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Comments on news posted 2013-01-10 15:22:34: The FCC this week announced that the agency will be taking steps to free up wireless spectrum to be used by newer technologies like 802.11ac (aka "Gigabit Wi-Fi). ..

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qworster

join:2001-11-25
Bryn Mawr, PA

And....

And the lion's share of wireless still happens on three non-overlapping channels in the 2.4 Ghz band.


Darknessfall

join:2012-08-17
kudos:2
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5 Ghz Doesn't Seem to Need More Channels :)?

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As you can see below, there's a ton of 2.4 devices and only two 5(My router and a possible U-verse Wireless Receiver AP)


IowaMan
Premium
join:2008-08-21
Grinnell, IA

TV OTA Spectrum?

Are they going to do away with that I thought there was talk that by 2016 or so the government would like to see OTA TV go away for good.


Kamus

join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX
reply to Darknessfall

Re: 5 Ghz Doesn't Seem to Need More Channels :)?

That's pretty bad, do you live in an apartment complex?



88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to IowaMan

Re: TV OTA Spectrum?

No, no one ever said they were going to do away with OTA. This has nothing to do with that anyways. What they wanted to do with OTA is to get 120 MHz of the 222 MHz of OTA UHF spectrum and auction it off for mobile. They still plan to do that but they are now counting on getting at best 80 MHz and probably closer to 60 MHz. There still would be 42 MHz on hi-VHF like there is today.


Darknessfall

join:2012-08-17
kudos:2
reply to Kamus

Re: 5 Ghz Doesn't Seem to Need More Channels :)?

No, just holding my wireless adapter really high :P. I only normally pick up 8 or so when placed on top of my computer on the 2nd floor . WNDA4100



88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to Darknessfall

Why are all those people using channel 11? Are they stupid? I bet their connections suck which they promptly blame on their ISP instead of themselves.


iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
kudos:2
reply to qworster

Re: And....

Yep, because 5GHz equipment on the AP side is still expensive, and has shorter range.


Darknessfall

join:2012-08-17
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reply to 88615298

Re: 5 Ghz Doesn't Seem to Need More Channels :)?

Lol I asked the same thing in a thread a month or so ago on this website. Most of them are 2wire U-verse gateways :P! Channel 1 is actually the clearest out of them all.

For your enjoyment with not holding my adapter up in the air:


AggieDan

@xo.net

The AT&T U-Verse gateways don't look around to see how congested the bands are and instead default. You have to manually change the channel. Luckily for me, none of my neighbours seem to have this figured this out, leaving me the opportunity to set my APs on different channels with less interference.


Darknessfall

join:2012-08-17
kudos:2

Both of my gateways that I received from AT&T had "Auto" for channel as the default.(3800/3801)


BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to 88615298

I have traditionally seen channel 6 as the most, and 1 as the best. And then there's a few idiots on like 4 and 7, making only 2 usable (although one time in a dorm with horrendous interference, I found something like 3 or 4 to be the only thing that was remotely usable, as it partially fit in between 1 and 6).


BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to qworster

Re: And....

Yeah, 5ghz is still pretty clean.


xur17

join:2003-03-26
Cincinnati, OH
reply to AggieDan

Re: 5 Ghz Doesn't Seem to Need More Channels :)?

I live in an apartment by my college, all of my neighbors except for 1 are on channel 11. I have no complaints though, as it leaves me 1 free non-overlapping channel, and 1 lightly used channel.



koolman2
Premium
join:2002-10-01
Anchorage, AK
reply to Darknessfall

I like that lone 11b access point in there.


eco
Premium
join:2001-11-28
Wilmington, DE
reply to qworster

Re: And....

802.11ac is going to be 5GHz only so that spectrum will start filling up over the next couple of years.


Darknessfall

join:2012-08-17
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reply to koolman2

Re: 5 Ghz Doesn't Seem to Need More Channels :)?

The B is someone's adhoc network which has been unsecured for years lol.

Just counted up how many per channel when holding my adapter in the air after about 10 minutes of letting InSSIDer pick up networks (All of the networks weren't all in range at once).

Channel - 2.4:
1 - 4 + 1 guest
2 - 2
3 - 1
4 - 2
5 - 2
6 - 4 + 1 guest
7 - 1
8 - 1
9 - 1
10 - 3
11 - 8



anonisp

@backdeck.com

probably in the 5330-5700 range

Where radar detection is already being approved... Not really new spectrum, just allowing more home stuff to use it...



streamer

@cable.net.co
reply to Darknessfall

Re: 5 Ghz Doesn't Seem to Need More Channels :)?

What app is that i'd love to run it on my mac to see how bad my area is.


ssavoy
Premium
join:2007-08-16
Dallas, PA
Reviews:
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reply to BiggA

I hate this. I'm forced to use channel 9 because 1, 6, and 11 are completely saturated. One neighbour runs two access points on two separate channels with 40MHz bandwidth and another uses channel 4. My LAN speeds over Wireless N rarely go past 20mbps on most channels. I get 30mbps on channel 9.

Another AP popped up last week on channel 7. I think 802.11ac will be my saving grace. I keep putting more devices on my wired network every week.



elios

join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO
reply to Darknessfall

i dont get why WiFi doesnt use some thing like FHSS? we use it with our RC gear and it works great


Jazzemt

join:2009-02-12
Granite City, IL
reply to Darknessfall

Which software are you using to display that?


Darknessfall

join:2012-08-17
kudos:2
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reply to streamer

@Jazzemt/streamer

It's called InSSIDer

»www.metageek.net/products/inssider/
»www.metageek.net/products/inssider-for-mac/



RWSI

join:2012-11-27
Albuquerque, NM

Interference

As a user of the 5 GHZ spectrum in our market area there is nothing left here to use.
Any new devices will do nothing but cause degradation of bandwidth and nothing but trouble to anyone attempting to deploy product.

We are already in competition with other major users and have been problems increasing final cost to the end user.

I'm betting the new spectrum will be so low power it won't go any distance and be so regulated to add more DFS requirements to devices making them absolutely not worth a damm.

All I'm saying is the FCC needs to make it right and do what is right instead of making spectrum useless.



antdude
A Ninja Ant
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-25
United State
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reply to 88615298

Re: 5 Ghz Doesn't Seem to Need More Channels :)?

said by 88615298:

Why are all those people using channel 11? Are they stupid? I bet their connections suck which they promptly blame on their ISP instead of themselves.

Not everyone is an expert, but illiterates. They just set them up and be done. Do they care about security? Nope.


antdude
A Ninja Ant
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-25
United State
kudos:4
reply to Jazzemt

said by Jazzemt:

Which software are you using to display that?

Probably InSIDDer.


Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:22
reply to iansltx

Re: And....

No it's not. The TP-Link TL-WDR3500 is a simultaneous dual-band router (so it can do 2.4 and 5 at the same time), and costs $50 at retail... I'm sure there are cheaper examples too.

To put this in context, my WRT54GL cost more than that.
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BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH

AC only runs in the 5ghz band... a lot of AC routers also support 2.4ghz N. However, it remains to be seen how much AC catches on.


BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to ssavoy

Re: 5 Ghz Doesn't Seem to Need More Channels :)?

You can also use dual-band N900, which works great.


iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
kudos:2
reply to Guspaz

Re: And....

Where is it sold, retail? Remember that the great unwashed masses don't all shop on Newegg, or shop for routers on Amazon.