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Comments on news posted 2013-01-07 12:34:13: Netflix has now taken to ranking the nation's top-performing streaming ISPs each month. ..

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Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to rradina

Re: Do WiFi Routers Have Impact?

Not sure how you come to the "majority", but regardless WiFi even at 54mb will supply plenty of bandwidth even with retransmissions.


34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
reply to Crookshanks

Re: Bandwidth

said by Crookshanks:

There's also a difference between a co-location center and residential last-mile connections. The former provides economy of scale and requires scant infrastructure investment. The latter requires infrastructure from the ISP all the way to your doorstep.

Sure it does but it doesn't cost them how much they like to claim it does. The providers are making a killing on broadband and charging insane amounts compared to what it really costs them to get those bits to you. They also stretch out doing required upgrades as much as possible.

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
reply to Skippy25

Re: No benefit

Come on! Stop making so much sense


34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
reply to FastLearner

Re: Save it

said by FastLearner:

How about they take the money they spend on worthless rankings and spend it on more streaming CONTENT!!

This is a really bad joke.


jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA
kudos:1

What Accounts for the Higher Score?

How is Google Fiber scoring so much higher? Clearly this is some artificial limit being imposed somewhere in the path. Why wouldn't every ISP be able to easily manage a measly 2.57 Mbps download stream?

Where is the bottleneck? I've seen at certain times that heavy usage probably accounts for my Netflix streams over my wired Roku device dropping out of HD on occasion with Comcast 50/10 service. It rarely, if ever, did so with my FiOS 35/35 service. When Netflix is acting up, my connection is otherwise working as expected to other sites and services.

Is this an issue with peering, encoding, or some other problem? It seems like there would be a LOT more Comcast customers using Netflix than there could be with FiOS, if only because of the vast difference in the total number of subscribers. Perhaps there is a finite limit on the total allowable bandwidth available to Netflix streams at some point along the route?

Anyone have a reasonable explanation?



88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to fuziwuzi

Re: mobile rankings

said by fuziwuzi:

Interesting that on the mobile front, T-Mobile ranks above AT&T and Sprint. I guess their LTE offerings don't help them much.

Where does Sprint have LTE? And at&t is not a whole lot better.

devnuller

join:2006-06-10
Cambridge, MA

1 edit

ISP performance based on Netflix decisions

How much of the performance measurement is based on choices Netflix makes?

•Which CDN's are used for which ISPs each month?
•What about Neflix's network connectivity decisions as they move transit chasing the cheapest price each month?

The netflix transit network
»bgp.he.net/AS2906#_graph4


88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to jmn1207

Re: What Accounts for the Higher Score?

said by jmn1207:

How is Google Fiber scoring so much higher? Clearly this is some artificial limit being imposed somewhere in the path. Why wouldn't every ISP be able to easily manage a measly 2.57 Mbps download stream?

Actually Netflix can do as high as 5400 kbps.

elefante72

join:2010-12-03
East Amherst, NY
reply to ITALIAN926

Re: Capt Obvious...

I agree. More marketing than anything else. But you can def see how cable and fiber outpace DSL... As of TODAY fiber is the way to go if you are interested in upload. On download I can get 50 Mbps on TWC and yes greater than that on FIOS, but I don't care...My 25/25 plan is just great for me, and I suspect a vast majority of the folks. Choice is great tho.... Thanks to competition cable has come a long way.... and that is the point of putting GOOG up there. It's a reminder to the incumbents that it can be done better and cheaper...

But on the other side of the coin when say any company was lighting up LTE, they would say, oh wait I can get 20 Mbps until there are actually people on it, and say now I'm lucky to hit 10 on a good day on my Verizon phone and more like 6-7 now or less... And we are talking less than 20% penetration on LTE.... Don't get me wrong I think LTE is superior, but my iphone 4s does just fine too on 3G....Verizon just does superior network management...


brianiscool

join:2000-08-16
Tampa, FL
kudos:1

Netflix

They finally decided to keep their mouth shut and just do what they do best.


Kearnstd
Space Elf
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
kudos:1
reply to massysett

Re: No benefit

FTTH will allow for more to happen at once over one connection. there is no one service that can swamp a Google 1gig connection yet.

