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Comments on news posted 2013-01-24 17:56:53: Last month DirecTV became the first TV operator to start charging customers an extra fee for subscribing to more than one sports network. ..


tshirt
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:4
Reviews:
·Comcast

It's a start.

I certainly don't need or want a sports network, particularly a VERY expensive sports ONLY network in any package I would consider.
Allowing users to opt out of that (and charge a lot more to those that opt in) would be fine with me.

Next step would be to separate the Disney, nick etc (kids channels) as another add-on package.
Joe12345678

join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL

Re: It's a start.

Disney used to be a pay channel and if it's plan »usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/ad···385470/1

then they should go full ad free like hbo (where then still have there own ad's that they have FULL control over)

MovieLover76

join:2009-09-11
kudos:1

I signed up

Looking to save some money myself and I just signed up for Select HD, I didn't need the sports channels or showtime that came with Prime HD and I saved $10.

It's not strickly sports though, Comedy Central for instance was excluded from Select, I wasn't thrilled losing that channel, but I really need to cut back on expenses. and their were others they took out. Select HD is mostly sports trimming, but also some other more costly channels.
clone

join:2000-12-11
Portage, IN
Reviews:
·T-Mobile US

2 recommendations

I enjoy sports...

As do most "average joe" pay TV subscribers. The people who post on these forums that have no interest in sports are the minority, and that's why sports networks are always included in basic cable.

I have no problem with the providers charging you guys less for packages without sports, but charging ME more for something I've always received isn't progress, it's a rate hike.
Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO

Re: I enjoy sports...

I can't speak for everyone as you can, but I can say that sports networks are NOT included in the basic because everyone wants them.

They are included because the content owners require it.
TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH
Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse
·MegaPath

Re: I enjoy sports...

Very true. If you surf other websites and not Howard Forums, but actual news sites that cover these stories, you'll find that a LOT of people do not want ESPN included in their basic package and yet would rather opt-out. It has already been shown that ESPN is the driving cost of what Disney-ABC charges for programming.

I think its a good thing to charge those customers for those channels. Even if the customers that do not want them, get a price break, those that want it will still pay more with this type of service package.
eco
Premium
join:2001-11-28
Wilmington, DE
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TheKrell

join:2003-12-07
Fairfax, VA

2 recommendations

said by clone:

I have no problem with the providers charging you guys less for packages without sports, but charging ME more for something I've always received isn't progress, it's a rate hike.

Of course it's a rate hike. How else are the MVPDs supposed to pay for all those grossly overpaid pituitary giants? What's new here is that the sports addicts get to pay for it all by themselves, rather than making everybody else pay too.
clone

join:2000-12-11
Portage, IN
Reviews:
·T-Mobile US

2 recommendations

Re: I enjoy sports...

That's the problem, I'm not a sports addict. But there are a few games and matches here and there that interest me and the providers are just testing the waters to break out all "specialty" programming into packages that they can then charge a premium fee for on top of the basic rate. It's only supported on here and other geek sites because it's sports.

If the providers get their way, we will get a-la-carte just like we've been asking for, and it will look like this:

$50 Basic Service (includes NBC on Comcast, Public Access, QVC, HSN, C-SPAN 1-3, and the Smooth Jazz channel)

+$5 Cable "Starter" Package (USA, TBS, TNT, etc.)
+$5 Local Channel Fee
+10 Sports Network Fee
+$5 Kids Entertainment Package (Nick, Cartoon Network, Disney, etc.)
+$5 History and Science Channels Package (History, Discovery, etc.)
+$5 Music and Specialty Channels Package (MTV, etc.)
+$5 Commercial Movie Channel Package (TCM, AMC, etc.)

Look at the bargains we get with a-la-carte!! It's now $90 for what we used to get for $50! What Savings...now can I sign up for a tiered data plan, too, so I can save even more money??

When dealing with telcos and their ilk, be careful what you wish for...
jasondean

join:2009-08-28
Brooklyn, NY

Re: I enjoy sports...

Unfortunately you can't just blame the sports networks. Many bundled channels are due to one company forcing their little watched and never wanted channels on the cable co. as part of carrying their more popular choices. Want MTV? Here's all of Viacom's channels to go with it. Look at their list of channels and tell me how many you actually watch? »www.viacom.com/ourbrands/Pages/default.aspx

I'd gladly opt out of the Viacom package if it would save me $10/mo. So many people complain about sports networks... I don't want my MTV!!
clone

join:2000-12-11
Portage, IN
Reviews:
·T-Mobile US

1 recommendation

Re: I enjoy sports...

