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Comments on news posted 2013-01-09 11:02:40: Speaking at CES yesterday in his first keynote, Verizon CEO Lowell McAdam hinted at 1 Gbps FiOS and suggested the company would be speeding up the transfer of "troubled" copper customers to FiOS. ..

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m3nphls

join:2012-10-02
Brooklyn, NY

If only....

If only google fiber came to nyc, it would push fios to lower their price and offer 1Gbps for cheap as well!



ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2

LMAO, keep dreaming



buzz_4_20

join:2003-09-20
Limestone, ME

1 recommendation

If Only

They kept expanding the FIOS footprint. Even pushing other companies to deploy fiber and drum up some competition.


silbaco
Premium
join:2009-08-03
USA

Goodbye Copper

Verizon should have been allowed to ditch copper were FiOS was deployed from day 1.



IowaCowboy
Iowa native
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join:2010-10-16
Springfield, MA
kudos:1
Reviews:
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·Comcast

Please bring FiOS to Western Mass

You can skip Palmer and the rural areas between Worcester and Springfield, they're rural and you won't get a quick return on your investment. Springfield, West Springfield, Holyoke, Chicopee, Longmeadow, East Longmeadow, Ludlow, and Agawam are all the urban areas where you can serve 8 customers off of one pole instead of one customer every couple of miles and you'll quickly get a return on your investment. And don't forget Northampton, Easthampton, Hadley, and Amherst; those are areas with a lot of college students and people with money. Contrary to popular belief, Western Mass is a viable market to upgrade to FiOS.

I think the time has come to sunset copper lines. Copper lines have basically reached the end of their useful life and the time has come to shut them down. And if you'll deploy FiOS in Springfield, I'll pay the hourly rate to wire my house since it is a duplex and would require a custom install.



ropeguru
Premium
join:2001-01-25
Mechanicsville, VA

1 recommendation

reply to buzz_4_20

Re: If Only

said by buzz_4_20:

They kept expanding the FIOS footprint. Even pushing other companies to deploy fiber and drum up some competition.

Exactly.. The comment, "Says More 'Troublesome' Copper Lines to Be Migrated" does not equate to "Further expansion".

I really wish they would have run FiOS into my community. They past right by us and ran it an additional 10+ miles to the local administration offices but bypassed the established communities along the way.


skeechan
Ai Otsukaholic
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AA169|170
kudos:2

1 recommendation

reply to ITALIAN926

Re: If only....

At least until greedy NYC pols and building owners looking for kickbacks put their hands back in their pockets instead of looking at VZ as a payday.


silbaco
Premium
join:2009-08-03
USA

1 recommendation

reply to IowaCowboy

Re: Please bring FiOS to Western Mass

Skip the rural areas? Why do that? While those rural areas might not bring in a lot of money, they are one of the more costly areas to maintain copper service. We have a number of cooperatives and rural providers deploying fiber on gravel roads where there are only a couple people per mile.


silbaco
Premium
join:2009-08-03
USA

1 recommendation

reply to ropeguru

Re: If Only

They could eventually. Once they finish up their commitments with cities, they very possibly could explore to see where they could deploy FiOS and make a healthy profit. They are not going to turn entire communities onto LTE in the future. That is simply not feasible.


brianiscool

join:2000-08-16
Tampa, FL
kudos:1

1 recommendation

Good

When they deploy 1Gbps nationwide it will bring downt the 300Mbps to $99



IowaCowboy
Iowa native
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Springfield, MA
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reply to silbaco

Re: Please bring FiOS to Western Mass

said by silbaco:

Skip the rural areas? Why do that? While those rural areas might not bring in a lot of money, they are one of the more costly areas to maintain copper service. We have a number of cooperatives and rural providers deploying fiber on gravel roads where there are only a couple people per mile.

My bad, I did not realize that rural copper was expensive to maintain. I was thinking from a service provider's perspective where they want a quick return on investment. We don't have the cooperatives here in Mass like we did in Iowa. Mass is pretty urban and the rural areas are served by investor owned utilities. What I can say is the urban areas get their power restored pretty quickly after a storm (I was out three days in the October snowstorm) but the rural areas waited up to two weeks for the lights to come back on. And they want to sell their rural assets as Maine, New Hampshire, and Vermont are rural states and Verizon dumped their inventory there onto FairPoint (which is basically insolvent due to the high costs of serving those areas). And with FairPoint, service has gone downhill (Grandma quickly switched to Time Warner for home phone when FairPoint came to town). It would be nice if FairPoint did upgrade their areas to fiber but they don't have the cash.

It would be nice to have cooperatives here, particularly in the rural areas (particularly the rural parts of Western Mass, and northern New England). I don't think the laws of the states here allow for cooperatives but we do have a number of municipal utilities (Chicopee, Westfield, Holyoke, and South Hadley just to name a few). Municipal utilities tend to have better rates than investor owned utilities.

McBane

join:2008-08-22
Plano, TX

1 recommendation

Old news

They tested 1Gbps FiOS not too long ago on a test XG-PON setup with some business customer like a year ago.


CXM_Splicer
Looking at the bigger picture
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NYC
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reply to silbaco

Re: Goodbye Copper

They did ditch it, despite all the customers still using it (and paying for it).


silbaco
Premium
join:2009-08-03
USA
reply to IowaCowboy

Re: Please bring FiOS to Western Mass

Cooperatives benefit greatly from the lower maintenance costs of fiber. There are several here deploying it to their entire service area no matter how rural that may be. Unfortunately major companies would rather pay higher maintenance costs than deploy fiber.


majortom1029

join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
kudos:1

yay

I think fios internet and phone are coming to me. I live in brookhaven town on long island. Verizon originally stated that fios wont be coming here because they stopped rollout to places that didn't already have it.

lately in my complex I have seen Verizon trucks all over the place. there are no markkings in the street for the fiber and You see the fiber strung on the poles outside the development. Its not yet connected though you see the end of the fiber feeding the development not connected.

