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Comments on news posted 2013-01-30 08:35:00: Both AT&T and Verizon are currently hanging up on tens of millions of DSL and copper POTS customers they don't want to upgrade, letting them either flee to cable competitors, or to their pricier and heavily capped LTE services. ..

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TBBroadband
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Re: What about state regulation of POTS?

This is already happened in Ohio SB 271.

»www.legislature.state.oh ··· 9_SB_271

»innovationohio.org/wp-co ··· ly-2.pdf
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Re: PSTN Sunset

actually AT&T does have a FTTH network. Project LightSpeed aka U-Verse has a solid FTTH network in the original Ameritech region of the company. There was a powerpoint on this a while back with Ed talking about it and a major rebuild happened in Carlton MI which is just out side Monroe- Your only option for phone and Internet via landline is AT&T U-verse. WI has build outs as well.

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said by wingrider01:

there is nothing as reliable as POTS, had service on my landline while internet was down for 10 days

Our home was fed from an RT. We had DSL+Pots go out together. DSL came back in a few hours. It took 3 days for POTS to come back!
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U-Verse is a brand for IP-DSL, VDSL and FTTH via AT&T.
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And before the FCC was given the power to regulate the phone system, it was NOT regulated by them. The FCC was created for air-waves - by the radio stations - aka Clear Channel.
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Re: De-regulate ??

The public you mean the state? The state would decide what happens or the local gov't not anyone else. Also the poles are either owned by the telco or the power company. And if you take away the rights to use the ROW AT&T could go to the court and just start taking land from you very easily. After all AT&T has more money than you do to fight.
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Re: AT&T wants the government OUT OF THEIR LIVES!

This will NEVER happen here. The FCC is too busy dealing with their media efforts and tied up too much in court to even worry.
15444104 (banned)
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ATT = Hypocrites

said by Bill Neilson:

Oh, except when the government helps them

out

"In an example of corporate welfare at its finest, AT&T effectively paid no federal taxes in 2011. In fact, thanks to lucrative incentives and corporate subsidies, the telecommunications company walked away with a giant taxpayer-subsidized $420 million refund."
»stopthecap.com/2012/08/1 ··· -refund/

Exactly !

It's sickening to see these loaded companies with CEOs like
Randall Stephenson making out like a bandit, willing to accept money from folks barely getting by in the real world economy, while they likely spend some of that taxpayer money on lobbyists that are trying to kill the last remaining consumer protections.

I don't disagree with progess, BUT plain old telephone lines is what ATT has and they should be forced to maintain that network as long as they are getting taxpayer funding.

Wireless is IMPRACTICAL for ordinary consumers because it is TOO expensive for what one gets, and it still isn't as reliable as the old copper land lines.
TBBroadband
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Re: What happens to fiber to the curb?!?

First David helps when he can. As far as the plans, NOBODY knows them expect the higher ups in AT&T. As far as your subdivision not having U-Verse try going into an ENTIRE city where the average income is $500,000 and homes are in the millions, U-Verse VARDs all over but no service. AT&T will turn them on when they feel like it.

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Re: What about state regulation of POTS?

Unless I misread the status, this never passed the House, and was never signed in to law.
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Re: Not really unreasonable...

Why do you need munis or the gov't in general providing it? Why not create a Co-Op and do it yourself? Socialism doesn't work for everything, including Internet. It is NOT a required utility nor is the TV. Hell Phone isn't either. There are plenty that do without this day.
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Re: What about state regulation of POTS?

There have been reports on the PUC site that it was passed into law. I'm searching for it now. It went as far as even pulling standards from any customer that "bundled" services.
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Re: AT&T is in for a rude awakening..

You could build out the wireless without buying the spectrum. You could even do what Clear did before, and lease it. If you know what you're doing a wireless network would work in most cities.
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Re: ATT = Hypocrites

the tax payer funding can be moved to AT&T Mobility as well. The same as Sprint has done and others. POTS is on the way out though and people need to realize it. They'll start letting areas rot to the point where you won't use service and they'll offload them to others that want them. And too expensive? $45 for unlimited everything??? I don't see how that is expensive on wireless.

Also many others don't pay taxes either but nobody else complains about them.

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Re: What happens to fiber to the curb?!?

David could have responded with a simple "I don't know", but he didn't. Instead I received no response. I stand by my statements.
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Re: ATT = Hypocrites

I don't need "unlimited" everything.

Contrary to the belief of executive manglement I have a budget and 45$ IS TOO MUCH and many other consumers agree.

Just because these companies want to give you more stuff you DON'T WANT OR NEED doesn't make it a better value. It is still more than I and others want to pay.

You need to get that concept through your head.
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Re: Not really unreasonable...

Typically seniors, tin foil or doomsday preper types, or folks out in rural America do not utilize the internet today.
said by TBBroadband:

Socialism doesn't work for everything, including Internet.

