 tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3
 ·Comcast
| Not really unreasonable... "AT&T insists they simply want to see PSTN regulations modernized for an all IP age"
Of course they want out of a situation where expensive upgrades or even maintaince advantages line sharing compeitors more than themselves.
people need to get over the "years of tax breaks" which were part of the payments to the company for meeting gov't demands...universal service...hardened networks for gov't and military and "certain" institutional intelligence systems.
In fact PSTN regulations must be updated to include all the different last mile solution methods and providers to assure at least one is properly compensated for providing a robust, modern, and capable connection to every home (most homes, those that CHOOSE to live off the grid must provide their own solution at their own expense)= true universal service.
The same regulators can assure equalized cost sharing among users and fair rate setting by service providers. |
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 LinklistPremium
join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | What about state regulation of POTS? This wouldn't end state regulation of POTS in every individual state. AT&T would also have to get states to give up regulation as well, wouldn't it? |
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| If you read AT&T's petition, they specifically want the use of IP, even closed-path, non-public Internet IP services to be declared purely interstate. Thus, in an all-IP network, there's no intra-state services left for the states to regulate. |
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 IowaCowboyWant to go back to IowaPremium
join:2010-10-16
Springfield, MA
·Comcast
 ·Verizon Broadban..
| PSTN Sunset They should be allowed to shut down the PSTN and force their customers onto fiber networks. One of the reasons that Verizon is reluctant to upgrade to FiOS is that many consumers (mostly middle aged and elderly) opt to remain on the PSTN/DSL even though their house is passed by FiOS.
If Verizon were to pass my house with FiOS, I would kick Comcast to the curb in a heartbeat. And I would pay the hourly installation charge as my house is a townhouse duplex (which they consider an MDU/custom install but I would do the inside wiring myself).
I think the time has come to shut down the PSTN. I have my home phone through Comcast (mainly because the alarm system requires a phone line and for E911).
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I've experienced ImOn (when they were McLeod USA), Mediacom, Comcast, and Time Warner. They are much better than broadcast TV.
I have not and will not cut the cord. |
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| They don't want to shut down PSTN and migrate their users to fiber networks. AT&T doesn't HAVE a fiber network. They want those people to go to Wireless, because they make more money off of it. |
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| insane to gut pots regulations We have all seen how unreliable IP phone services are. I wouldn't bet my life on IP phone! |
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LinklistPremium
join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | reply to IowaCowboy
Re: PSTN Sunset said by IowaCowboy:They should be allowed to shut down the PSTN and force their customers onto fiber networks. One of the reasons that Verizon is reluctant to upgrade to FiOS is that many consumers (mostly middle aged and elderly) opt to remain on the PSTN/DSL even though their house is passed by FiOS.
But is it OK by you that they abandon copper landlines if they offer no fiber connection to replace it? That is, leave a customer with zero landline option where cable doesn't have service.
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A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasury. |
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| De-regulate ?? Where is ATT and Verizon going to run their FIOS lines etc if the PUBLIC decides that no more private use of PUBLIC right of ways such as surface poles, street level refrigerator boxes etc. Does ATT own the poles the land on which they and all their surface and below surface equipment reside? Let's see how cheap it is to buy the land and re-string infrastructure. I'm not saying that ATT isn't allowed to make a profit but to be allowed free reign is ludicrous. I waste my breath and time though because ATT already is paying off the the pimps and whores in Washington to make this happen! |
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Re: PSTN Sunset Wouldn't the government have to force the telco for fiber deployment to happen? |
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IowaCowboyWant to go back to IowaPremium
join:2010-10-16
Springfield, MA Reviews:
·Comcast
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said by Linklist:said by IowaCowboy:They should be allowed to shut down the PSTN and force their customers onto fiber networks. One of the reasons that Verizon is reluctant to upgrade to FiOS is that many consumers (mostly middle aged and elderly) opt to remain on the PSTN/DSL even though their house is passed by FiOS.
But is it OK by you that they abandon copper landlines if they offer no fiber connection to replace it? That is, leave a customer with zero landline option where cable doesn't have service. Or at least shut down copper networks where the telco offers equal or better service passing those residences (such as U-Verse or FiOS).
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I've experienced ImOn (when they were McLeod USA), Mediacom, Comcast, and Time Warner. They are much better than broadcast TV.
