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Comments on news posted 2013-01-11 12:27:13: With the entertainment industry's oft-delayed "six strikes" anti-piracy plan finally very close to launch, some ISPs have been willing to talk a little about the new steps they'll be taking to thwart pirates on their networks. ..

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88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to Trencher

Re: Is this some kind of joke?

That's not the point. If I sneak into an empty theater to see a movie I had no intention on paying for anyway am I costing the theater anything? Nope. Is it right to do? Nope. Why should my lack of wanting to pay still entitle me to see the movie? Same thing with downloading. If you are supposed to pay and you don't want to then you don't get to see the content, PERIOD. Doesn't matter if it's costing the profit or not.


Trencher

join:2007-02-12
Etobicoke, ON

Slight problem with your analogy... If you go to a theatre and the movies sold out and you sneak in.. Taking a paying customers seat from them then yes you ripped off the theater... If you go and sit in the movie and there are 50 seats free then in reality you didn't steal anything at all and may have actually made the theater some money if you bought a drink.

My point was I'm not technically taking anything away from the ppl who made the film if I download it and watch something I never planned on paying for in the 1st place... If I like it I may even go out and buy the Blu-ray or tell a friend about it which may make another sale... Piracy isn't all about "stealing". If it wasn't for tape trading in the 80s Metallica would never of blown up as big as they did... Which is why fans backlashed at the whole napster thing.


Trencher

join:2007-02-12
Etobicoke, ON
reply to 88615298

What's the point of making something if no one goes to see it... If someone makes a film and no ones willing to pay to see it, was it really worth making? Film is an art to be enjoyed... Some pieces of Art you want to own to keep for yourself and others you just admire and enjoy. Did the person who just admired it from afar just "steal" that art because they didn't pay to look at it? Or did the artist do what he intended and be seen by as many people as possible.

As an ex film maker I like to think I made movies for the art and not the paycheck.



ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
reply to Trencher

You have got to be kidding. Is this really how pirates think and justify what they do. Absolutely hysterical.


silbaco
Premium
join:2009-08-03
USA
reply to Kearnstd

Re: Considering..

said by Kearnstd:

Until tier 2 removes the blacklist to score a sale.

I do know of a circumstance where that happened. Mediacom found out in a matter of a week. The company policy is extremely aggressive, but it has proven fairly effective. Most of the people I know who pirated on Mediacom changed their habits after 1 strike. They either stopped pirating or started using a VPN.

Trencher

join:2007-02-12
Etobicoke, ON
reply to ITALIAN926

Re: Is this some kind of joke?

Digital socialism... Isn't it grand!?

Do you work in the industry or do you just like the smell of your own farts?


Trencher

join:2007-02-12
Etobicoke, ON
reply to ITALIAN926

Facts tend to lean in my favor... Us "pirates" spend more money in the entertainment/digital industry then those who don't.


bushleaguer

join:2007-01-22
Gillette, NJ
reply to MxxCon

Re: Arbitrate but lose?

said by MxxCon:

So what happens if you challenge this bullshit accusation in their bullshit arbitration circus and lose that challenge? What will happen then?

According to the article, after the 6th "strike" then Verizon could be forced to turn over your identity (via your IP address) from a court order so that the copyright holder can pursue legal action. This is not guaranteed, but it is odd that after a 6th strike nothing happens.

What I can't stand about this is the presumption of guilt. I don't buy the "if you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about" argument. I wouldn't know how to torrent if I tried but I don't want some documentation error resulting in my receiving e-mails and phone calls alleging that I'm an internet pirate. The companies making these allegations should have to prove the allegation is some form or fashion.

bushleaguer

join:2007-01-22
Gillette, NJ
reply to 88615298

Re: This is gonna blow up on their face...

said by 88615298:

It costs $35 to prove even have a chance to plead that your innocent.

Seems pretty backwards to me.

if you get accused of crime to you not have to pay bail and pay for a lawyer?

How about speeding tickets. I get a ticket saying I MUST pay and yet I have even been to court to prove my innocence. The cop is being judge and jury and handing out sentence.

