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Comments on news posted 2013-01-11 10:54:00: Earlier this week we noted how Dish's new Hopper DVR, which has angered broadcasters because it automatically skips ads, has now integrated Slingbox functionality. ..


digiblur
Premium
join:2002-06-03
Louisiana

Tuners

It should be banned for still having 3 tuners. It should have never came with only 3 in the first place. 3 tuners to record and share with all the rooms in your house. Ha!

They sound like Apple now. Slap a few pieces of old tech in it (Sling, Nomad, and Wifi), slap a new marketing blitz on it and call it revolutionary and a first!

cdru
Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7

Re: Tuners

said by digiblur:

They sound like Apple now. Slap a few pieces of old tech in it (Sling, Nomad, and Wifi), slap a new marketing blitz on it and call it revolutionary and a first!

Please point to all the previous Dish tuners that can do the same thing. Or any cable box/satellite receiver.

Hall
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Germantown, OH
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Come on digiblur, in the real world, most people's lives don't center on TV 90% of the day, nor do most people have 4, 5, 6, or more TVs. We have (2) TVs connected to one Hopper and one Joey and admittedly, it's only been 2-3 weeks, but have not yet encountered a conflict.

Outside of Satguys, I've never read/heard complaints about the lack of sufficient tuners.

FFH5
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Tavistock NJ
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Re: Tuners

said by Hall:

Come on digiblur, in the real world, most people's lives don't center on TV 90% of the day, nor do most people have 4, 5, 6, or more TVs.

There aren't 6 shows on TV at the same time worth recording. And even with households with many people and many TVs, recording 30 hours of TV a night, nobody is going to watch all those shows. Most of what is being recorded will never be watched.
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digiblur
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Louisiana
said by Hall:

Come on digiblur, in the real world, most people's lives don't center on TV 90% of the day, nor do most people have 4, 5, 6, or more TVs. We have (2) TVs connected to one Hopper and one Joey and admittedly, it's only been 2-3 weeks, but have not yet encountered a conflict.

Outside of Satguys, I've never read/heard complaints about the lack of sufficient tuners.

Typical 4 TV family here. If we had one Hopper it wouldn't last one evening before I would throw it out the window. The two bedrooms would fire up some live TV and that only leaves one tuner left. If the primetime thing was on then there would be zero tuners left in the house for live and/or recording. No thanks.

People don't understand the 3 tuner thing as they are unaware that the other rooms steal their tuner from the hopper.
Badonkadonk
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Re: Tuners

I don't know. I was pretty aware that was happening and the DISH people also were pretty clear in explaining that.

Viewing habits are VERY household-centric. For us, 2 Hoppers are enough. If I keep DISH, I may add a 3rd Hopper, but that seems overkill. Our household seems to do fine with 6 tuners since it's mostly 2 TVs that get watched on any kind of regular basis. The other ones are mostly occasional use. Typically no more than 3 tuners are ever wacthed at the same time, if that many even. So that leaves plenty for recording.

But I can see where it wouldn't be enough if you have TVs in kids' bedrooms. We don't allow that, so 2 Hoppers is enough.
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PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD
said by digiblur:

said by Hall:

Come on digiblur, in the real world, most people's lives don't center on TV 90% of the day, nor do most people have 4, 5, 6, or more TVs. We have (2) TVs connected to one Hopper and one Joey and admittedly, it's only been 2-3 weeks, but have not yet encountered a conflict.

Outside of Satguys, I've never read/heard complaints about the lack of sufficient tuners.

Typical 4 TV family here. If we had one Hopper it wouldn't last one evening before I would throw it out the window. The two bedrooms would fire up some live TV and that only leaves one tuner left. If the primetime thing was on then there would be zero tuners left in the house for live and/or recording. No thanks.

People don't understand the 3 tuner thing as they are unaware that the other rooms steal their tuner from the hopper.

In homes with more than three televisions, Dish installs two hopper units...

Four tvs = two hoppers and two joeys.

Hall
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Re: Tuners

Technically, I believe one Hopper can support four Joeys. If Dish automatically gives people two of each, they're admitting a design shortcoming.
Badonkadonk
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Re: Tuners

But doesn't it really depend on the particular household's usage?

