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Frontier here in Portland, ORI think this is geared to rural DSL users as the system Frontier bought from Verizon in the Portland, OR area includes FIOS. There's no way I'd drop that for capped wireless that's even slower that what I have now.
I do envision Frontier giving up someday in Portland, at least I can go back to Comcast. |
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I believe there were only like 100,000 FiOS users involved in those sales, and a big chunk of those left when Frontier introduced that $500 install fee to scare them away.... |
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That's AWESOME!!!So, Verizon had a business sold "newspapers" to people getting rained on. They handed that business over to another company to sell the papers and they came back into the same area with golf umbrellas to sell! |
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to Karl Bode
Re: Frontier here in Portland, ORI believe the $500 install fee was instituted to scare off potentially new customers to their video service. I don't believe Frontier wants to be in the TV business, that being said they haven't done a thing to try and scare me off their system. I've had to negotiate a slightly higher price after my initial 2-year contract expired and found it comparable to Comcast so I'm still here. The data services has been pretty good, great speeds, no cap to speak of and reliable. |
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ssavoy Premium Member join:2007-08-16 Dallas, PA |
ssavoy
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2012-Dec-18 2:43 pm
TelcosIt's a very expensive service I'm not sure many would switch to unless Frontier really drops the ball. Oh wait.
How much longer does Frontier have in areas where they aren't the monopoly? They're just an internet and landline phone company. Landlines are dying and DSL is already dated. Maybe they'll become a Dish reseller and become "Frontier" satellite TV. Oh wait, that industry isn't doing too well either.
So long, Frontier. Your lack of network investment will be your demise. |
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petewary
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2012-Dec-18 2:51 pm
Frontier taking Verizons trashI remember when a small time phone company named Citizens Communications ,(Con-Tel and GTE before them) acquired Frontier.I thought this is probably a bad thing.Well,Citizens took Frontiers name and things started to happen.First,DSL became available,and that has had its ups n downs.Then recently the remote that we connect to that converts the copper to fiber just got back-up AC power,WOW ,just like the 20th century. The DSL isn't the greatest , but we live a couple miles from the remote and the remote is 18 miles to the main switching facility in town with god knows how many repair splices in between. |
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Old technologyIsn't this what smart companies do? Sell off their obsolete technologies? Media General just sold all its newspapers to become a 100% broadcast TV company. |
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Nightmare
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2012-Dec-18 2:55 pm
Golden ParachutesI REALLY dont think the fairpoint executives care about what happens to the company. They will have their Golden Parachutes to land softly to earth after users jump for "faster" yet capped LTE. Once fairpoint collapses...... again..... the executive will leave and get a nice comfy job at VZW in there area.
Only way this could of been avoided, IMO, would of been to tack on a condition of jail time if these executives dont turn the neglected infrastructure around and produce a real product. But like it said.. that's my opinion. |
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to DaSneaky1D
Re: That's AWESOME!!!I saw this coming for years... If you look at most developing countries, there are few landlines - its almost all wireless. Why ? Its a heck of a lot cheaper to build and support (with the exception of spectrum), and there's a demand for it. POTS is dead. AT&T is effectively attempting to do the same thing. Its late to the party (day late, dollar short), which means that it can't profit off the sale of its landline business. Instead, its going to swap its landline for LTE in rural areas. Frontier/Century Link/Fairpoint/etc. had all better get their act together and get off the POTS bandwagon - quickly. |
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Right!
I have to admit, I didn't give much mind to it until very recently, but it makes sense. |
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lfdslfsd
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2012-Dec-18 3:10 pm
left right awaywent to comcast.. never looking back |
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cdruGo Colts MVM join:2003-05-14 Fort Wayne, IN |
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2012-Dec-18 3:11 pm
$60 for 10GB?!?!quote: The price is $60 for 10GB/month standalone
I think I'll keep my $60 30mbit FiOS line that can blow through that limit in about 45 minutes thank you very much. |
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Dwayne
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2012-Dec-18 3:12 pm
First two billing cycles.50% more is not double! |
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to rdmiller
Re: Old technologyThat is true.
