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Comments on news posted 2013-01-11 12:27:13: With the entertainment industry's oft-delayed "six strikes" anti-piracy plan finally very close to launch, some ISPs have been willing to talk a little about the new steps they'll be taking to thwart pirates on their networks. ..

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ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
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reply to serge87

Re: Is this some kind of joke?

Nah, I dont follow tech news at all. I used an example of BPON to use actual numbers , the concept applies to ANY architecture, whether its GPON, XPON, DSL or cable.


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
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reply to The Limit
quote:
Oh I see. No hard evidence just OMG THIS GUY I KNOW DOES THIS argument.

Burden of proof is on you. Try again.
WTF are you talking about? Pirating has caused the cable industry to lose about $50 a month (for basic) due to my UNCLE, and his lack of morals. What kind of evidence would you like, for me to turn him in and get a police report? ONE MAN out of MILLIONS COPYRIGHT INFRINGERS having an impact on the MSO's and entertainment industry. Have you even an ounce of common sense? Even if he was the ONLY ONE DOING IT, ITS STILL EVIDENCE OF LOST REVENUE.

tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY
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a game by any other name..

either it's going to make smarter pirates, or it's going to piss off the customer so much they leave..

all of this will be bandied about word of mouth.. so customers might not want to sign up for that 2 year CONTRACT which you trade for a $300 kickback if they're going to do this to you..

going from whack a mole to angry birds... is a game by any other name...


Camelot One
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join:2001-11-21
Greenwood, IN
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reply to 88615298

Re: Considering..

said by 88615298:

said by Camelot One:

said by silbaco:

Could be worse. Could be 3 strikes and you are out like Mediacom. For life.

Well, since after the 6th strike, they do absolutely nothing, cutting it to 3 strikes would actually be better for the repeat offender accused.

yes because totally innocent people will be falsely accused 6 consecutive times.

I'm sure that was meant sarcastically, but I absolutely believe it will happen. Setting aside the technical complications in proving who downloaded a given file, the MPAA has proven time and again that they will claim rights they do not have.
»arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013···onsgate/

Even after being singled out by the US Copyright Office for being a shining example of fair use, the guy is STILL fighting to keep his videos up. Do you honestly believe the automated file-a-strike system they plan to use isn't going to repeatedly flag content they don't have the rights?

serge87

join:2009-11-29
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reply to ITALIAN926

Re: Is this some kind of joke?

said by ITALIAN926:

Nah, I dont follow tech news at all. I used an example of BPON to use actual numbers , the concept applies to ANY architecture, whether its GPON, XPON, DSL or cable.

Sorry, but XGPON would NOT be saturated as all 32 users wouldn't be able to max out even if they all subscribed to the 300mb plan and cranked it 100% simultaneously.

serge87

join:2009-11-29
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reply to 88615298

Re: This is gonna blow up on their face...

said by 88615298:

Most neighbors I have are pretty stupid when it comes to technical things.

Just answered your own question And that's why people will get copyright notices because as you say they're too stupid to setup WPA2 or secure their network.


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
reply to serge87

Re: Is this some kind of joke?

Really? And all of a sudden file size has limit. Interesting. XPON wouldnt be limited to 300 Mbps anyway.

Dont you think that stolen files get larger as pipes grow?

Trencher

join:2007-02-12
Etobicoke, ON
reply to cdru
*SUPER MEGA LIKE* lol... You hit the nail on the head!

Trencher

join:2007-02-12
Etobicoke, ON
reply to ITALIAN926
Did he raise his internet speed? I pirate all the time.. but I also spend about $3000 a year on video games and movies... I go to the movie theater often... I also have a TV provider... but as I say.. I pirate all the time...

Trencher

join:2007-02-12
Etobicoke, ON
reply to 88615298
If I download a movie that I had no intention of watching if I hadn't downloaded it... was it really a lost sale?
Expand your moderator at work


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
reply to Trencher

Re: Is this some kind of joke?

