| Ultra HD is Impressive I saw the Sony 84 inch 4K TV and must say that it is a major step forward. By the time my old Sony 36 inch XBR tube type fails I hope the price is down enough for me to consider. Once there is a broadcast system in the US I expect every sports bar to have one.
I am impressed and that does not happen very often. |
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| so how many QAM channels and satellite transponders is that? so how many QAM channels and satellite transponders is that? |
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 skeechanAi OtsukaholicPremium
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kudos:2 | Waste of bandwidth without content A channel that sucks down 40Mb carrying content no one cares about for televisions no one has.
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| Which is exactly what everyone said in 1998 when we were installing $20,000 plasma screens in rich people's houses.
Give it time, it has to start somewhere.
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skeechanAi OtsukaholicPremium
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kudos:2 | It should start with Bluray 4K. |
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Donut
join:2005-06-27
Romulus, MI | reply to skeechan
I agree. Hell we dont even have HD through our Cable Service Provider. It just another way for Cable Providers to make extra cash.
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Not a waste. It's all relative.
In time, the average connection to the home will be 1Gbs. Even a 500Mb/s line will have the over head. Heck, even a 200-300Mb/s line would be fine with room for other services.
Netflix delivers average movie 3-4Mb/s. Since most have 10-20Mb/s modems, its is still a 1/5 of the bandwidth (not talking caps here).
I look forward to when BR is dead, and it all comes down to subscription-streaming and 4K press-on screens! (stick'em on the wall, plug'em in, sync and go!)
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skeechanAi OtsukaholicPremium
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| This is bandwidth no one has in the regular market. DBS and MSOs already compress video to the point it is nearly unwatchable.
If Best Buy wants to grab this channel on a 6' dish to demo TV's, cool, but this has ZERO practical application for anyone not trying to sell a TV.
Even then, stores looking to demo 4K would be better served with a Bluray 4K disc on a loop. |
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 CabalPremium
join:2007-01-21
Austin, TX | reply to Donut
I can't imagine going back to 480i, it's so grainy.
(Side note: Our HD content is free, OTA ATSC.)
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skeechanAi OtsukaholicPremium
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kudos:2 | Nothing so awesomely "grainy" as over-compressed HD. And in my market, OTA HD looks like dog crap. It is like they degrade or over compress it on purpose so that you buy through the MSO or DBS provider (where they get paid for re-transmission). |
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Could a 2 hour 4K movie even fit on a blu-ray disc? |
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skeechanAi OtsukaholicPremium
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| I have seen Sony's new 4K BR player for sale in the B&H Photo Catalog. Quad layer BRD (BDXL) holds 128GB. I would guess that Bluray 4K would use BDXL discs. 4K may not even be "Bluray" since it is just called 4K in the description (unlike "3D Bluray"). Without content though it is little more than an upscaler at this point.
»store.sony.com/p/BDP-S790/en/p/BDPS790 |
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 n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY | reply to Cabal
said by Cabal:I can't imagine going back to 480i, it's so grainy. Sadly that is mostly what I watch. This.TV, Antenna, MeTV and COZI all run classic programming and that is all 480i. The few times I switch back to newer programming, I am floored at the HD clarity.
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skeechanAi OtsukaholicPremium
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kudos:2 | 1-ADAM-12, see the man about an overpriced TV that has no content. |
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I was told that most new digital movies are "4K". If this is the case then the product is there the only issue will be how it is distributed. The question I have is if sports or the porn industry will jump start the technology. I understand that 3D with the 4K system actually works so that is another potential area of interest. As far as those who oppose this technology my first guess is that Apple would be in the front (or back) as they have tried to kill BluRay in the past. Those who see the future as product via cable or DSL may be surprised. I want a quality picture, not some grainy, blocky, over compressed image full of artifacts. The price will come down and more people will buy it. This could make a major dent in the projector market as you can have a large high quality picture in a room with "normal" lighting. |
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join:2002-03-08
Warren, MI | reply to skeechan
There were a handful of Blu-ray players from a few different companies (Sony, Oppo, Panasonic, etc) on display at CES with the ability to upscale to 4K but none of them had the capability to play 4K content off of disc.
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skeechanAi OtsukaholicPremium
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kudos:2 | There isn't any content to be put onto disc. But disc is where 4K content should start. |
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4K Can use any BR disk size but if you put it in the way a movie is intended to be put on a BR disk it will only be 1080p no matter what the disk size is.
The only way 4K will ever be on BR is as a data disk. Which you could do even on a DVD if you wanted to.
Playing it off a BR player will become a problem as bit rate goes up. |
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 vpokoPremium
join:2003-07-03
Boston, MA | reply to skeechan
The problem is that the 4K generation of TV's is also the generation where physical media goes into decline. Besides, it's a lot quicker to use some extra bandwidth on your existing system than wait for a new 4K Blu Ray standard, and then wait for others to manufacture the players and discs. It's more of a proof-of-concept at this point than a serious, commercial venture.
By the way, Blu Ray was a bit late to the HD party, too. |
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HEVC (Hi Efficiency Video Codec) will solve the bitrate issue.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Effic···o_Coding |
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