Copyright infringement is not a crime - it is a civil offense between two parties.

As an aside - when you get a speeding ticket you have to sign it but signing it is not an admission of guilt - you have to go to court and enter a plea and proceed from there. You don't have to pay the court a fee to prove your innocence.

andre2

join:2005-08-24
Brookline, MA

DSL Extreme

Is DSL Extreme going to be involved in this? They keep logs for only 2 weeks as opposed to Verizon's 18 months. They also allow new dry loop DSL signups, in case Verizon tries to enforce this selectively as an excuse to get rid of DSL customers.


serge87

join:2009-11-29
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to Trencher

Re: Is this some kind of joke?

said by Trencher:

Facts tend to lean in my favor... Us "pirates" spend more money in the entertainment/digital industry then those who don't.

QFT!

I know he probably won't respond to this post but here's some good reading:

Dear RIAA: Pirates Buy More. Full Stop. Deal With It.

Another Day, Another Study That Says 'Pirates' Are The Best Customers... This Time From HADOPI

Music pirates spend more on music than their legal, law-abiding brethren

Go Figure: UK movie pirates spend more at the box office than non-pirates

Interesting how that works out

gruntlord6

join:2010-06-10
Barrie, ON
reply to ITALIAN926

said by ITALIAN926:

He's not

You lose all credibility when you refuse to back your arguments.

gruntlord6

join:2010-06-10
Barrie, ON
reply to ITALIAN926

said by ITALIAN926:

Wow, I spend about $5000 a year in gasoline, thanks for telling me that logically I should be able to fill up and run off without paying; on occasion. I'll use your logic as my defense when I get caught.

None of that was related to the discussion. You are an idiot

gruntlord6

join:2010-06-10
Barrie, ON
reply to 88615298

Re: Punished by Verizon?

said by 88615298:

said by jjoshua:

I need to pay Verizon $60 per month to be punished by them? Screw that.

You're not punished if you're not doing anything wrong.

Because verizon's billing department has proved they do not easily make mistakes.

gruntlord6

join:2010-06-10
Barrie, ON
reply to TSF

Re: Contract Change?

said by TSF :

They notify you by putting a note on your bill that the terms of use are updated, and you agree to it by continuing to subscribe.

You do not, however, have any chance to actually negotiate terms of use or reject new terms in favor of continuing old terms.

You are actually allowed to cancel your contract for free if they changed a term that was originally on it, at least in canada that is how it works.


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
reply to gruntlord6

Re: Is this some kind of joke?

Its absolutely related, and if you cant correlate the two scenarios , YOU are the idiot.



ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to gruntlord6

quote:
You lose all credibility when you refuse to back your arguments.
What the hell are you talking about? United States Laws back my arguments. Stop breaking the law and we wont be having this discussion. There is nothing special about YOU that makes YOU exempt from rules the rest of us follow.
Understand now?
Expand your moderator at work

silbaco
Premium
join:2009-08-03
USA
reply to bushleaguer

Re: This is gonna blow up on their face...

Your ISP is not the court. They are simply doing what DMCA tells them they are permitted to do. You are more than welcome to take them to court and get out of paying that $35, but you are going to spend a lot more than $35 to prove your innocence.


serge87

join:2009-11-29
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to Anon

Re: Is this some kind of joke?

said by ITALIAN926:

quote:
QFT!

I know he probably won't respond to this post but here's some good reading:

The whole "pirates spend more" BS is hillarious. I have like 2000 DVD's and CD's in my collections, if I was like YOU, Id have a tiny percentage of them, if any at all. If the RIAA and MPAA thew in the towel, and all copyright laws were reversed, you make it sound as if this would increase their profits ! lol omg.

I know for the sake of morals, when pirates download an entire Season of Dexter, and like it, they then go out and buy the real thing, not burn their own copy, right? LOL. Not that "liking it" has anything in the world to do with it.

The most Righteous breed of humans in this world are Copyright Infringers, thanks for clearing that up.

