 tschmidtPremium,MVM
join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
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Re: If I get caught, DMCA severely restricts fair-use rights in that if DRM infringes on copyright DMCA says tough bananas. To round this out companies use contractual wording to undercut first-sale doctrine.
The goal is to turn the population into renters with no property rights so companies are able to collect rent.
Be interesting to see how this plays out over the next decade as companies and government continue to tighten the screws.
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tschmidtPremium,MVM
join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
kudos:8 | reply to elwoodblues
Re: Crazy laws said by elwoodblues:You get less time in jail for armed Robbery, Or crashing the economy. |
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | said by tschmidt:said by elwoodblues:You get less time in jail for armed Robbery, Or crashing the economy. well those who crashed the economy own the government so they could murder people and just buy a law that makes it legal for wall street to murder people.
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to kevinds
Re: If I get caught, This is why the DMCA is never going to be enforced. It would never stand up to a full and proper court review if someone got dragged in for ripping DVDs to their home server and never once sharing the files or even the physical DVD. In fact I think any case that could drag the DMCA before a proper court review would result in it going away.
Okay not really as the SCOTUS is now a division of big business. After all corporations are people too according to the supremes
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to MaynardKrebs
Re: The Supremes will rule in this case.... I would not want to be the police chief that has to send my officers away from real cop work to chase down people selling Hondas on Craigs List.
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 n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY | reply to kd6cae
Re: Sprint iPhone I have no idea what is up with Sprint and their policy. My 4S is off contact in October and I may appeal directly to Apple, as many AT&T customers did, to get a full unlock. Basically an off contract Sprint iPhone is usable domestically only with Sprint or with any SIM outside the United States. My guess is because they have not yet been smacked as AT&T has, they have continued the policy. Come October, it will be two years since Sprint started selling iPhones and that will be the real test to see if their policy sticks. If people start requesting full unlocks at that time and keep getting denied, that may force people like me to go directly to Apple for assistance.
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join:2004-08-01
Detroit, MI
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| More piracy on the horizon When are these morons going to realize that they are only pushing more people into piracy with this crap?
On the plus side they are helping the other companies out there who will come with ways to get around this by increasing demand for their stuff. 
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Re: Ownership of software and other works said by IowaCowboy:So in other words, it is a breach of the license to modify the software on your smartphone and that includes unlocking it. While you may own the physical device, you don't own the software on it and you are bound by the software licensing agreement.
Interesting... All this time I have been purchasing computers that come preinstalled with Windows, wiping the disk, and installing Linux.
Does that make me a criminal too?  |
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 cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7 | reply to Chaldo
Re: This isnt going to stop anything. My guess is that, presuming the ruling stands as is, that individuals who unlock their phone won't be pursued in courts, but that services that offer to unlock phones may be. It's just like pirating. The individuals that do it aren't worth the time/effort to actually prosecute/sue in court...even with a victory what can be recovered or actual damages is far less then what the legal fees are. It's the bigger services that would be guilty of willful violation, or many counts is where the money could be at, if it ever came down to it.
Personally, I think it's a non-issue for 99.9% of the population. Most people have lived with locked cell phones for some time. With different technologies, frequencies, etc along with contracts, people stay with their same carrier for most or all of their contract. If/when they change, they get a new phone, trade in the old, donate it, or resell it to someone on the same carrier. Plus, with my experience with T-Mobile, after I think it's 90 days of good standing they will unlock it for you if you say pretty please or lie that you are taking it overseas. |
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cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7 | reply to tschmidt
Re: If I get caught, said by tschmidt:The goal is to turn the population into renters with no property rights so companies are able to collect rent.
T-mobile seems to be bucking the trend, going the opposite way. Their plans of not subsidizing phones, allowing you to BYOD, and an arguably leading pre-paid plan among the big 4 providers to me shows that they really don't care specifically about the "renting the hardware" market while they first rather provide the service. If you want to get the hardware from them, then they are happy to do that as well. |
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 JuggernautIrreverent or irrelevant?Premium
join:2006-09-05
Kelowna, BC
kudos:2 | reply to Cthen
Re: More piracy on the horizon I can see this creating a huge market for the 'pure' Google Nexus devices, as they all come unlocked already. In fact, it was the deciding factor in my buying the Nexus S. No begging the carrier, and no money spent for a third party unlock.
Maybe when the cell providers start losing enough profit off their device sales, they'll see the folly of their ways. As it stands, I can see this creating a lot of 'criminals' in the interim by unlocking their hardware for travel.
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Re: So let me get this straight No, this issue really only applies to a small target. iphones, particularly on Sprint, and some on Verizon. They are locked so that they cannot be used on ATT and T-mobile even though they have sim card slots and have the ability to work. The exemption would allow a user to circumvent the lock and use their phone on a domestic network. That is expiring tomorrow.
Virtually every other phone can already be unlocked legally by the carrier/manufacturer, often well before a contract expires.
In my opinion you either don't do business with carriers that refuse to unlock your device, or you choose devices the carriers will unlock (if any).
Sprint and Verizon refuse to allow phones from each others network to be activated. ATT will take devices from other networks but will force you into a plan they deem appropriate for your device (usually mandating a data plan). T-mobile is the lone star here that allows you to bring any device and use it with any plan (including non data plans) and they don't have any devices they will not unlock upon request. |
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Re: Crazy laws said by dnoyeB:Destroying the secondary market is the same thing Steam has done for video games. unless you make a steam account for each game.
I have had valve unregister games from my account and make them into gift codes which can be sold, legally, even according to their TOS, as long as they don't know, your in the clear. You just need to get the right person in support. I don't think Valve was 100% at fault for this change at all either. Once game companies started using online registration and one time use game CD keys, the second hand market for PC games was already dying. Its a bad comparison too, because it does not kill the second hand market, phones will just be carrier locked, so if you will now have to look for a phone to use on a specific carrier as well as what other features you want.
Also, have any of these laws ever prevented anyone from unlocking or jailbreaking their phones? the DMCA laws are outdated and need to be rewritten, the only problem is that they will only get worse, because lobbyist have more money than you or I. |
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to elwoodblues
The thing with Valve is they focus on a market that never had a big secondary market to begin with. PC gaming has never had a big used game market. Consoles have had a huge used market even since the SNES. And it really took off in the Playstation era.
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Re: Librarian of Congress? And yet no one will keep a database of stolen phones to completely shut out stolen phones from the market.
If this really is an iPhone related issue, who in their right mind would want an iPhone or Apple product in the future? |
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| Lock Me Up Sorry but its my phone ill do as a please with it like telling me i cant put a ford engine in my chevy eat me |
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| I have TMO service. I have bought unlocked European phones from Amazon and used them on TMO. One was a Nokia C6, not sold here, The other a Samsung Apollo, also not sold here. The Samsung was in the Czech language. I now have the unlocked Nexus S, and will get the Nexus 4. |
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| On a related note...... ...sales of Google's unlocked Nexus 4 phone are starting to climb again. |
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 MikePremium,Mod
join:2000-09-17
Pittsburgh, PA
kudos:1 | reply to travanx
Re: Librarian of Congress? Pretty sure that extends to all phones, not just Apple. |
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| reply to tschmidt
Re: If I get caught, What copyright material protected by DRM is there on my Android (open-source) smart-phone though.
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