope for us. (Want to challenge Rush Limbaugh or O'Rielly on mental metric conversion.... simple as it is sure they both without rehersal would likely fail simple as it is)

Some times hearing likes of you wonder if IT isn't really acronym for = Idiocy Terminus.

Like you said get over yourself and be globally REAL and hey simple while you are at it..

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NoHereNoMo

join:2012-12-06

Re: So...

You understand neither plain English nor good manners. If you cannot respect the standard practices of other industries and professions, then you deserve no respect yourself.
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Hayward
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Re: So...

Yet you are everyone BS know all Mama... OK You alone know everything as your prodigious posts (more than anyone) here prove.

But thank you for your corp input we can screw anyone and good for us... the world is wising up to your I'm IT an all that BS even though many of you prove yourselve's clueless some stupid cred you bought not earned matters and means you know everything .

Again 5 years or so down the road get back to me.... I was right and you F'd the world in the meantime.
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meowmeow

join:2003-07-26
Helena, MT
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Mbps is correct in the context:

Mbps: megabits/second
mbps: millibits/second

P.S. since I see you got told what was correct and insist (wrongly) it doesn't apply to IT, I attached proof of use otherwise. Look at this graph. Note how VERY important the difference between Mb/s and mb/s is.

MxxCon

join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY
if it's megabytes, then those numbers still don't make much sense.
google fiber's connection should still be much faster than that.
and Cablevision, for example, doesn't have enough "Boost(+)" or "Ultra" customers to weight regular 15/2 numbers so much higher to get 2.15megabytes/sec.
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skuv

@rr.com

Re: So...

said by MxxCon:

if it's megabytes, then those numbers still don't make much sense.
google fiber's connection should still be much faster than that.
and Cablevision, for example, doesn't have enough "Boost(+)" or "Ultra" customers to weight regular 15/2 numbers so much higher to get 2.15megabytes/sec.

The numbers make sense because Netflix does not stream much faster than that.

Moropo
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said by NoHereNoMo:

Netflix "tops out" at about 2.5?

I believe everyone that replied to you didn't understand your point.

From the chart you can see, for example, Frontier at 1.49 and from this you can deduce that the figures are in Mbps, as in megabits. If the figures were to be in MBps then Frontier would be delivering on average 12 Mbps and I'm assuming this is not the case.

So this figures are in Mbps and one suddenly realizes how low they are. The fact that Google Fiber and FIOS are at 2.55 and 2.19 respectively, tells you that Netflix is the one bottlenecking with their upload. There's no doubt Google Fiber and FIOS could download faster than 2.55 and 2.19 megabits per second IF the server (Netflix) allowed it.

And that's what I think you meant by your post: that Netflix is the one that seems to top out at 2.5
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NoHereNoMo

join:2012-12-06

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Re: So...

Yep, you said it way more thoroughly than I did with my off-the-cuff remark.
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34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
said by NoHereNoMo:

Netflix "tops out" at about 2.5?

It says average speed, not peak. The quoted comment also goes on to clearly indicate average speeds are way way below peak speeds. So users streaming HD content would definitely be quite a bit higher than that.
NoHereNoMo

join:2012-12-06

Re: So...

Yeah, if I were actually thinking about it when I typed it, then I probably would've said "leveled out" (guess I was thinking more of the "top" of the chart? meh.).
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ropeguru
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said by 34764170:

said by NoHereNoMo:

Netflix "tops out" at about 2.5?

It says average speed, not peak. The quoted comment also goes on to clearly indicate average speeds are way way below peak speeds. So users streaming HD content would definitely be quite a bit higher than that.

Now did you really expect someone to actually READ the blog post and get that info for themselves?

dvd536
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said by NoHereNoMo:

Netflix "tops out" at about 2.5?

because they're throttling EVERYONE.

laughable is the gigabit speeds on google fibre but with netsux throttling manages only 2.5mbps
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34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

Re: So...

said by dvd536:

said by NoHereNoMo:

Netflix "tops out" at about 2.5?

because they're throttling EVERYONE.

laughable is the gigabit speeds on google fibre but with netsux throttling manages only 2.5mbps

No, they're not. You clearly did not read the post nor understand what the word average means or that the numbers are an average for both SD and HD content.
NoHereNoMo

join:2012-12-06
It's fairly well-known that you don't need 1gbps in order to stream an HD video. In fact, you can get by with only a few mbps (sustained). I'm sure many of the folks on Google fiber (and every other ISP) have other things they use their connections for...
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bn1221

join:2009-04-29
Cortland, NY

Frontier

Must be the fiber Frontier people and the Rochester fed people skewing the results. My clients can't get a solid 1 mbit on the 3-6 mbit lines they have now.
kem09030

join:2004-11-29
Rushville, IL

Re: Frontier

Have 1mbps here and have trouble getting over 500kbps to any server...except the frontier speedtest. Even with a ping over 1,000 ms their speedtest gives numbers of 1.2mbps. Do speedtest on any other site and the speed is .1-.4mbps with ping around 700-900ms. The ping was low last night, 500 ms.
bn1221

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Re: Frontier

In NY a lot of Frontier's backhaul is leased from VZ - that is why the internal speedtest usually is fast but a real speedtest sucks. Verizon doesn't like to upgrade any lines (they'll sell you T1s all day long at rape me rates but try getting a faster Ethernet or OC link) so that makes a crummy ISP like Frontier seem even worse.

In Rochester where they have the old Global Crossing / CyberCenter backbone its reasonably quick.

ilikeme
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Great of FIOS, sucks on U-Verse

I have FIOS near Dallas and U-Verse in Houston. Netflix works great on the FIOS connection, but takes a lot longer to load and buffers more on the U-Verse connection (12Mbps.) We are considering dumping U-Verse completely (already dumped the TV for DirecTV a few months ago) and switching the internet and phone back to Comcast.
Crusty

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@CTL

Ummmm...CenturyLink should be rated further down with the wireless providers. Avg MBPS of 1.69?? No way with the DSL I've had for eight years.