So with this we are replacing the copper with fios to places that can get it means this work is mostlikely what is described in this article.

I can't wait


IanR

join:2001-03-22
Fort Mill, SC

The good news re Verizon

The god news for Verizon FIOS customers is that it is FIBER to the house. Other cable systems often use fiber in the street and another cable to the house. Thus the cost of upgrading Verizon to a I Gbps is minimal compared to many other cable comanies which have crews visiting each house to lay a stretch of fiber to the house.


CXM_Splicer
Looking at the bigger picture
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NYC
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Not really. Many of the ONTs will not handle 1 gig service (they can't even handle Quantum) and will have to be replaced; fairly expensive.


PastTense

join:2011-07-06
united state

Since copper is so expensive, surely fiber must be cheaper?

Obviously!


Kearnstd
Space Elf
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Mullica Hill, NJ
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In the long term it is.

Fiber has a lower upkeep cost, no EMI issues, water proof(in a flood the end point hardware can be damaged but the cable itself unless physically damaged by debris will work just fine once the electronics on each end are replaced/repaired.).

no EMI issues however can reduce the number of TCs into the support lines.

Also, Fiber is needed if the telcos ever hope to compete with DOCSIS3.
--
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Kearnstd
Space Elf
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Mullica Hill, NJ
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reply to silbaco

Re: Goodbye Copper

I am guessing lots of the North Jersey Shore are getting FiOS now. Thanks to Sandy it is basically greenfield in some of the barrier islands.
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15444104
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join:2012-06-11
reply to PastTense

SUPER fast SPEED with a super EXPENSIVE price tag! LOL

Yet again all this silly blustering and hype about super fast speeds which very few need and even fewer will be able to pay for.

"Well Mr. McAdam...how much will this speed tier cost the customer?"


Considering this is Verizon we are talking about it will be a small FORTUNE! LOL


serge87

join:2009-11-29
Reviews:
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reply to CXM_Splicer

Re: The good news re Verizon

said by CXM_Splicer:

Not really. Many of the ONTs will not handle 1 gig service (they can't even handle Quantum) and will have to be replaced; fairly expensive.

Now if they can't handle Quantum, how exactly is Verizon offering those plans? An ONT upgrade is pocket change compared to swapping in a new PON card at the CO.

zippoboy7

join:2006-06-18
USA
reply to 15444104

Re: SUPER fast SPEED with a super EXPENSIVE price tag! LOL

Considering my bill is lower than it would be with the cost of a slower package on Concast I would have to say it could well be reasonable. In my case, all TV channels including the movie channels + 150/65Mbit inet (with no caps) + phone for $180 including the boxes for the TV. On Concast a similar plan with slower inet would run over $200 not to mention dealing with caps and the massive over-subscription on there system here.


15444104
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join:2012-06-11

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15444104
Premium
join:2012-06-11
reply to zippoboy7

Re: SUPER fast SPEED with a super EXPENSIVE price tag! LOL

The speed you are talking about is a far cry from what this super speed level of service is.

When you speak of your specific situation
you're talking about a promo offer, are you not?

They don't last very long..and before you know that price will balloon into a monstrosity only a very few would be able to pay.


majortom1029

join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
kudos:1
reply to serge87

Re: The good news re Verizon

said by serge87:

said by CXM_Splicer:

Not really. Many of the ONTs will not handle 1 gig service (they can't even handle Quantum) and will have to be replaced; fairly expensive.

Now if they can't handle Quantum, how exactly is Verizon offering those plans? An ONT upgrade is pocket change compared to swapping in a new PON card at the CO.

How is replacing 1 card more expensive then possibly having to replace every ont out there?

CXM_Splicer
Looking at the bigger picture
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join:2011-08-11
NYC
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reply to 15444104

Re: SUPER fast SPEED with a super EXPENSIVE price tag! LOL

Agreed, it will be prohibitively expensive for most people. Then there is the issue of Verizon's backbone. Customers will have a 1 gig connection to the local CO but there is no way our IOF equipment can handle thousands of Gigabit connections leaving the CO. They would probably sell you a gig and (like the cable companies) kick you off or throttle you if you actually try and use it.


CXM_Splicer
Looking at the bigger picture
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NYC
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reply to majortom1029

Re: The good news re Verizon

It would be 1 card for every 32 ONTs replaced and he is right... the cost of the one PON card would probably be more than 32 ONTs. We misplaced a Cisco OC-192 card once and the engineers weren't happy... it was $45,000.



antdude
A Ninja Ant
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join:2001-03-25
United State
kudos:4

What about my areas?

I am still on copper! I can't get DSL (20K ft. to CO) and FIOS even if they are available in my cities.



alchav

join:2002-05-17
Saint George, UT
Reviews:
·ooma
reply to CXM_Splicer

Re: SUPER fast SPEED with a super EXPENSIVE price tag! LOL

said by CXM_Splicer:

Agreed, it will be prohibitively expensive for most people. Then there is the issue of Verizon's backbone. Customers will have a 1 gig connection to the local CO but there is no way our IOF equipment can handle thousands of Gigabit connections leaving the CO. They would probably sell you a gig and (like the cable companies) kick you off or throttle you if you actually try and use it.

Splicer I don't know where you get your information, but the Trunking leaving the C.O. is all Fiber or at least it should be. Now if you are talking about the Equipment within the C.O. connecting the FiOS with the Trunks, if that is outdated it will be brought up to Specs before the 1Gb is offered out of that C.O.