Wow, I spend about $5000 a year in gasoline, thanks for telling me that logically I should be able to fill up and run off without paying; on occasion. I'll use your logic as my defense when I get caught.

serge87

join:2009-11-29
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reply to ITALIAN926
said by ITALIAN926:

Really? And all of a sudden file size has limit. Interesting. XPON wouldnt be limited to 300 Mbps anyway.

Dont you think that stolen files get larger as pipes grow?

I am not sure I understand what you mean by file size(?)

With XGPON(or 10G-PON) at the current Quantum speed plan levels released just a few months ago, if all 32 users subscribed to the 300Mbps plan it would still leave 640Mbps of unallocated download bandwidth. At 64 users, it would allocate 160Mbps per user if split equally.

However, you are right that there probably will be higher speed plans if XGPON is implemented. Verizon's CEO just recently stated a possible 1Gbps in the works for the future. On my 300Mbps plan, I currently use 60-100 Terabytes per month and would greatly benefit from a 1Gbps line. Thankfully all my use is 100% legal so this anti-piracy program will not affect me.


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
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As the internet world is supplied with bigger pipes, larger file sizes for legit and stolen video will get larger. This includes the video offerings for the MSO's as well to eventually provide 1080p and beyond (for 4k , 8k HDTV's) via IPTV. So I have no idea what kind of file sizes are traded on torrents and such, but I highly doubt its a fully uncompressed Blu-Ray movie.

60-100 Terabytes? WTF? lol

My DVR has a 1 TB hard drive with 65 hours of 1080i HD video , and is HALF full. 60-100 TB's? I just cant comprehend.

serge87

join:2009-11-29
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said by ITALIAN926:

As the internet world is supplied with bigger pipes, larger file sizes for legit and stolen video will get larger. This includes the video offerings for the MSO's as well to eventually provide 1080p and beyond (for 4k , 8k HDTV's) via IPTV. So I have no idea what kind of file sizes are traded on torrents and such, but I highly doubt its a fully uncompressed Blu-Ray movie.

60-100 Terabytes? WTF? lol

My DVR has a 1 TB hard drive with 65 hours of 1080i HD video , and is HALF full. 60-100 TB's? I just cant comprehend.

I get that reaction a lot But I wouldn't be paying $220/month if I wasn't going to use it to its potential. It would be like a soccer mom buying a Ferrari for weekend grocery shopping LOL

I believe 4K resolution would take roughly 20-25Mbps, not much relatively speaking if you consider Verizon's FIOS offerings. Is there any premium TV or movie channel that even streams at true 1080p/24fps? Most are 720p60 or 1080i because the higher quality 1080p/24 stream is seen as inefficient use of limited customer bandwidth.

serge87

join:2009-11-29
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reply to Xioden
said by Xioden:

Sounds to me like they need to upgrade their infrastructure then if it often isn't able to actually provide full service to all subscribers in that area.

What do you call the rollout of GPON then ?


Xioden
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An upgrade that they obviously need to hurry up and actually deploy to said oversubscribed node.


MxxCon

join:1999-11-19
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reply to gaforces

Re: Much lawsuites incoming

Whoever pays the bill is fully responsible for what happens on their connection.
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MxxCon

join:1999-11-19
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reply to Kulasperu

Re: Who Decides?

They'll be using company called "MarkMonitor". They'll be doing some fancy fingerprinting hashing bs.
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MxxCon

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Brooklyn, NY

Arbitrate but lose?

So what happens if you challenge this bullshit accusation in their bullshit arbitration circus and lose that challenge? What will happen then?
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88615298
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join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to Trencher

Re: Is this some kind of joke?

That's not the point. If I sneak into an empty theater to see a movie I had no intention on paying for anyway am I costing the theater anything? Nope. Is it right to do? Nope. Why should my lack of wanting to pay still entitle me to see the movie? Same thing with downloading. If you are supposed to pay and you don't want to then you don't get to see the content, PERIOD. Doesn't matter if it's costing the profit or not.

