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Comments on news posted 2013-01-11 12:27:13: With the entertainment industry's oft-delayed "six strikes" anti-piracy plan finally very close to launch, some ISPs have been willing to talk a little about the new steps they'll be taking to thwart pirates on their networks. ..

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Angrychair

join:2000-09-20
Jacksonville, FL
Reviews:
·Comcast
reply to keef

Re: Contract Change?

said by keef :

I don't pirate stuff, but does anyone know if this will make Verizon change their contract terms with customers (as in customers having to re-commit or reject the contract changes)?

Awww, that's sweet. You think that you have any sort of recourse besides cancelling your monopoly service provider.

Just so you know, I can't ever recall a terms of use agreement that didn't allow them to simply change it on their own whim whenever they felt like it with no need for your consent.


MovieLover76

join:2009-09-11
kudos:1
reply to ITALIAN926

Re: Is this some kind of joke?

It may be slightly problematic, but not as much as you think.
With the crazy pricing structures and promotional plans, tv doesn't cost much more when compared to only subscribing to internet service. It's only $30 more for me to get the full triple play with a whole home dvr and a hd box.

I have their phone service mostly because if you downgrade to the double play and forget phone, it actually costs $10 more because I lose all of my dvr and box savings. their plans are designed to make you get the triple play and if you get internet only your suffering with a much less convenient tv watching experience compared to piracy and their still getting most of the money as internet by itself is extremely expensive as a stand alone product.



ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2

Promotions are temporary. What % of cable TV customers do you believe are in promotions? They make their money when promotions are up.



ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
reply to Kamus

Re: This is gonna blow up on their face...

... nothing to worry about if people follow the laws.



MovieLover76

join:2009-09-11
kudos:1
reply to ITALIAN926

Re: Is this some kind of joke?

None of the smart ones lol (just joking), I switch back and forth, or threaten to and get another promotion every time my promotion is up If you don't have alternatives to threaten to leave for it's a different story.

But you have a point most tv subscribers probably are not on a promotion.



MovieLover76

join:2009-09-11
kudos:1
reply to Kulasperu

Re: Who Decides?

It's probably the RIAA/MPAA.
This is their baby.


serge87

join:2009-11-29
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to ITALIAN926

Re: This is gonna blow up on their face...

said by ITALIAN926:

... nothing to worry about if people follow the laws.

if it still exists a year after it's introduced I'll be surprised...


MovieLover76

join:2009-09-11
kudos:1
reply to ITALIAN926

Really? what about if your accused falsely? It costs $35 to prove even have a chance to plead that your innocent.

Seems pretty backwards to me.



TheHelpful1
Premium
join:2002-01-11
Upper Marlboro, MD

1 recommendation

reply to ITALIAN926

said by ITALIAN926:

... nothing to worry about if people follow the laws.

Really? How about the law of due process in the constitution? They are making you pay a fee to prove your innocence when it should be the accuser who should be paying the toll to a court when they have solid, verifiable information. Comments like yours seriously ruffle my feathers.

And remember, this is copyright infringement, not criminal theft (at least until the EI pads enough people in D.C. to re-write the law in their favor). Its a civil matter, like if Mr. C were to chase after Mr. A to tell him to go tell Mr. B to give him his stuff back. Go tell Mr B. yourself A.Hole.

How would you like it if I were to war-drive to your house, crack your wi-fi and download an inordinate amount of data every night while you are sleeping and sit back and laugh as you get throttled down to 256K? There is no check and balance here to make sure the "offender" is the one who is actually offending.
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"My weakness is that I care too much"


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2

Youre gonna crack my WPA2 and my mac filtering? Good luck.



cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7
reply to Angrychair

Re: Is this some kind of joke?

They care about it because it would look bad if they came out and said "We don't care about piracy at all". However they only care a minimal amount because they aren't content producers and ultimately piracy doesn't translate to a lost sale as it does with a movie or record company. Piracy justifies there higher speed packages that they make higher margins off of.

So in a specific sense, Verizon could care less, however in a general and practical sense, Verizon couldn't care less as what they do care is only a fraction above not caring.



ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

Wrong, not only does piracy cause lost TV revenue for Verizon, but those that STEAL obscene amounts of daily data puts them at risk for oversubscription of their CO PON cards, causing slowdowns for everyone.

BPON ~622 Mbps shared by 32 pirates. If all had a 50Mbps plan, well, you do the math.


Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to ITALIAN926

So what you are implying is that people that pirate do so to avoid not paying to watch something. Can you provide proof that those same people would pay to watch the same stuff if it were 100% impossible to get through other means thus making it erode their TV revenues?

In other words, pirates != people that would pay if they had no other options. As a matter of fact, I believe there have been a few things posted that show "pirates" actually spend more money on the things they are accused of pirating than the non-pirates.



The Limit
Premium
join:2007-09-25
Greensboro, NC
kudos:2
reply to ITALIAN926

Yea, about those "lost" profits. Please provide some evidence of that, otherwise it's all bologna.



ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
reply to Skippy25

Look man, I have an Uncle who pirates everything under the sun and cut his TV subscription. Thats one less video customer for Cablevision, and its all the proof I need to back my theory that piracy causes less revenue for the MSO's



cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7
reply to ITALIAN926

said by ITALIAN926:

If all had a 50Mbps plan, well, you do the math.

You can't constantly saturate a 50mbit plan with pirated content. Well, you can, but eventually you are going to run out of disk space, run out of content that's worth watching, just get tired of it, or all the above.

Figure 6 new hollywood releases a week of decent quality averaging 10GB per movie. 6 hours a day of broadcast television averaging around 1GB per hour. That's another 42GB per week for about 100GB total. At 50mbits per second, that's 4½ hours. What are you going to fill the rest of your 163½ hours of the week downloading?

Putting a different way, if you queued up 1000 full length movies averaging 10GB each, and TV 24 hours a day at 1GB/hour, you would have 18TB a year's worth of content in about 5 weeks.

I'm not saying no one can fully utilize a 50mbit connection. But ISPs know what their utilization rates are, and most of those connections, even the ultrafast ones are going idle most of the time. That's why/how Google can sell a gigabit connections for what other cable companies sell their lowest speed connections...because people will occasionally use a lot of it, but most of the time it's nearly idle.


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

In that BPON circumstance, pirates would only have to be using 20Mbps simultaneously for saturation. What to do when pirates are streaming content to multiple TV's in the house? What to do when theyre DL'ing/streaming blu-ray quality bit-rates? Cmon.

Pirates are bad for not only the entertainment industry, but the MSO's as well. "Pirates spend more money on media.. bla bla bla" Yea right. They have so much money they feel the need to STEAL , yea, i said it.


Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to Angrychair

Re: Contract Change?

I think you are confused. They can change anytime they want, but they ALWAYS have to inform you and you ALWAYS have to agree to it.


Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to ITALIAN926

Re: This is gonna blow up on their face...

LOL, you think either of those is that hard to do?

How cute. No wonder you come here arguing the way you do.



TheHelpful1
Premium
join:2002-01-11
Upper Marlboro, MD

Beat me to it


Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to ITALIAN926

Re: Is this some kind of joke?

And my aunts friend has a sister who knows someone that lives down the street that pirates everything under the sun and never had and never will have a TV subscription.

Expand your moderator at work


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to Skippy25

Re: Is this some kind of joke?

It doesnt matter one bit. My conclusive evidence that ONE CUSTOMER "cut the cord" directly because of pirating proves my statement that piracy erodes profits for the MSO's.

FURTHERMORE, Piracy leads to increased carriage fees in which the MSO's have to pay the stations ! Which leads to even more lost customers, and lost revenue.

now keep on skippin'



cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7

said by ITALIAN926:

It doesnt matter one bit. My conclusive evidence that ONE CUSTOMER "cut the cord" directly because of pirating proves my statement that piracy erodes profits for the MSO's.

But if the pirate pays for a $200 broadband package instead of a $50 broadband package and a $100 TV package, is the MSO losing money or profiting on the pirate?


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2

He's not


Kearnstd
Space Elf
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
kudos:1
reply to silbaco

Re: Considering..

Until tier 2 removes the blacklist to score a sale.


serge87

join:2009-11-29
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to The Limit

Re: Is this some kind of joke?

said by The Limit:

Yea, about those "lost" profits. Please provide some evidence of that, otherwise it's all bologna.

Hope you like anecdotes because I smell one coming

Kearnstd
Space Elf
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
kudos:1
reply to Kulasperu

Re: Who Decides?

If Verizon is smart they will open a new revenue stream too. $100,000 per IP address as a fee for DMCA requests.

I wonder if the movie industry would mass accuse then.
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serge87

join:2009-11-29
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to ITALIAN926

Re: Is this some kind of joke?

said by ITALIAN926:

In that BPON circumstance, pirates would only have to be using 20Mbps simultaneously for saturation. What to do when pirates are streaming content to multiple TV's in the house? What to do when theyre DL'ing/streaming blu-ray quality bit-rates? Cmon.

Pirates are bad for not only the entertainment industry, but the MSO's as well. "Pirates spend more money on media.. bla bla bla" Yea right. They have so much money they feel the need to STEAL , yea, i said it.

Not sure if you follow FIOS closely but BPON is yesterday's news. There are no new BPON installations since 2009-2010 and current BPON networks are continuously being upgraded if capacity on BPON is reaching its limit.

Kearnstd
Space Elf
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
kudos:1
reply to ITALIAN926

said by ITALIAN926:

In that BPON circumstance, pirates would only have to be using 20Mbps simultaneously for saturation. What to do when pirates are streaming content to multiple TV's in the house? What to do when theyre DL'ing/streaming blu-ray quality bit-rates? Cmon.

Pirates are bad for not only the entertainment industry, but the MSO's as well. "Pirates spend more money on media.. bla bla bla" Yea right. They have so much money they feel the need to STEAL , yea, i said it.

Terrible example is terrible.

does streaming legal services at the same rate somehow make the saturation go away? Of course it doesnt.
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