 ropeguruPremium
join:2001-01-25
Mechanicsville, VA | Just shows... That no matter how big they are they still do not know how to setup a redundant infrastructure. |
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 nwrickertsand groperPremium,MVM
join:2004-09-04
Geneva, IL
kudos:7
 ·AT&T U-Verse
| said by ropeguru:That no matter how big they are they still do not know how to setup a redundant infrastructure.
I think it's more that they don't know how to setup a redundant infrastructure that doesn't cost money.
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 trparkyApple... YUMPremium,MVM
join:2000-05-24
Cleveland, OH
kudos:2
 ·Time Warner Cable
| Sadly, AT&T has been rather allergic to spending money. They have a bad tendency to only spend it when they absolutely need it. This is more on the wireline side.
The wireless side is another thing all together different. They've been spending a crap ton of cash on their wireless network as of late.
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| I suspect it was widespread power outage failure in their data centers.
And since U-verse is mostly for customers, not business this might be also true as well that they don't consider it to be a critical application.
But what makes me wonder is why it took it more than 1 day. |
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 LinklistPremium
join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | reply to ropeguru
said by ropeguru:That no matter how big they are they still do not know how to setup a redundant infrastructure.
More like they don't know how to successfully backoff a failed server software upgrade quickly.
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 Camelot OnePremium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Greenwood, IN
kudos:1 | reply to chgo_man99
said by chgo_man99:And since U-verse is mostly for customers, not business this might be also true as well that they don't consider it to be a critical application.
I have 3 clients on "business-class AT&T DSL" (oxymoron I know) that have been effected by this outage. Luckily for them, the unplug and wait 10 minutes trick has been getting the connection back up for a few hours at a time. But all 3 offices were still having trouble this morning. |
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| DSL and U-verse are NOT the same thing, not even close. So I can assure you that your "business-class DSL" clients were NOT effected by the U-verse outage |
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| "an AT&T DHCP server decided it had other aspirations" OK. I thought the way that was phrased was quite funny.
Out of curiosity, how did a single DHCP server cause a three-day outage? It cannot be that simple else an admin could have just grabbed another system and converted it into a backup DHCP server in less than three days. |
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Re: Just shows... said by trparky:Sadly, AT&T has been rather allergic to spending money. They have a bad tendency to only spend it when they absolutely need it. This is more on the wireline side.
The wireless side is another thing all together different. They've been spending a crap ton of cash on their wireless network as of late.
Actually - wireless falls into that same category. AT&T has always been a day late / dollar short to the party, playing second fiddle with spectrum, deployments to Verizon Wireless. They do have to spend to compete... they're just VERY conservative to the point of pi$$ing off their customers at it.
pew-Verse/POTS/ADSL - its a lot more 'old school' brick and mortar business footprint.. only innovation that can occur is to merge services (triple play), add more functionality to TV, and charge for overages. |
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Camelot OnePremium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Greenwood, IN
kudos:1 | reply to ChampMom
said by ChampMom:DSL and U-verse are NOT the same thing, not even close. So I can assure you that your "business-class DSL" clients were NOT effected by the U-verse outage
Different lines at the customer end, but around here they both use the same DHCP servers. And that is where the issue seems to be in this area.
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| Going with possibly it is, wont know till I get home Lets see if it is fixed...
Opened SOCKS tunnel to router behind 2wire modem/router/shit,
Nope, still see MTU 576 in the modem,
Issued a remote reboot,
It comes back, grabbed an ip and MTU says 1500, so I guess it is. |
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Re: "an AT&T DHCP server decided it had other aspirations&q One completely unsubstantiated rumor says the true cause is that AT&T ran out of IPV4 addresses and that borked the system. Did AT&T buy any blocks of addresses in the past few days? |
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Re: Just shows... Its most likely run in corporate silo/tower mode.
Team A is responsible for the app
Team B is responsible for the server/OS
Team C is responsible for engineering
Team D is responsible for changes
Team E is responsible for network
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Team C pushes a change to Team D, but does not include Team A in what the changes do/mean (they just support stop/start/error trapping, and are app admins)
After the 'change', something goes wrong. Everyone points fingers at team A. In typical fashion 'what changed' occurs, and a backout starts. That's where things get interesting... and all the time is spent, as you have to get the other teams involved, and they are probably offshore, and do not work nights/weekends. |
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| Wireless is now out in some areas It would appear that wireless is now out in western Missouri and parts of Kansas. Get one service up and take down another. |
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Tobester
join:2000-11-14
San Francisco, CA Reviews:
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Re: Just shows... said by ChampMom:DSL and U-verse are NOT the same thing, not even close. So I can assure you that your "business-class DSL" clients were NOT effected by the U-verse outage
Here in San Francisco, AT&T has simply re-branded their old ADSL as the new and improved "U-verse internet."
True U-verse, with fiber to remote terminals, is only available in a very small section of the City, due to complaints over the refrigerator size cabinet placement on neighborhood sidewalks. |
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trparkyApple... YUMPremium,MVM
join:2000-05-24
Cleveland, OH
kudos:2 | I thought that they are getting rid of their old ADSL network (ATM-based) and moving people over to the new ADSL+ network that's branded as uVerse (IP-based). |
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 DavidNow accepting new patientsPremium,VIP
join:2002-05-30
Granite City, IL
kudos:78
 ·DIRECTV
·AT&T Midwest
·magicjack.com
·Google Voice
·AT&T Southwest
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Re: Just shows... said by ChampMom:DSL and U-verse are NOT the same thing, not even close. So I can assure you that your "business-class DSL" clients were NOT effected by the U-verse outage
+1
I would like to know exactly how a PPPoE ADSL service on completely different equipment ( ATM based) how on earth a uverse Internet outage (IP based service) affected them.
That is like trying to convince an apple it's an orange. Sorry the apple will still be an apple.
I am all for trying to understand, but what you state is practically impossible since that network is ATM based from you to the ISP connect point. Every Uverse Internet customer is security certificate based DHCP.
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DavidNow accepting new patientsPremium,VIP
join:2002-05-30
Granite City, IL
kudos:78 | reply to trparky
They are... it hit Granite City, IL earlier last year. |
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Tobester
join:2000-11-14
San Francisco, CA Reviews:
·Google Voice
·SONIC.NET
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said by trparky:I thought that they are getting rid of their old ADSL network (ATM-based) and moving people over to the new ADSL+ network that's branded as uVerse (IP-based).
That initially was the stated plan, however, the AT&T CEO is on record as saying U-verse expansion is dead.
My point was to expose AT&T's attempt to razzle-dazzle some current ADSL customers into thinking they have U-verse when it simply is a re-branded name change of the old product. (Of course, those would be the unknowledgeable masses who don't read DSLreports.com  )
Since San Francisco is one of the larger remaining cities without significant U-verse, it remains to be seen if they actually perform the installations, even though they have won the right, through the Courts, to install the neighborhood remote terminals.
Much of the City has underground utilities, which will be expensive to install fiber, so they might choose instead to focus on improving wireless for a better return on investment.
Of course, that leaves San Francisco ripe for picking by our little Bay area ISP gem, Sonic.net  |
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