Hall
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Re: Tuners

How many questions does Dish have to ask when signing someone up ? If the customer makes a mistake in the info they give, they could regret it real quick. If they simply ask "how many TVs do you want connected?", they should cover the worst-case scenario of that many TVs needing unique viewing capabilities all the time.

PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD
said by Hall:

Technically, I believe one Hopper can support four Joeys. If Dish automatically gives people two of each, they're admitting a design shortcoming.

It can, but as we know, there will be problems

PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD
said by Hall:

Technically, I believe one Hopper can support four Joeys. If Dish automatically gives people two of each, they're admitting a design shortcoming.

It can, but, as we know, there will be problems

PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD
said by Hall:

Technically, I believe one Hopper can support four Joeys. If Dish automatically gives people two of each, they're admitting a design shortcoming.

It can, but, as we know, there will be problems.

PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD
said by Hall:

Technically, I believe one Hopper can support four Joeys. If Dish automatically gives people two of each, they're admitting a design shortcoming.

It can, but, as we know, there will be usability problems.
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tc1uscg

join:2005-03-09
Clinton Township, MI
I have 2 dual tuner DVR's. I find it fits our needs just fine. When we want to watch something and both tuners are busy, we have to watch whats already recorded or the roku. It's not a tuff choice.
johnner1999

join:2008-12-27
Litchfield
Well it can record 6 shows at once every day between 8pm and 11pm (4 local national feeds, plus 2 normal channels) that's one 1 more than the Genie

Hall
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Germantown, OH
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Re: Tuners

Add the OTA module and make it (7) shows.

Also, and I'm not sure how to force it, but with the most recent s/w vS234, the (4) big networks (ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC) often show up as available outside of primetime hours. It's the PTAT feature available all of the time.

MovieLover76

join:2009-09-11
kudos:1
Most cable and FiOS dvrs still come with only two, not sure what your so indignant about it only having 3. I only have two in my FiOS dvr, I'd love 3 I think that would solve 99% of my conflicts.

Hall
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Re: Tuners

said by MovieLover76:

Most cable and FiOS dvrs still come with only two, not sure what your so indignant about it only having 3.

Most cable/FIOS DVRs are only connected to (1) TV. In that setup, it's fine - you can watch one program while something else records.

The Dish DVR being discussed is a "whole-home-DVR". The main unit has (3) tuners and can feed up to (4) client units, so up to (5) TVs total. Each TV would be restricted in being able to watch (5) different, LIVE channels.

tc1uscg

join:2005-03-09
Clinton Township, MI
said by digiblur:

It should be banned for still having 3 tuners. It should have never came with only 3 in the first place. 3 tuners to record and share with all the rooms in your house. Ha!

They sound like Apple now. Slap a few pieces of old tech in it (Sling, Nomad, and Wifi), slap a new marketing blitz on it and call it revolutionary and a first!

Why not. Apple does it and suckers buy into it.
tpkatl

join:2009-11-16
Dacula, GA

Same old struggle: Big Media versus technology

This isn't really news, in any sense of the world. It is only another skirmish in the long-standing (and never ending) battle between the so-called content providers (CBS and the big media corporations) and the consumer technology world.

It's another example of the purveyors of last century's business model holding back technology progress in the face of advances in customer service and satisfaction.

Some day - although I doubt it will be soon - the big media companies will come to the realization that serving customer needs and wants is going to be a better approach than standing in the way of technology. They will only realize that when their intransigence begins to cost them money.
NOVA_UAV_Guy
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Re: Same old struggle: Big Media versus technology

said by tpkatl:

Some day - although I doubt it will be soon - the big media companies will come to the realization that serving customer needs and wants is going to be a better approach than standing in the way of technology. They will only realize that when their intransigence begins to cost them money.

That last sentence is dead on accurate. The only thing these corporations understand - or care about - is money. Their "leadership" (if you can call it that - I think of it more as "failureship" in certain instances) will only request a course correction when it directly affects the bonus they receive. In the meantime technology, public want, and public interest is forced to take a back seat.