However a bigger pipe means everybody in the house could be watching HD and not lag your gaming or if one only sees computer as a work tool, without lagging the VPN into the office.
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[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports



jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA
kudos:1

1 edit

1 recommendation

reply to 88615298

Re: What Accounts for the Higher Score?

Has Netflix done anything to make sure the test results are not skewed by the type of content being streamed? A lot of their content is not available in HD, and I doubt these SD programs even approach 2 Mbps in streaming quality. If a bunch of low quality cartoons are being streamed, it might lower the overall results when compared to a higher quality HD action movie.

Clearly the overall results are nearly identical where subscriber numbers are reasonably equal, or at least above a certain threshold, but Google would have a significantly lower number of subscribers. Perhaps if Google had 100,000 subscribers then they too would be around 2 Mbps along with the rest of the crowd, due mostly to the type of content being streamed, and not necessarily the quality of the connection?

Edit: I'm seeing references to much lower MAXIMUM streaming for HD content.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netflix

"Streaming
Netflix streams HD content using Microsoft VC1AP encoding at a maximum bitrate of between 2600 kbit/s and 3800 kbit/s (depending on the movie).[200] A lower bitrate feed[201] may be supplied if the user's network connection is not capable of handling the maximum bitrate available for the film in question.
Netflix recommends that people stream its movies over a broadband connection with a speed of at least 1.5 megabits per second (1.5 Mbit/s), and that people use an Internet connection of at least 3 megabits per second to get better-looking video on par with a DVD.[202]
Netflix provides users the ability to choose their download rates / quality of video on their site (»account.netflix.com/VideoQuality)"



SADFSDFSF

@comcast.net

WHO CARES!

Who cares about the best rating when movie selection is SUCK!!!!


rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
reply to Skippy25

Re: Nice data, no value however

How does NetFlix work? If they stream the content like cable On-Demand, it may never download the entire movie. I know the Apple TV downloads the whole movie and stores it for the duration of the rental period (which starts as soon as you play but not when you rent). Depending on the link speed, it take Apple TV 30 seconds to a few minutes before it says the movie is ready to watch. Although rare, sometimes it stops half way through the movie and has to buffer more content. When this happens, something goes wrong on the back-end servers as I have tested my HSI connection and it's fine. Generally I have to do something else for a few hours while waiting for it to finish downloading. (I can wait for 10 minutes and get a couple minutes of movie but this is even more frustrating).

As I said, this is rare but I've had it happen in the middle of action scenes and it makes me want to walk over to the Apple TV device, yank out all the wires and throw it into the fireplace. (One time I was really close but I then my brain pressed pause because there might be something in it that explodes resulting in hot coal burns in my carpet!)


rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
reply to Skippy25

Re: Do WiFi Routers Have Impact?

Plenty of bandwidth except when more popcorn is requested.

Think about it for a moment. It will come to you. If you don't think WiFi could affect the results...well, I guess you are entitled to your opinion.


rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
reply to jmn1207

Re: What Accounts for the Higher Score?

RE: More Comcast customers using NetFlix than FIOS.

Probably but what if more customers choose naked FIOS (no TV) vs. Comcast and choose Netflix to obtain video content.

One thing is for sure, there are so many variables here that it's difficult to understand what these numbers mean. In another post I questioned whether or not the CPE equipment has any impact. Are most using WiFi which can have various interference problems causing speeds to fall back if the transmission error rate gets too high? What about the players? Are they all created equal? Another poster mentioned they use their Bluray player and complained about a lot of buffering problems.



norbert26
Premium
join:2010-08-10
Warwick, RI

Don't worry about it Netflix

Why is Netflix so concerned about the Best ISPs ? ISPs in most cases are cable companies that also provide legacy TV service which netflix disrupts. Netflix does NOT provide ISP service. That is the customer / subscribers responsibility to find an ISP and obtain service. Therefore netflix don't worry about how you are delivered to me i will decide if its good enough or not. If its not i will do something about it. Now stop wasting time and money ranking ISPs and add content or something that is productive .