Trencher

join:2007-02-12
Etobicoke, ON
Slight problem with your analogy... If you go to a theatre and the movies sold out and you sneak in.. Taking a paying customers seat from them then yes you ripped off the theater... If you go and sit in the movie and there are 50 seats free then in reality you didn't steal anything at all and may have actually made the theater some money if you bought a drink.

My point was I'm not technically taking anything away from the ppl who made the film if I download it and watch something I never planned on paying for in the 1st place... If I like it I may even go out and buy the Blu-ray or tell a friend about it which may make another sale... Piracy isn't all about "stealing". If it wasn't for tape trading in the 80s Metallica would never of blown up as big as they did... Which is why fans backlashed at the whole napster thing.

Trencher

join:2007-02-12
Etobicoke, ON
reply to 88615298
What's the point of making something if no one goes to see it... If someone makes a film and no ones willing to pay to see it, was it really worth making? Film is an art to be enjoyed... Some pieces of Art you want to own to keep for yourself and others you just admire and enjoy. Did the person who just admired it from afar just "steal" that art because they didn't pay to look at it? Or did the artist do what he intended and be seen by as many people as possible.

As an ex film maker I like to think I made movies for the art and not the paycheck.


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
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reply to Trencher
You have got to be kidding. Is this really how pirates think and justify what they do. Absolutely hysterical.

silbaco
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join:2009-08-03
USA
reply to Kearnstd

Re: Considering..

said by Kearnstd:

Until tier 2 removes the blacklist to score a sale.

I do know of a circumstance where that happened. Mediacom found out in a matter of a week. The company policy is extremely aggressive, but it has proven fairly effective. Most of the people I know who pirated on Mediacom changed their habits after 1 strike. They either stopped pirating or started using a VPN.

Trencher

join:2007-02-12
Etobicoke, ON
reply to ITALIAN926

Re: Is this some kind of joke?

Digital socialism... Isn't it grand!?

Do you work in the industry or do you just like the smell of your own farts?

Trencher

join:2007-02-12
Etobicoke, ON
reply to ITALIAN926
Facts tend to lean in my favor... Us "pirates" spend more money in the entertainment/digital industry then those who don't.

bushleaguer

join:2007-01-22
Gillette, NJ
reply to MxxCon

Re: Arbitrate but lose?

said by MxxCon:

So what happens if you challenge this bullshit accusation in their bullshit arbitration circus and lose that challenge? What will happen then?

According to the article, after the 6th "strike" then Verizon could be forced to turn over your identity (via your IP address) from a court order so that the copyright holder can pursue legal action. This is not guaranteed, but it is odd that after a 6th strike nothing happens.

What I can't stand about this is the presumption of guilt. I don't buy the "if you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about" argument. I wouldn't know how to torrent if I tried but I don't want some documentation error resulting in my receiving e-mails and phone calls alleging that I'm an internet pirate. The companies making these allegations should have to prove the allegation is some form or fashion.

bushleaguer

join:2007-01-22
Gillette, NJ
reply to 88615298

Re: This is gonna blow up on their face...

said by 88615298:

It costs $35 to prove even have a chance to plead that your innocent.

Seems pretty backwards to me.

if you get accused of crime to you not have to pay bail and pay for a lawyer?

How about speeding tickets. I get a ticket saying I MUST pay and yet I have even been to court to prove my innocence. The cop is being judge and jury and handing out sentence.

Copyright infringement is not a crime - it is a civil offense between two parties.

As an aside - when you get a speeding ticket you have to sign it but signing it is not an admission of guilt - you have to go to court and enter a plea and proceed from there. You don't have to pay the court a fee to prove your innocence.

andre2

join:2005-08-24
Brookline, MA

DSL Extreme

Is DSL Extreme going to be involved in this? They keep logs for only 2 weeks as opposed to Verizon's 18 months. They also allow new dry loop DSL signups, in case Verizon tries to enforce this selectively as an excuse to get rid of DSL customers.