Based on what example though? Unfortunately, the gut-feelings of Glen Beck, faux news, Alex Jones and Rush do not count as legitimate quantifiable examples.

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Re: ATT = Hypocrites

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I don't need "unlimited" everything.

Contrary to the belief of executive manglement I have a budget and 45$ IS TOO MUCH and many other consumers agree.

Just because these companies want to give you more stuff you DON'T WANT OR NEED doesn't make it a better value. It is still more than I and others want to pay.

You need to get that concept through your head.

+1 to you bro..... all this 'value added' nonsense is just that... nonsense. It only makes sense to ATT, offering stuff that costs them nothing, or knowing you won't use it anyway just to add 'perceived value'.

I still have just a lil ole dumb phone, cuz if I want to access the web while out and about, well..... my laptop has a much bigger screen that any other type of mobile device, and I only need one. I don't need a 'smart' phone just for of all the useless apps they push, and a tablet to watch video cuz my 'smart' phone screen is too small, or stream Pandora or whatever 24 hours a day.... I could go on..... but ya'll get the gist....

NormanS
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Re: PSTN Sunset

said by TheRogueX:

They don't want to shut down PSTN and migrate their users to fiber networks. AT&T doesn't HAVE a fiber network.

Eh? They do have FTTP in some parts of San Jose, California. But they don't allow use of the full capability.
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said by IowaCowboy:

Or at least shut down copper networks where the telco offers equal or better service passing those residences (such as U-Verse or FiOS).

99% of U-verse requires last mile copper; even if the customer is using U-verse voice (VOIP).
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said by me1212:

Isn't uverse copper too? VDSL?

It is a mix. Some FTTP (~1%). The rest either ADSL2+ (IP-DSL), or VDSL (IP-DSL/IPTV).
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The FCC was created to do the job congress didnt want to do directly themselves because they are way to busy and being legally bribed through lobbying and worrying about scratching the backs of their business friends.

It should be modified to regulate ALL communications whether airwaves or wired regardless of method because ultimately congress is responsible for that and being they dont want to do it themselves they still need to have in place the regulating body to do so for them. And while they are at it, congress needs to ball up and give the agency the full authority to impose punishment on companies just as congress would if they were actually the ones regulating it.

If they want to pass of responsibility, then pass it off and stop this half-baked method they currently utilize.

NormanS
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Re: De-regulate ??

said by Twaddle :

Where is ATT and Verizon going to run their FIOS lines etc if the PUBLIC decides that no more private use of PUBLIC right of ways such as surface poles, street level refrigerator boxes etc.

That would also shut down electric (PG&E, an investor-owned private electric company) owns most of the poles, here. And signal controlled intersections; those "lawn refrigerators" aren't as intrusive as the signal light control boxes.
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Re: AT&T wants the government OUT OF THEIR LIVES!

said by neuronbob:

If AT&T wants deregulation, then it needs to stop accepting my taxpayer dollars. End of story.

Shouldn't you also stop accepting taxpayer dollars? Next time you file an income tax return, don't take advantage of those lucrative loopholes.

Okay, that was just hyperbolic sarcasm. AT&T isn't cashing any government checks. But the government could tighten up corporate tax loopholes, if they weren't beholden to corporate political contributions.

Should have read a posted link.

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Re: Not really unreasonable...

said by TBBroadband:

Why not create a Co-Op and do it yourself? Socialism doesn't work for everything, including Internet.

I find it amusing that you suggest creating a co-op, but then say socialism might not work. A co-op can be considered a form of socialism where no one individual or body owns property, but is instead controlled by the group.
tmc8080
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carrot and stick..

it is likely Verizon will get the go-ahead to shut down some copper lines where they have FTTP lines... AT&T has less than 5% of it's entire residential customer base (wireline) on fiber.

If AT&T wants in on pstn shut-down they have to invest in replacing it with something else.. so they'll have to pick a poison... coax or fiber to the premise..

also, well past time for the fed to nudge AT&T to deploy more fiber... there are already thousands of nodes wired with fiber.. there really isn't much more point in letting it go to waste.. serving 25mbits a pop...
BravoGolf
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Luddite Here

For all the IP fanboys. What happens to all those with fax machines and or alarm systems that need POTS?
silbaco
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You can run them through a voip service. Even Magicjack.

nonamesleft
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Re: insane to gut pots regulations

said by me1212:

Depends on where you live. Back when my family moved in to our current house the phone was out for at least 48 hours a month, according to our neighbours it hasn't improved much. Where as with our IP based phone solution we have no, we've had much better service stability. Sure it took a bit of technological know how to set it up but it was worth it.

I use to have Callcentric, I got scairt off when they were having problems.

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Re: Not really unreasonable...

said by Terabit:

Typically seniors, ..... or folks out in rural America do not utilize the internet today.

As a WISP operator, I can tell you that you are very mistaken.
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