Though I don't obviously condone it, perhaps those who pirate television and movie content, ripping commercials from it and redistributing, inadvertently make a good point and help to bring about positive social change. If enough people simply stopped watching/spending and turned to alternative sources of entertainment, large companies like CBS would be forced into changing their business model.

Unfortunately, CBS just promotes more of the same perpetual failure with its opposition to technology like this. They should have learned something with the failed court cases against VCRs in the '80s but didn't. If their management and legal department wasn't filled with "special ed" cases perhaps that would've happened.

What's so "illegal" or "infringing" about developing a technology that allows people to skip over commercials anyway? That's essentially what we all do when we click the "30 second skip" button on our DVRs today.

BTW, automatic commercial skipping is hardly new technology... I had a couple ReplayTV boxes from the early 2000s that automatically skipped commercials on recorded programs. IIRC, the industry bullied them into changing their software too through various lawsuits. The entertainment industry needs to start being presented to America as it really is - a bunch of bullies and thugs who whine and cry like 5 years who just lost at "Chutes and Ladders" when they don't get their way.

nitemare

join:2000-05-11
Klamath Falls, OR

1 recommendation

as usual...

trying to censor stuff just makes people want it more. yay, Streisand effect!

cableties
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1 recommendation

CBS owns CNET?

Well, CNET just lost credibility with me.

"Dear Felicia Dey,
I loved you. But when I found that your shows are being plugged by CNET, owned by CBS, I no longer feel the same inside."
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TwiztedZero
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2 recommendations

Re: CBS owns CNET?

CBS is just another greedy #CorportateCow. Its time to take it out to pasture.

jduffy
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Cincinnati, OH

Re: CBS owns CNET?

Greed is good. It drives innovation.

Lark3po
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said by cableties:

Well, CNET just lost credibility with me.

"Dear Felicia Dey,
I loved you. But when I found that your shows are being plugged by CNET, owned by CBS, I no longer feel the same inside."

Agreed.

tschmidt
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Yea I did not realize that either. I'll have to think twice before I use the information in any of their reviews.

Regardless of the merits in this case it dramatically exposes the dangers of media consolidation on society. Rather then having a huge number of different sources, each with their own strength, weaknesses, and biases we have a few mega corporations pulling the strings.

/tom
Kearnstd
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Re: CBS owns CNET?

And yet the FTC continues to allow consolidation.

FarmerBob

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said by cableties:

Well, CNET just lost credibility with me. . . .

CNET lost its credibility a long time ago. When reviews, subject matter and product articles started to become clearly "selective and biased". And reader comments started to point this out en masse. So when Clayton said that he looked forward to CNET's "Unbiased" review, I just had to laugh at either his complete ignorance/naivete or his blatant schmoozing. All he was looking for was best of show in a forum that has enough sheeple to add to his bottom line.

tc1uscg

join:2005-03-09
Clinton Township, MI

Re: CBS owns CNET?

said by FarmerBob:

said by cableties:

Well, CNET just lost credibility with me. . . .

CNET lost its credibility a long time ago. When reviews, subject matter and product articles started to become clearly "selective and biased". And reader comments started to point this out en masse. So when Clayton said that he looked forward to CNET's "Unbiased" review, I just had to laugh at either his complete ignorance/naivete or his blatant schmoozing. All he was looking for was best of show in a forum that has enough sheeple to add to his bottom line.

Agreed. They are the online form of consumer reports. They use to be the goto people for tech reviews but now, I get better intel from Amazon or ebay.

FarmerBob

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Re: CBS owns CNET?

said by tc1uscg:

Agreed. They are the online form of consumer reports. They use to be the goto people for tech reviews but now, I get better intel from Amazon or ebay.

