1 edit | TWC produces the content, so.. I don't see why TWC should be forced to offer what they produce to competitors. I don't think ATT Uverse, Charter, and Surewest have TWC MetroSports in KC. If they do, then Google has a case.
TWC hasn't offered a promo direct against Google yet in KC probably because Google is currently only in 2 fiberhoods in KCK. The rollout will pickup this Spring in both KCK and KCMO fiberhoods and will hit heavily in Summer. TWC doesn't need to make a move until most of rollout is going.
I was able to get a better deal with TWC last month or so after I called about an increase and ready to use SureWest as leverage. My hood doesn't get GFiber until Fall. TWC also bumped up my speed tier at lower rate, but that's apparently happening in a few other markets too.
KC metro is ISP/TV heaven right now in areas that have multiple options and GFiber hasn't really kicked into gear yet. |
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elray
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Santa Monica, CA | Pot. Kettle. Google. If Google was truly serious about competing with TWC, they would offer their TV product for less than $120 a month. |
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| $120/month not too bad since it includes 1Gbit. But they should include voice service. Maybe something like include an Oooma box, which has option to directly setup with Google Voice service. |
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Re: TWC produces the content, so.. BTW, here is the GFiber rollout schedule in both KC's by fiberhood...
KCK...
»fiber.google.com/cities/kck/
KCMO...
»fiber.google.com/cities/kcmo/ |
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ssavoyPremium
join:2007-08-16
Dallas, PA | reply to xenophon
I agree, if it's their station I don't see why they have to allow access to competitors. |
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 morboComplete Your Transaction
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00000 | This issue has already been resolved by the FCC in other markets. TWC will be forced to make these stations available to other providers at reasonable terms. |
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join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | said by morbo:This issue has already been resolved by the FCC in other markets. TWC will be forced to make these stations available to other providers at reasonable terms.
And what is REASONABLE terms? Reasonable to Google or to TWC? And when they can't agree, does the FCC or some court set a price?
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| Google not symmetric? I understood google fiber used GPON. If so, their offering couldn't be symmetric. |
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Re: TWC produces the content, so.. said by xenophon:I don't see why TWC should be forced to offer what they produce to competitors. I don't think ATT Uverse, Charter, and Surewest have TWC MetroSports in KC. If they do, then Google has a case.
TWC hasn't offered a promo direct against Google yet in KC probably because Google is currently only in 2 fiberhoods in KCK. The rollout will pickup this Spring in both KCK and KCMO fiberhoods and will hit heavily in Summer. TWC doesn't need to make a move until most of rollout is going.
I was able to get a better deal with TWC last month or so after I called about an increase and ready to use SureWest as leverage. My hood doesn't get GFiber until Fall. TWC also bumped up my speed tier at lower rate, but that's apparently happening in a few other markets too.
KC metro is ISP/TV heaven right now in areas that have multiple options and GFiber hasn't really kicked into gear yet.
I know that AT&T U-verse does not carry MetroSports. |
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to xenophon
content creation should be broken off of distribution by the government. If you own the network and the content source of course you are not going to sell content to another MSO.
We forced the movie studios to sell off their theaters when the government basically broke up the studio system. But the FTC has no issues letting cable companies own content sources.
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elray
join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA | reply to xenophon
Re: Pot. Kettle. Google. $120 a month for Pay-TV is ridiculous, when the local cable company offers it for $30-50/month. |
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Re: TWC produces the content, so.. 100$ per hour watched would make TWC very happy I'm sure. So if setting their own inflated price is only fair then they could never "officially" cut anyone out of their network shows with high prices? |
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But why? If I create content and want to distribute it on my own system, why should I be stopped or have to distribute it to others?
It's my content, it differentiates my service from others.
DirecTV signs exclusive NFL deals for Sunday Pass, they don't create that content, but they have an exclusive on it.
What makes that more fair to do than a cable company creating or owning their own content and keeping it exclusive?
They're a private business, they should have that choice.
The content is not a necessity in any way. So why should the government be involved? |
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Re: Pot. Kettle. Google. The tv service is $50 on top of the $70 internet. Voice service is a joke. Honestly there are so many VOIP services out there to choose from. You could get ultra cheap to a more expensive reliable service depending on what you wanted. |
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 Steve MehsGun Control Is Using A Steady HandPremium
join:2005-07-16 | reply to Kearnstd
Re: TWC produces the content, so.. said by Kearnstd:content creation should be broken off of distribution by the government. If you own the network and the content source of course you are not going to sell content to another MSO.
We forced the movie studios to sell off their theaters when the government basically broke up the studio system. But the FTC has no issues letting cable companies own content sources.
Why? Who are you and/or the government to say what a company can or cannot sell, or be involved in? Whatever happened to the idea of competition? If Google wants access to these NCAA teams so bad, perhaps they should start their own regional sports network and try to lure those schools away from Metro Sports and broadcast on them on their own RSN. If Metro Sports in KC is anything like the RSN Time Warner has here, it shouldn’t be too hard. TWs RSN has very poor production values and seems like a very low budget operation. But I guess this is indicative of society and the slow process of the pussification of America. Why actually do something when the government is there for you to cry to and bandage every little boo-boo.
But the big example of this is Comcast Sports Net Philadelphia and the terrestrial loophole, that is now closed. I pray to God that channel never winds up on satellite or the government tries to stick it’s nose where it doesn’t belong and tries to force Comcast into offering it to the competition. There is simply no reason to interfere with a business doing what they should do and maximize profit, so long as lives are not at stake. Too bad they caved to Verizon, but hopefully they’ll never cave or be forced to cave to Dish or DirecTV.
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| You do realize it is the government that allows a business to be a business right? They can and do tell businesses what, when and in some cases, at what price they can sell something and to whom.
You believing anything else is just pure silliness on your part. |
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Re: Google not symmetric? Maybe you should doing a little reading to further your understanding. |
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| ? Why is it that when cablevision tried this they got forced to let Verizon pay for it yet time warner does this and they can do what they want? |
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elray
join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA | reply to whiteshp
Re: Pot. Kettle. Google. said by whiteshp:The tv service is $50 on top of the $70 internet. Voice service is a joke. Honestly there are so many VOIP services out there to choose from. You could get ultra cheap to a more expensive reliable service depending on what you wanted.
No, the TV service is $120/month.
You can't buy it for a penny less. |
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| ^Wrong. TV and 1GBit Internet combined is $120. So TV is additional $50..
»fiber.google.com/about/ |
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