giraffedata

join:2009-07-11
San Jose, CA
reply to rradina

Re: Netflix download

On my device at least, Netflix buffers about a minute in advance and nothing behind. I have always wished for an alternative where I could tell it in the morning what I wanted to watch and it would download it at its leisure during the day for certain, uninterrupted viewing when it is done. Besides letting me know before I start that I'll see the whole movie, this would make it feasible to skip forward and backward as I watch. As it is, I use DVDs by mail when I can because that has those characteristics.



dnoyeB
Ferrous Phallus

join:2000-10-09
Southfield, MI
Reviews:
·Comcast

Good Politics

This is a long way from Comcast messing around with bandwidth to Netflix. If Netflix is successful at getting people to rank ISP performance based on Netflix speed, they will have achieved their own blow for network neutrality.
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dnoyeB
"Then said I, Wisdom [is] better than strength: nevertheless the poor man's wisdom [is] despised, and his words are not heard. " Ecclesiastes 9:16


BosstonesOwn

join:2002-12-15
Wakefield, MA
reply to Skippy25

Re: No benefit

Not true ! 10 gig between switch links are sfp+ cables


BosstonesOwn

join:2002-12-15
Wakefield, MA
reply to SADFSDFSF

Re: WHO CARES!

No , movie selection sucks inside the us! for those of us who spend a lot of time outside the us , the selection is great !
--
"It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!"


NYGiants

join:2012-08-31
united state
reply to jmn1207

Re: What Accounts for the Higher Score?

it is megabytes a second not megabits a second, i understand the confusion though

8 megabits = 1 megabyte
Ex: With 24.0 megabits per second you would be able to download 3 megabytes (of video or whatever you want) a second


silbaco
Premium
join:2009-08-03
USA
reply to Rob

Re: No benefit

No. 2. is not true. It depends on the provider entirely. I have seen some providers selling download/upload at a 100/1 ratio over fiber.


silbaco
Premium
join:2009-08-03
USA
reply to norbert26

Re: Don't worry about it Netflix

It's all about putting pressure on the ISPs. ISPs are not fans of Google. By putting Google first, it makes the other companies look bad despite there being other ftth providers with many times more customers and not making the list at all. Not many people have heard of them, so they would do Netflix no good in their war on ISPs.

These lists do not actually mean anything.


silbaco
Premium
join:2009-08-03
USA
reply to ITALIAN926

Re: Capt Obvious...

I know a multitude of cooperatives with more subscribers than Google Fiber, and offering ftth. They don't make the list. They don't fit in to the agenda.


big_e

join:2011-03-05
Reviews:
·Comcast
·Frontier Communi..
reply to norbert26

Re: Don't worry about it Netflix

Quality of the ISP will also affect the quality of the netflix customer's viewing experience. If netflix is constantly rebuffering and has lower bitrates due to congestion at the ISP, guess who the typical non computer tech literate customer is going to blame first... Netflix. Netflix has to track average bitrate performance per ISP, per region to properly plan the expansion and configuration their content distribution net anyways. It doesn't take much effort to create and release a graph of the data they already collected and analyzed for internal use. Steering customers to ISPs that perform well with your product makes good business sense. I as a customer find this data useful to determine if my ISP is actually expanding speeds/capacity or are they letting their network congest and actually lowering speeds. Netflix need not put up and shut up with crappy ISPs. If naming and shaming gets them to clean up their act, so be it.



jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA
kudos:1
reply to NYGiants

Re: What Accounts for the Higher Score?

Well, Netflix simply uses the acronym "Mbps", and I assumed that they meant megabits per second. The report shows "DEC. AVG SPEED FOR NETFLIX STREAMS (Mbps)". I can't believe they intend for this to mean megabytes per second when pertaining to average streams.

Unless you can find data to support it, I will maintain that this report is showing average megabits per second.


Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to BosstonesOwn

Re: No benefit

Fiber eats 10gig as a small snack between brunch and lunch.


Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to giraffedata

Re: Netflix download

In the beginning, I am pretty new to Netflix, I thought that was what their queuing of movies was for. Turns out, not so much. They just show up on top for you to pick and watch.


NYGiants

join:2012-08-31
united state
reply to jmn1207

Re: What Accounts for the Higher Score?

This link explains

»www.abctrick.net/2012/11/megabit···ing.html