CNET was my go to place for info. Then especially when the new site hit, it was very apparent that there was something strange going on at the CircleK. I too find that I get more usable information from Amazon and eBay customer reviews. Looks like a good portion of these forums are becoming very skewed. Too bad.
Kearnstd
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the only way to get truly impartial reviews of gear and software is to pretty much have a subscription site.

because you could not have advertising without pressure from the advertisers to give their stuff a positive review. It is why most gaming publications are crap(print and internet), They do not want to lose the ad dollars so they do not piss in any pools even if a game is so terrible it makes ET on Atari look like Final Fantasy 6(aka 3 on the SNES).
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jseymour

join:2009-12-11
Waterford, MI

De Nile

CBS is simply reinforcing the fact that they're stuck in the past and completely in denial about the state of technology. If the thing is really that good the word will get out, and all they'll accomplish by attempting to suppress it is give it more lift.

What CBS and the others should be doing is figuring out how to leverage all this new technology to retain, or even enhance, their position. Instead they seem bound and determined to let it run over them.

The railroads tried that with the budding airline industry, lo these many years ago. Look how that worked out for them.

Jim

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@sbcglobal.net

CNET and lost respect

Guess I'll have to join others in my loss of respect for CNET. If they can't be objective, truthful and unbiased in their reviews and recommends then they are WORTHLESS to a more and more discerning public which has unfortunately has long way to go (still) in being educated in technology and it's pros and cons. I include myself in that category which is why I am saddened that CNET is yet another shill tool.

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IowaCowboy
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My cable provider is a broadcaster

I have Comcast (who owns NBC/Universal) and I don't see this comming to their DVRs. They may someday develop a feature where you cannot fast-forward commercials. If that happens, I'll put my TiVOs back in. I just got the CC DVR so I could get the AnyRoom (which was a free upgrade with my new triple play bundle).
rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO

CBS Litigation Excuse

I don't understand the CBS excuse. The technical merits of a device or an editorial opinion about being good for consumers should not affect the litigation involving whether or not ad-skipping and remote streaming is legal or is harming CBS.

This just smells like an Eric Cartman response. "Screw you guys, I'm going home." (and I'm taking my toys with me).
Badonkadonk
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Commercial Skipping

We had DISH installed just a few weeks ago. Two Hoppers and six Joeys. Seems to be working fine so far. I'm still undecided as to whether I like DISH, but it's not too bad and I'm in for the two year commitment.

I know the commercial skip thing is what's gotten up CBS' bum, but I have to say it's a great feature that's not really been implemented that well. Sure, there's some convenience there, but my ReplayTVs did it better and for all shows. With DISH, it's only for the PTAT shows and the commercials actually run for several seconds before the skip kicks in.

CBS are morons.
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IowaCowboy
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Re: Commercial Skipping

I hope you don't have any problems with Dish, their customer service is poor. Different people have different experiences. My aunt lives in rural Washington state and she has Dish and she says she never had any problems. I've heard complaints about DirecTV and I had good experiences myself but it was cheaper just to get TV through Comcast since I have my Internet and phone through them anyways. Comcast is the only viable Internet in town (other than VZ DSL) so it is cheaper to bundle TV with them. Plus, you get more locals on Comcast here as they carry the Boston and Hartford stations where satellite only carries the Springfield (MA) stations only.
Badonkadonk
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Re: Commercial Skipping

With all the discounts and such, DISH is relatively cheaper over the two year period for me compared to Comcast (not including the price increase this year). Even including the bundle discount. We have to feed 8 TVs, so Comcast equipment charges add up to quite a bit.

DISH On-Demand blows goats, but we get more TVs covered and with the higher storage on the DVRs, we don't miss OD too much. Also, being able to stream DLNA content from my HTPC media server to any of the TVs in the house is a big plus.

I haven't had to call for help, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed there.
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ISurfTooMuch

join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL

CNET completely ignores this news

I just looked at NEWS.COM, CNET's tech news site, and there's no mention of any of this. So, not only is CBS telling them not to give the Hopper an award or review Dish products in the future, but they're not even reporting on this fact.

Banning awards and reviews is bad enough, but pretending that it didn't even happen is even worse, IMHO.
silbaco
Premium
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USA

Not unusual.

This kind of thing happens everyday within large corporations. You just don't hear about it.

As mentioned the ongoing lawsuit is reason enough for this. It would be plain stupid not to.