I don't disagree. But rates are never going to drop, just the number of channels in the "basic" package will get smaller and smaller until we're paying the same rate for basic as we always did, and have to have a bunch of add-on packages on top of it that double the bill.

Opting-out of the Viacom package would never save you $10. You would get to pay the same rate as you always did, while no longer receiving Viacom. You'll pay the same and get less. It's the telco way. Meanwhile people who enjoy Viacom will have to pay more to get the same service they always did.
chitchatjf

join:2008-07-13
Lawrence, MA
I'm not keen about MTV anymore? I say "Where's the music?"
Joe12345678

join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL
More like
limited basic / line fee* comes with Local Channels let's say $15-$20
and then have theme packs after that.

Line fee is needed for HSI as well
34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
said by clone:

If the providers get their way, we will get a-la-carte just like we've been asking for, and it will look like this:

If these companies do a-la-carte properly it wouldn't cost so much but they have no intention of actually doing things properly.

admin123

@myvzw.com
That go's for every channel, So you wanna opt out say your fav channel pay $3.00/month extra ? what i thought.

tshirt
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
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Reviews:
·Comcast

1 recommendation

but you always received at that price because everyone got charged $5, if half drop it then your share become $10.
eventually it could lead to packages being much smaller group of channels bundled, and YOU might save by dropping say the cooking/home improvement channels, or kids channels, or woman's channels. It's as close to ala carte as you are likely to see in the near term.
Unfortunately, if tastes demand something out of each package at your house you will pay the max rate for everything.

FFH
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Tavistock NJ
kudos:5

Re: I enjoy sports...

said by tshirt:


Unfortunately, if tastes demand something out of each package at your house you will pay the max rate for everything.

And don't think for 1 sec that that isn't how they will create the bundles. Always bundle a class or type of shows someone won't want(like sports) with 1 or 2 channels everyone will want. Like the example here where a sports bundle includes TNT, FoxNews, Comedy Central, etc. By grouping dissimilar shows they are trying to make it hard to drop any group of channels.

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tshirt
Premium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:4
Reviews:
·Comcast

1 edit

Re: I enjoy sports...

And that or even "fairly" group channel packages are very much in the providers favor.
take sports now at $5... with packages half drop it but you get $10 from each remaining peep... now if you can add a sport or somehow appeal to a few more you get $10 from each a better return then selling 2x as many on the $5 plan.
Potentially(but not totally likely) you could double your income with small adjustments your package.

Caddyroger
Premium
join:2001-06-11
To the west
Reviews:
·Comcast
said by clone:

As do most "average joe" pay TV subscribers. The people who post on these forums that have no interest in sports are the minority, and that's why sports networks are always included in basic cable.

I have no problem with the providers charging you guys less for packages without sports, but charging ME more for something I've always received isn't progress, it's a rate hike.

I also enjoy sports so I should pay for it, why should my neighbors and my daughter pay for it. It should be in a separate tier for sports. If it sports then it goes into the sports trier no if or buts about it. If you do not want to extra then do not get it.
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Caddy
clone

join:2000-12-11
Portage, IN
Reviews:
·T-Mobile US

Re: I enjoy sports...

I understand now. Tiered TV, good. Tiered internet, bad.

What if I said (which I don't believe) that people who want to use Netflix or YouTube or Facebook should be in separate tiers since their usage makes up the bulk of the cost of transport. Everyone on here would scream bloody murder.

tshirt
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
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Reviews:
·Comcast

Re: I enjoy sports...

This isn't about transport cost (one HD channel costs about the same as another to broadcast) it's about the content cost.
Sports are among the most expensive shows to produce (due to stadiums fees, player salaries, and team owners long term development investments.
the internet equivalent would have you paying your current ISP fees plus bandwidth (if above current usage) and a huge annual subscription fee to the league website, the total would likely be much more than the broadcast/sports channel model, but you might be able to get very customized "MY Team" content.

delusion ftl

@comcast.net
All of this would be fixed if the cable companies and content owners would just implement my idea.