It will be interesting to see what happens in the broadband space. Copper is expensive to maintain and has distance limitation. Its only positive is the ability to deliver power making backup easier. Fiber has virtually unlimited capacity but is very capital intensive with payback periods longer then senior management or Wall Sweet are interested in.
The various flavors of wireless are great but I think they are only going to be practical in fairly rural areas. Even with aggressive frequency reuse it is going to be hard to support locked up mult-megabit speed for everyone, in addition to the proliferation of handheld devices.
We were able to electrify the nation and provide phone service to everyone during the 1930's but it does not look like we have the political will to do the same thing today for broadband.
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silbaco Premium Member join:2009-08-03 USA |
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2012-Dec-18 3:38 pm
Satellite, not DSLI don't think HomeFusion is luring many DSL subscribers in. $60 per month is more expensive than almost all DSL subscribers pay and it is heavily capped. HomeFusion is competing more with satellite at the moment. |
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to tschmidt
Re: Old technologyAnd the government formed orgs like the TVA because the privately operated utilities have said the same thing as broadband companies are now. "Rural America is not profitable" |
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to en103
Re: That's AWESOME!!!Everyone who went to this site did, people were talking about it when the frontier deal was signed that Verizon would likely come back with fixed wireless |
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to cdru
Re: $60 for 10GB?!?!You really can't compare these fixed LTE deployments to rural areas to what we get in urban and suburban markets. Obviously people who have access to cable and FiOS aren't going to use fixed LTE. DSL is iffy, it depends on how reliable the line is, copper networks haven't been maintained very well in many parts.
These deployments primarily target areas that may have only one Satelite |
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First, injury...Now, insult. |
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AnonMe
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2012-Dec-18 4:19 pm
Long term...Long term the only thing that will save Fairpoint in New England is to deploy FTTH with bandwidth that will make Comcast cry, at a reasonable price to consumers. Do they have the capital to do it? Unlikely, but short of that, they are a doomed company in the long term.
The question becomes, what happens to the remnants of them once they do go belly up again? They still provide services that could be considered necessary, think 911 infrastructure, city government connections, etc. It's unlikely that governments at any level would let them just pull the plug. Is this the next great american bailout? |
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jmn1207 Premium Member join:2000-07-19 Sterling, VA
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to DaSneaky1D
Re: That's AWESOME!!!said by DaSneaky1D:So, Verizon had a business sold "newspapers" to people getting rained on. They handed that business over to another company to sell the papers and they came back into the same area with golf umbrellas to sell! Those would be golf umbrellas that you can only have open for 10 minutes per month at $60, with a penalty of $20 for each additional minute the umbrella remains open beyond the initial 10 minutes. |
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to rdmiller
Re: Old technologysaid by rdmiller:Isn't this what smart companies do? Sell off their obsolete technologies? Media General just sold all its newspapers to become a 100% broadcast TV company. Here at BBR, smart companies are all categorized as evil companies. Somehow though, I doubt these smart companies care very much what BBR thinks of them. |
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to AnonMe
Re: Long term...Probably, and you'll probably have more issues as well. Telco's are all about internet and tv now, POTS is practically dead. I expect over time we'll see more and more POTS networks with bankrupt companies that can't maintain them because they cannot make a profit on them.
The ones who don't deploy FTTH or at least FTTN. |
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to FFH5
Re: Old technologyI wouldn't call the move smart but rather scum bag. Either way Frontier accepted the deal, no feeling sorry for yourself now. |
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Set my dad up for homefusion for xmasI set my dad up for HomeFusion service for xmas and he absolutely loves it. My dad lives in an area with no DSL, no cable, nothing.. VZW turned on 4G in the local town and luckily it stretches out to where he is in the country..