IowaCowboy
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Carriage disputes

One of the TV stations (KCRG-TV) is in the middle of a carriage dispute with Dish. I am wondering if the Hopper is the sticking point into why it is currently blacked out. Maybe KCRG wants more because of the hopper.

I just fast forward the commercials, you could do the same thing back in the '90s with videotape. I cannot count how many times I've taped Home Improvement. And if you were taping it while it was broadcasting, you could pause the VCR during the commercials so they would not eat up the tape. Most tapes went up to two hours although some went up to 2 1/2 hours.

DVRs are nice but you can't pause the recording for commercials so those do eat up valuable space on your hard drive.
Zoder

join:2002-04-16
Miami, FL

Firewall

I thought the major networks have a firewall between their entertainment and news divisions for just this reason. Or does this only apply to their network news and not their internet properties?
Kearnstd
Space Elf
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Re: Firewall

Likely only their primary news branches since those are seen by regulators as official information outlets.

Sites like CNET have been compromised by their sponsors and ownership for awhile now.

if you are a technology vendor and a huge sponsor of a site like CNET, you can bet management will never allow a totally burning review of your products.
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djcrazy
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Wow.

You mean to tell me there are actually people who watch CBS outside of maybe the NFL games? As for CNET, it was obvious years ago they are biased and favor their advertisers. That would be similar to a situation where this site would be bought up and run by Comcast LOL.
Happydude32
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Re: Wow.

Yes, in fact millions and millions do. Like they advertise, CBS is America’s Most Watched Network. Posting links showing the dominance of CBS over the other networks in terms of viewership wouldn’t give a fair perspective because you have to factor in that just about all of the primetime shows got back from Christmas break, and you have some NCAA Bowl games in the mix. But when the Neilson numbers are in from normal weeks, you can see how CBS destroys the other network. Big Bang Theory is the hottest show on TV right now
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mgamer20o0

join:2003-12-01
Norwalk, CA

1 recommendation

screw you!!!

i am taking my ball and going home...........

seems like some never grow up....

Ellidor

@comcast.net

CBS lost me as a customer

I am writing this because I am extremely dissatisfied with CBS decision to silence CNET on the review and best in class decision for the Dish Network Hopper. I am not a Dish Network user nor do I own a Hopper. We live in America the land of the free. This means that we have freedom on press, and freedom of speech. The CNET staff had reviewed and determined that the hopper was the Best in Class product and earned the editor’s Choice Award. CNS made a blanket statement that there is an ongoing litigation and that this is illegal and this is why it was removed. In America is it not innocent until proven guilty by the court of law. CNET I went to for unbiased profession reviews. I expected that they would deliver accurate and honest information. Learning that CNET my favorite review site is not censoring their own reviewers is complete nonsense. I live in America not China, business or not it is incorrect to silence an unbiased reviewing website. I don't care if CBD or if the president himself were to own the CNET review site. This site is built on unbiased professional reviews. I believe that until the United States Court states that the Hopper is Illegal CBS has absolutely NO BUSINESS at all silencing unbiased reviews on products be is the Hopper or any other product which might have ongoing litigations.

I noticed that the Samsung Galaxy still is reviews on CNET and according to Apple they are illegal. I notice that Apple is still being reviewed on your site with their IPHONE even though Motorola has an ongoing lawsuit with Apple over some stolen technology. If CBS is going to promote censorship then they need to sensor every product not just those that conflict with their own agenda. Please remember this is America; which stands for Freedom of Speech, News, and Press. This doesn't mean that you can go silence your own editors just because you feel that it’s against your own financial gain.
wizbang_fl

join:2013-03-30
Fort Lauderdale, FL

Alas, CNET has lost it's edge in the past 2 years.

Although CNET has been well known for it's programming, I must confess I am now VERY skeptical about any of their reviews or website. They routinely do not update information or archive reviews that are over 4 years out of date. When an OS is updated it to is many times overlooked.

From my point of view they are too busy trying to generate ad-sense revenue to give a proper review of products. A recent review of the program "little snitch" is a perfect example. They just don't seem to have it together and appear satisfied with that.