I would give everyone responsible in my market a cable connection and an HD capable cable box.
I would have all of them get channels I get paid to show (shopping etc..). I would allow them to go onto the website or use their tv to select which channels or packages they want. If they want only CNN as their every month channel, then that's great it's 1 dollar a month (or whatever is appropriate). What if their son is over and wants to watch the game. Today they would not watch it and the cable company would get no money. I think they switch to that channel the cable box says, would you like to buy this channel for the rest of the month? It's 2.00. yes or no?
The HD version is $4 dollars for the rest of the month.
Grandkids over and want to watch Disney? pay a few bucks and get it. No calling for a package upgrade, or anything like that

And so on and so on.
TuxRaiderPen

join:2009-09-19
said by clone:
As do most "average joe" pay TV subscribers. The people who post on these forums that have no interest in sports are the minority, and that's why sports networks are always included in basic cable.
As average Jane/Joe... sports is NOT an interest.. matter of fact they could shut down and I wouldn't notice, except maybe that my programs start on time on SUN for a change...

ESPN is included because the corpartstapo of disney FORCE IT! You want any O&O ABC, or any of the other disney cruft, you take ESPN in your standard tier and fork over $5.00/month/sub for that in addition to the other channels fees.

Well you sports a holics can FOOT THE BILL FOR YOUR sports and their over inflated fees and salaries and drugs etc..

Its a good start let the sportsaholics pay for their sports....
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tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY

overcharging...

w/o sports.. fios triple play 15/5 w/ video & telephone can then come down to $69.95 - $74.95... at $84 - $99 it's a ripoff..

battleop

join:2005-09-28
00000

As long as Saban is at Alabama...

All of the games I want to watch are going to be on CBS/ABC/ESPN as long as the Tide continues to dominate.
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axus

join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC
Reviews:
·Comcast

All these bundles and exclusions are confusing

OK, it probably takes less than a minute of thought, but it looks overly complicated. More complicated than a la carte.

Over-the-air channels are very easy to deal with; the only time a channel is blocked is when a big truck interferes with my reception

TONIC

@t-mobile.com

Billing $80 Ultimate HD

Verizon now has major billing issue with recent Ultimate HD with 75Mb for $80 fiasco ongoing.

»slickdeals.net/f/5812586-FiOS-DO···th-YMMV?
tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY
Reviews:
·ooma
·Optimum Online
·Verizon FiOS

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Re: Billing $80 Ultimate HD

said by TONIC :

Verizon now has major billing issue with recent Ultimate HD with 75Mb for $80 fiasco ongoing.

»slickdeals.net/f/5812586-FiOS-DO···th-YMMV?

If dual play (w/ video) is $80.. what's 75/35 standalone?!? Probably more.. haha... nevertheless, if the deal holds (or gets better in the summer), it could be an interesting barganing chip once a pricelock from the cableco expires..

IIRC 15/5 is $70 standalone.. 75/35 was probably around $129-- correction $90-- just checked..
BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH

Sports....

are the the last reason to actually have cable. It's one of the few things you can't easily replace. That and live news channels.

Eddy120876

join:2009-02-16
Bronx, NY

Re: Sports....

Only reason why I want Cable is because of live sports and thats it the rest I can find it on HULU or Netflix
BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH

Re: Sports....

Exactly.

rit56

join:2000-12-01
New York, NY

Bundling

I just think they should allow the customer to choose which channels to exclude. I'd like Comedy and they can have the Food Channel

bohratom
Jersey Shore is back again.

join:2011-07-07
Red Bank NJ

2 edits

Regional sports networks additional $2.42 ???????

Edit: Nevermind , I found a pdf regarding the charges..

»www.lowerpaxton-pa.gov/httpdocs/···0713.pdf

aaronwt
Premium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA

4 edits

If this new tier just cut all the sprts channels...

and left all the channels the Ultimate HD tier has except the premium chnanels, i would jump on it. But I see there are several channels that are missing from this non sports tier that I watch.

It's like that with all their tiers. The only one that has the channels I want to watch is the Ultimate HD tier. All the lower tiers omit a channel here and a channel there that I would want to watch.

Although if they start charging me extra for regional sports channels on my Ultimate HD tier(which I don't watch), that will probably push me to jump to a lower tier even though it might be missing channels I want.

I'll will jump to a lower TV tier and to the lower 75/35 internet tier and Verizon will be getting at least $40 less per month from me.

celticpride

@verizon.net

Re: If this new tier just cut all the sprts channels...

I wonder how much the price will go up in so. cal. when the dodgers get the $8 billion dollar20 year contract/

xpbx
220, 221, Whatever It Takes.
Premium
join:2000-11-08

breaking promises

thats what they do best. then they say no more broken promises yeah like ANYONE is gonna believe that