I'm not sure where you're getting these conclusions from. I don't watch TV and any movies I want to see(very rarely, hollywood = narcissistic garbage) I go see in theaters, just a couple times a year. My 300Mbps FIOS connection is 99% full 24/7/365, 100% legally so even if I had a reason to download something illegally I wouldn't have enough bandwidth left over LOL.

Try again?

silbaco
Premium
join:2009-08-03
USA
reply to Skippy25

Re: This is gonna blow up on their face...

Have you ever cracked a decent length, strong password WPA2 secured router? I didn't think so. It is hard to do. No, it is nearly impossible to do. If it is not a short, simple password, it is not going to happen.


silbaco
Premium
join:2009-08-03
USA
reply to bushleaguer

Re: Arbitrate but lose?

DMCA allows for the shoot first, ask later mentality of service providers.


serge87

join:2009-11-29
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to silbaco

Re: This is gonna blow up on their face...

said by silbaco:

Have you ever cracked a decent length, strong password WPA2 secured router? I didn't think so. It is hard to do. No, it is nearly impossible to do. If it is not a short, simple password, it is not going to happen.

If the character length is under 7-8 characters it can be cracked in a matter of days if not hours. There have been studies of companies whose password databases were leaked and conclusions drawn from the choice of passwords users selected. From that data it was shown that a large number, if not a majority, had short and sometimes embarrassingly easy passwords.


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

Yes, like I said long ago, good luck cracking MY 30+ character WPA2 w/ MAC filtering. If some loser is intelligent enough to break that, just to illgally download copyright, he should take his talents to the computer industry and get a JOB, so he can afford to not break the law.

IF this was to happen to me, after my first couple notices of violations, I guess Id then have to shutt down my wireless and go cat5. Really wouldnt be a big deal.


serge87

join:2009-11-29
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

said by ITALIAN926:

Yes, like I said long ago, good luck cracking MY 30+ character WPA2 w/ MAC filtering. If some loser is intelligent enough to break that, just to illgally download copyright, he should take his talents to the computer industry and get a JOB, so he can afford to not break the law.

IF this was to happen to me, after my first couple notices of violations, I guess Id then have to shutt down my wireless and go cat5. Really wouldnt be a big deal.

You're part of the under 5% who use passwords longer than 12 characters. The reason why this anti-piracy campaign will fail is because morons who can't make a wifi password other than "12345" or "password"(cat 5, wat iz dat?) are going to be the ones to complain the loudest when they get served piracy notices and their expensive 'Super Fast FIOS' is throttled at just above 56K speeds. Verizon will become overwhelmed with legal battles and ultimately will file it under 'fail'. You heard it here first lol

Trencher

join:2007-02-12
Etobicoke, ON
reply to Anon

Re: Is this some kind of joke?

Ok so you do love the smell of your own farts... Gotcha..

Well then it must of sucked for you when netflix came about eh? Suddenly someone could have access to 100s if not 1000s of movies and tv shows all for $7 a month... Kinda makes your 2000 DVD collection a bit of a waste of space huh? Not mention a waste of money!


serge87

join:2009-11-29
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

said by Trencher:

Ok so you do love the smell of your own farts... Gotcha..

Well then it must of sucked for you when netflix came about eh? Suddenly someone could have access to 100s if not 1000s of movies and tv shows all for $7 a month... Kinda makes your 2000 DVD collection a bit of a waste of space huh? Not mention a waste of money!

I always say that technology will continue to progress dragging those types kicking and screaming into the future whether they like it or not...they still have to right to complain however LOL


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
reply to serge87

Re: This is gonna blow up on their face...

Im sure any notices to customers will include instructions on how to set up their security to WPA2


serge87

join:2009-11-29
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

said by ITALIAN926:

Im sure any notices to customers will include instructions on how to set up their security to WPA2

a.k.a closing the barn door after the horse has escaped.


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to Trencher

Re: Is this some kind of joke?

Actually I tried Netflix, I dropped it after a month because their HD content sucked, and their selection was very limited overall. From what I heard that was the fault of Starz, I dont know how their HD is now, and I dont care to find out. Oh, and Netflix doesnt have all the movies I own.

Have I voiced any opposition to Netflix? Keep to the subject of piracy.