| Get all those new criminals! Put them in prison. Phone unlockers could be the new scourge on society... |
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| 100,000 The Petition needs 100,000 signatures to be addressed. The 70k noted are just the number needed by a certain date to remain on track for the 100,000 required.
I signed it. |
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 skeechanAi OtsukaholicPremium
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| I'm still not sure how locking a phone is a "digital right" The DMCA only prohibits circumvention that controls access to a "work" protected by the title.
The carrier lock doesn't protect any work under the law that I can see. A phone being locked to a carrier isn't an issue of copyright.
Even the software on the phone, the OS isn't a work of the carriers and neither is the firmware. Those are written by the software or handset makers.
Circumventing encryption it an of itself isn't a violation of the DMCA. |
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 DaveDudeNo Fear
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Re: Get all those new criminals! i mean , is this really that important ? |
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Re: I'm still not sure how locking a phone is a "digital ri The gist of it is that you're modifying propitiatory, copyrighted code code created by the carrier, thus, it's a DMCA violation. If the carrier creates code to lock the handset to their network and you alter that code, you're violating the DMCA. Or at least the wording is so broad that is how it can be interpreted. |
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Re: 100,000 said by AnonFTW :The Petition needs 100,000 signatures to be addressed. The 70k noted are just the number needed by a certain date to remain on track for the 100,000 required.
I signed it.
It use to be only 25,000 was needed. I guess they raised it because of certain petitions that they didn't like were getting past the 25,000 mark. Nice huh? |
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skeechanAi OtsukaholicPremium
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Re: I'm still not sure how locking a phone is a "digital ri SIM locks are "built" by the phone manufacturers though aren't they, not actually written by the carriers themselves. So it would have to be Apple, Samsung or Google that would have a claim of copyright if that piece of code is considered a literary work. For example it is Apple wrote that code present in the iPhone, not AT&T thus AT&T has no copyright claim on that SIM lock code. |
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Re: 100,000 well it's not that they didn't like them. they were pointless and stupid petitions. The death star one is the best example. |
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| Software rights Like I've said before, the locking algorithm is in the software and the software licensing agreement prohibits this type of modification.
Remember, even though you own the device, you don't own the software on the device, the developer owns it. |
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Re: I'm still not sure how locking a phone is a "digital ri Signed (34606) |
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 cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
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kudos:7 | Petition Has any of the "We the people..." petitions ever actually resulted in a real change? Every petition that I've seen responded too was some presidential staffer giving vague, ambiguous, non-committal responses at best. I understand such a response might be warranted for petitions such as building a Death Star, but even legitimate ones never result in anything. It's about as effective as the complaint box at your local store that never is opened.
Besides, even if the President agreed with the petition and wanted to effect change, there is little he could do aside from executive order for the DOJ not to prosecute. LoC falls under the legislative branch and ultimately would require Congress to change the law. And realistically, there are too many special interest groups that would prevent any changes to the law for that to happen. |
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Re: Software rights If the owner of a piece of software wishes to pursue legal action because Joe Schmoe unlocked his precious new iPhone, they are currently quite free to do so without any new laws... through CIVIL action. What Congress and various special interest groups are trying to do now is take a matter that was previously up to civil courts to decide, and criminalize it. The fact that we are even considering something like unlocking a phone to be a criminal act when it's not even an issue in the rest of the world merely illustrates just how broken and corrupt our legal and legislative system have become lately...
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| Rediculous So if I buy a GE fridge and GE stocks it with food and says I must buy food from them only or be taken to court. Stupid. If I pay for it then it is mine to do so as i wish. BS. If they want it this way then offer phones for a $3/mo lease fee and upgrades after a year. I leave the carrier then get a phone from another. Just don't sell me something and then tell me what I am "allowed" to do with it. |
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Re: I'm still not sure how locking a phone is a "digital ri I signed the petition and I think your right, if anyone had this right it would be the phone manufacturer. Though the fact that this is considered under the DMCA is absurd in itself. |
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to skeechan
The thing is I do not know if Google could claim copyright for altering the code if it is at the OS level. the Android core at least is open source.
Apple might be able to as iOS is not open source.
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Re: 100,000 I can think of a whole host of petitions that the White House didn't like that wound up crossing the threshold on there too.
A few of the petitions for allowing specific states to leave the union come to mind for this. I think that a few of them actually crossed the old threshold, which is probably what prompted the higher numbers for everyone. Obama and his cronies, just like Bush II, doesn't really appreciate it when the people come together to voice their opinions. |
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Re: Software rights Only "lately"? 
It seems like we've been beyond the level that rational people would consider absurd for at least a couple decades. Extending copyright beyond the copyright holder's death, allowing the MPAA and RIAA to act in a threatening manner toward citizens who are not proven guilty of any crime, allowing patents for things like "squares with rounded corners" (yes, Apple got a patent from the PTO for this stupidity)...
I could go on, but I'm sure you get my point.
And just exactly why does the MPAA need the FBI's help in tracking down someone who copies a movie? I wonder how much our government officials got paid off to add those FBI warnings at the start of each movie. There's nothing like a private industry stealing from the citizens by employing a law enforcement agency funded with public tax dollars to do their private bidding. |
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skeechanAi OtsukaholicPremium
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Re: I'm still not sure how locking a phone is a "digital ri And google isn't going to give a crap about unlocking the phone. |
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Re: Petition said by cdru:Besides, even if the President agreed with the petition and wanted to effect change, there is little he could do aside from executive order for the DOJ not to prosecute. That would be about the only way he could do it. I suppose if he believes that he has the authority to ban assault rifles with an executive order, he would also likely believe he has the authority to do something here. |
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