Heck, my LTE (ATT) on my S3 is a minimum of twice as fast and sometimes 5 times as fast as my CTL DSL!!

scrummie02
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Arlington, VA

Comcast is decent

I have a workplace account the and connection is solid. I stream netflix and HBOGO without issue and that is while downloading an 4 gig .IMG file via my MS Technet subscription.

I'm moving to a new place that has Fios though, can't wait.

AnonFTW

@reliablehosting.com

Sad ...

Pretty sad that DSL is rated slightly above 3G mobile. Wow.

hyphenated

@bellsouth.net

Re: Sad ...

Wireless is probably overloaded in many areas and lucky to run at a mere Kbps.
bn1221

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Keep in mine 3G mobile can include CMDA (which on a lot of VZ and Sprint is REVA) that maxes a 3.1 mbit per channel. So, 10-100 people on that channel....slows it down. LTE is much better I can stream Netflix on LTE, it starts on 3G and buffers so much a 22 minute Cheers episode takes 1 hour to watch

SuperJudge
Raiden Wins
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Just switched

I just dumped my AT&T account for Mediacom, and had no idea Netflix would work so well.

Not sure if there's a reason for it all, but the contrast between AT&T and Mediacom definitely seems accurate.
silbaco
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USA

No Google Fiber

I am not going to lie, I don't think Google Fiber should be on this chart. It is not a big enough ISP at this time. They are only offered in 1 city, and are not even done hooking up that city. If they are going to include Google, they should include the dozens of other local/regional ISPs. Sonic.net for example.

Including Google Fiber just seems like a publicity stunt for faster internet.

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bbeesley
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Richardson, TX
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Doesn't seem to be a significant difference

The variance between what Karl classifies as delivering a "a fairly poor streaming experience" and the top two FTTH players is only about a half a meg per second.

I don't find that compelling - if the table showed that the difference between FTTH and DOCSIS or DSL was 2x and several megabits per second that would seem interesting.

I am pretty sure Netflix can deliver a pretty consistent user experience to a customer whether they get 2.06Mbs (Suddenlink DSL) or 2.5Mbs (Google FTTH)

At best, this ranking of the top 14 listed is anecdotal in terms of subscriber experience for the product.

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cooperaaaron

join:2004-04-10
Joliet, IL

I don't care....

Godd@m!t, give me some of that Google Fiber!!!
Cobra11M

join:2010-12-23
Mineral Wells, TX

yeah

suddenlink my own isp.. needs to be at bottom for their email prob.. and over charging scheme!
PastTense

join:2011-07-06
united state

Karl's Chart is Incomplete

He only lists 14 ISPs, while there are 21 listed in the blog.
silbaco
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USA

Re: Karl's Chart is Incomplete

He cut out the mobile's.
ArizonaSteve

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Time Warner should be at the bottom!

I don't think that chart is realistic. Roadrunner cable from Time Warner in Texas was just 0.99Mb, too slow to play a lot of stuff without buffering. On the other hand 20Mb DSL from Century Link is fast enough to play 2 movies at a time in HD if you want to!
iansltx

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Re: Time Warner should be at the bottom!

Odd that you say that. My 50/5 TWC connection gives me 90 plus percent of its speed 99% of the time, in both directions, with pretty low latency. Netflix works perfectly over this connection...I've streamed several seasons of TV in HD and they've all looked great on either a 24" 1080p screen or a 27" 1440p screen (yes, I have a 1440p screen...it's nice).

battleop

join:2005-09-28
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More skewed bullshit....

So how exactly does Google get ranked #1 when they don't have a customer base yet? EPB's smallest package you can get is now 50/50 and they have far more subscribers than Google and they are not listed?
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iansltx

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Re: More skewed bullshit....

Maybe people in EPB's footprint have better things to do than stream Netflix, while folks in KC on GFiber are busy pegging their connections 24/7

MonkeyLick78

join:2002-01-27
Hixson, TN
said by battleop:

So how exactly does Google get ranked #1 when they don't have a customer base yet? EPB's smallest package you can get is now 50/50 and they have far more subscribers than Google and they are not listed?

Yeah, no logic in that. They need to include them all if they're gonna make an exception for Google. The small fiber isp's would have dominated the list if they had done so in the past.

gower2352

join:2012-11-26
Laurel, MD

Google Fiber Customers Post Count

what is there like maybe 150 customers on Google Fiber? hahah
damacu

join:2012-07-18

Re: Google Fiber Customers Post Count

150 customers that you envy.
Core0000
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This is cool.

Its cool to have this data.. Really ISPs have no standards to relate to... because they lack competition, but nation wide its cool to see em compared.

cork1958
Cork
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Charter -2

I'm ASSuming that -2 in front of Charter means they dropped 2 positions from last year?

Only figures with all the dumb stuff they've been pulling over the last year!!
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jseymour

join:2009-12-11
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Re: Charter -2

said by cork1958:

I'm ASSuming that -2 in front of Charter means they dropped 2 positions from last year?

Only figures with all the dumb stuff they've been pulling over the last year!!

Or it could be they dropped two positions because of two of the three that are now ranked above them.
tmc8080

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keep on perpetuating a LIE verizon..

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ITALIAN926

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Re: keep on perpetuating a LIE verizon..

Cablevision Fanboy, whats the LIE?

PaulHikeS2

join:2003-03-06
Fitchburg, MA
Yes...what is this LIE you are referencing?
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