I have not and will not cut the cord. |
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 VanPremium
join:2009-07-08
New Orleans, LA | AT&T wants the government OUT OF THEIR LIVES! Oh, except when the government helps them out
"In an example of corporate welfare at its finest, AT&T effectively paid no federal taxes in 2011. In fact, thanks to lucrative incentives and corporate subsidies, the telecommunications company walked away with a giant taxpayer-subsidized $420 million refund." »stopthecap.com/2012/08/16/at-ach···-refund/ |
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 gaforcesUnited We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
1 edit | They are afraid that the govt will declare internet access an essential service, like many countrys are doing, and regulate them to provide service to areas they dont want to be in with service levels above what they currently offer in many areas.
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Let them eat FIBER! |
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Re: What about state regulation of POTS? You mean like AT&T never ending lobbying and court battles to block muni FTTH. |
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Re: Not really unreasonable... It's a joke and this just makes the case for muni or state FTTH more credible and even necessary.
With the exception of shareholders and c-level management, the private sector (status quo) in these areas has been nothing but a huge failure for the American people and our progress and prosperity. |
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tkdslr
join:2004-04-24
Pompano Beach, FL Reviews:
·T-Mobile US
 ·Speakeasy
| AT&T is in for a rude awakening.. I migrated to a completely wireless setup early last year.
Ported my Land Line to a prepaid cell phone Bluetooth-ed to my existing wired phones.
So far my costs to replace my 30$/mo no frills POTS have been on average $10/mo, plus I get caller ID and Call waiting(another $10) for free.
Same goes for data.. I was paying $55/mo for DSL. But at&t crippled that, so I went wireless on that as well. Saved another stack of money.
It's not a perfect solution, limited 4G Data, but I didn't use that much aDSL anyway, plus I've paid for all my upfront costs in about 5 months. The resulting 60$ monthly savings is just music to my ears.
In a nutshell, At&t/Verizon is in for a rude awakening, as long as their is some sort of competition. (DBS Sat's, Cable, other wireless providers(Sprint/T-mobile), OTA).
These formerly wired incumbents are being lined up for big fall (bankruptcy) as their wireless networking advantages fade and they are forced to compete on services and price without their former guaranteed market subsidies.. |
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Re: PSTN Sunset said by IowaCowboy:They should be allowed to shut down the PSTN and force their customers onto fiber networks. One of the reasons that Verizon is reluctant to upgrade to FiOS is that many consumers (mostly middle aged and elderly) opt to remain on the PSTN/DSL even though their house is passed by FiOS.
If Verizon were to pass my house with FiOS, I would kick Comcast to the curb in a heartbeat. And I would pay the hourly installation charge as my house is a townhouse duplex (which they consider an MDU/custom install but I would do the inside wiring myself).
I think the time has come to shut down the PSTN. I have my home phone through Comcast (mainly because the alarm system requires a phone line and for E911).
Disagree 100 percent, I will fight to keep copper and POTS until the day I expire. Have had to many expierences when bad weather came through and internet was down for up to 10 days where the POTS line worked like a champ during that period. Cell phone service was even more pathetic during that period, got to the point I heard "I am Sorry but we cannot complete the call as dialed"
In my neighborhood the term "Fiber" is related to what you had for breakfeast and not tele-communications - no I do not have DSL, have 100MB cable internet - and that is about as reliable as a Ford Edsel most of the time |
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Re: insane to gut pots regulations said by nonamesleft:We have all seen how unreliable IP phone services are. I wouldn't bet my life on IP phone!
How true |
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Re: PSTN Sunset said by IowaCowboy:said by Linklist:said by IowaCowboy:They should be allowed to shut down the PSTN and force their customers onto fiber networks. One of the reasons that Verizon is reluctant to upgrade to FiOS is that many consumers (mostly middle aged and elderly) opt to remain on the PSTN/DSL even though their house is passed by FiOS.
But is it OK by you that they abandon copper landlines if they offer no fiber connection to replace it? That is, leave a customer with zero landline option where cable doesn't have service. Or at least shut down copper networks where the telco offers equal or better service passing those residences (such as U-Verse or FiOS). there is nothing as reliable as POTS, had service on my landline while internet was down for 10 days |
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But what AT&T and Verizon are doing, isn't saying we'll shut down PSTN and put in fiber, they are just saying shut down PSTN and we'll upgrade what we feel is profitable to upgrade and the rest of the country can simply pay higher prices for wireless or use cable.
If they were replacing all PSTN with fiber, I think most of us would be for it, the regulation piece is still a thorn even in that case. We can't leave our entire telecommunications system unregulated. They need to add clear langugage that says we have the right to regulate IP services. |
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Re: AT&T is in for a rude awakening.. If you don't use the internet much it is okay. Software updates alone would drive me way over the caps. |
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