The weird thing is that technically he can't get the service. He lives in a rural area in west Ohio, while I live in Pittsburgh. I have FIOS at my house and I was eligible for this service, yet my father isn't. Weird huh? So I had them install it at my house and I then transplanted the gear to his house. He then called into VZW and took over the account and changed the address with no issues.
I mentioned he loves it.. He's able to get 2.5MB/sec downloads at times and latency is around 100ms for most websites. With his ATT 3G service he needed to use a repeater to get the service and even then it was high latency 250ms+ (native to 3g tech) and slow speeds. He is only on the 10gig plan which stinks, but it's better than what he has and costs the same as ATT. |
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to FFH5
Re: Old technologysaid by FFH5:Here at BBR, smart companies are all categorized as evil companies. Not sure I understand. I though Verizon's move to fiber was great and over time they would have dominated the markets they are in. I was sadden to see them move aware from wired networks. They have also been very aggressive in wireless - hence the reason for this thread. But I don't think that is a substitute for wired infrastructure. /tom |
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Re: Set my dad up for homefusion for xmasForgot to mention I think the the limited availability has to do with installers. VZW isn't allowing for self install currently, which is sad because the solution is very very easy to install. You have the outside cantenna which is then fed via RG6 coax to the inside devices. Inside there is a power pack which sends power up to the cantenna and then also the wireless AP/switch with a MoCA interface.
The actual router functionality sits in the Cantenna and the inside device is really just a bridge. The two units do work together though as they control each other.
Another thing I experienced is that when they found he wasn't elgible for the service at his house they said 'why not get a mifi'.. I was like sure if you give me the same plan rates as the HomeFusion, but they weren't willing to do this. $60 for homefusion or 80+ for a MiFi.. So I went ahead and had them install homefusion at my home and then transplanted it. |
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Re: Frontier here in Portland, ORUs too, as much crap as you hear about Frontier they've been real good here. Even updated our old system some and it has gotten more reliable. And speed is good, what I'm paying for at least. Got a real good service guy who seems to care if we're getting what we need. Verizon, meh. Matter of fact been on line since July with no drops. (now watch it crap tonite in the middle of my coding, LOL, not likely) |
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elray
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2012-Dec-18 5:07 pm
Choice comes to FrontierlandInstead of complaining, I'd be celebrating the fact that Frontier and Fairpoint have to reckon with competition, and might actually look to improve their product offerings.
Not every region is going to see bargain-basement rates, but we will continue to see lower and lower costs per bit from all carriers, as VZW's $60/10 actually represents.
We had several AT&T copper facilities here that couldn't break dialup speed, no matter how many bucket trucks were deployed, with POTS that rarely had dialtone. 3G/4G/LTE, even at $6/Gig, would have been a very welcome alternative, though we were fortunate enough to have double/triple-pay cable options come through in the nick of time.
I don't consider $60/10 to be reasonable, but it isn't outrageous. VZW has to set the tone for wireless, to prevent the type of abuse that "unlimited" brings to select towers, like we're seeing on Clear and VMUSA experienced immediately after going unlimited.
I suspect we will see Verizon moderate their fixed-LTE rate plans over the coming years, with dynamic throttling and off-peak rates, as well as lower prime bit rate plans.
Were Fairpoint and Frontier snookered? Maybe, but it seems awfully convenient to jump to conspiracy theory. In the end, if fixed-LTE doesn't deliver, they may look rather smart to own the last mile. |
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to Karl Bode
Re: Frontier here in Portland, ORsaid by Karl Bode:I believe there were only like 100,000 FiOS users involved in those sales, and a big chunk of those left when Frontier introduced that $500 install fee to scare them away.... And when they did that, Portland should have fined the company $1k for each customer they did that to and refund it back to the customer-- or create a muni FTTP project to supplant frontier. Just say no to Verizon's LTE.. I hope they choke on every last bit of their overpriced bandwidth and let it sit there like lettuce on a Japanese import dock... |
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