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Comments on news posted 2013-01-30 08:35:00: Both AT&T and Verizon are currently hanging up on tens of millions of DSL and copper POTS customers they don't want to upgrade, letting them either flee to cable competitors, or to their pricier and heavily capped LTE services. ..

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dplantz
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Bradenton, FL

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Re: Luddite Here

Alarm systems can be converted to all ip monitoring along with 3g wireless backup. Fax is becoming more and more a non issue. It works well with Cable voip. I have my fax hooked to an RCN cable voip connection and it works fine with Fax. My parents do the same with a Comcast cable voip connection

David
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Granite City, IL

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Re: What happens to fiber to the curb?!?

said by Gilitar:

BTW, I have asked David with AT&T direct support if he knows what the plans are and was simply ignored. Typical AT&T support!

I didn't ignore you... I have no answers for you... big difference. Truth also is I talk to a lot of people, sometimes I get back to everyone, sometimes I forget what I work on, or sometimes I clear my screen and don't know what I just done. I am only human sorry!

As far as the big plan for your area: Truthfully, my chances of finding out what "the big plans for (insert your area here)" are well beyond my reach. My snowball's chance in hell is if there is any construction going on and sit back and observe. Your chances out there are much greater than mine are here. my chances of finding out about your area are about as good as me winning the power-ball illinois lottery.

I help where I can, it's the best I can do.

tshirt
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Re: Not really unreasonable...

So raise money and start your own service.
To say "They suck, SOMEBODY should do better"
is a cop out(old school term, I know)
YOU just aren't trying hard enough.
Montezuma
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said by Terabit:

Typically seniors, tin foil or doomsday preper types, or folks out in rural America do not utilize the internet today.

said by TBBroadband:

Socialism doesn't work for everything, including Internet.

Based on what example though? Unfortunately, the gut-feelings of Glen Beck, faux news, Alex Jones and Rush do not count as legitimate quantifiable examples.

Are you serious? I live out in a rural area of the metro Atlanta area, and I can assure you that many people out here, including myself, access the Internet, and do so quite a lot. The problem is that most people around me don't have access to DSL/Uverse, cable Internet, or any other, reasonably priced, Internet access. I have to rely on Verizon LTE, and my girlfriend works for AT&T and requires internet access, at home, for her job.

She is 39 and I am 33. While we are still young, I can tell you that many "seniors" access the Internet, however they can, quite often. AT&T doesn't give a shit about any of us out here, and our fifty(plus) year old POTS network is on its way to utter failure. So, believe that AT&T needs to be split up again, or have more harsh regulation placed upon it.

We have a ton of fiber that has been laid around our county, but nothing has been, or apparently will be, done with it. The cable digging equipment was out here, working nonstop, three,or so, years ago. A lot of us were hopeful that some service option as coming, but it was probably AT&T laying fiber for future towers, or future tower upgrades.

I love living where I do. I have a lot of land, and privacy. At this point, I, just like there's like me, ahold be able to retain our lives and property and enjoy what those in slightly more populated areas have been enjoying for 20, or so years. We should also seeing the end of people trying to claim that those of us in rural areas are stupid, imbred, and/or not deserving or interested in Internet service.

Gilitar
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Mobile, AL

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Re: What happens to fiber to the curb?!?

Very well... I knew it was a long shot and I didn't expect you to know anything about my particular area. All I wanted to know is if AT&T has a plan for the fiber to the curb that Bellsouth built out to over 1 MILLION of AT&T's land line customers. A simple "I don't know" would have done and at this point is what I would expect from AT&T. You would think that something that affects that many darn customers wouldn't be a secret... especially when AT&T starts talking about disconnecting 25% of its land line customers! YEAH THAT'S RIGHT! 25% of us! I for one don't want LTE and will refuse to pay inflated prices because AT&T sees an opportunity to shake its customers down for more money. These facts are buried in the details of AT&T's plans. AT&T should have some information for inquiring customers when they start talking about disconnecting people!

Let me now ask you... Did you even inquire about my original question? I am quite certain that SOMEBODY at AT&T knows something.....

David
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said by Gilitar:

Let me now ask you... Did you even inquire about my original question? I am quite certain that SOMEBODY at AT&T knows something.....

I inquired down there a while back... Last answer I got back was is they had no ETA for upgrades or uverse at this time.

Gilitar
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said by David:

said by Gilitar:

Let me now ask you... Did you even inquire about my original question? I am quite certain that SOMEBODY at AT&T knows something.....

I inquired down there a while back... Last answer I got back was is they had no ETA for upgrades or uverse at this time.

Things have changed since then...

»www.att.com/gen/press-ro ··· id=35661

AT&T is now talking about disconnecting 25% of its territory.
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said by David:

said by Gilitar:

Let me now ask you... Did you even inquire about my original question? I am quite certain that SOMEBODY at AT&T knows something.....

I inquired down there a while back... Last answer I got back was is they had no ETA for upgrades or uverse at this time.

OH... And thank you for your response. I do realize that you aren't perfect and that you aren't responsible for AT&T's decisions.

David
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theory being you are FTTC currently. I don't see why they don't upgrade it. Since it's fiber already there just as well take advantage of it. So in your case, in theory, it would make sense to upgrade you. Now how will they go about doing it or when. Not sure, no one knows the answer to that.

However keep in mind that is just a theory.

Putting it another way: If I wreck my car tomorrow I might have to go buy a new one. That doesn't guarantee I will go to Weber Chevrolet and buy a car straight off the lot from them. While I am sure Weber Chevrolet in Granite city, IL would appreciate the business. It doesn't guarantee that I will buy a new 2013 traverse or 2013 avalanche from them, even if I had the cash in my pocket.

Now if there is a 2008 saturn outlook there really discounted I could be interested. However, price is everything.

Gilitar
join:2012-02-01
Mobile, AL

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HEHE... I'll take a 2008 Outlook vs the 1999 technology I'm driving.
Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA

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If regulated PSTN goes away, USF should go away too!

If the regulated Public Switched Telephone Network goes away only a corrupt government would keep the Universal Service Fund and any other telecommunications subsidies. AT&T and Verizon should also be forbidden from receiving any tax breaks or corporate welfare. They should also be required to face any and all competition without any high barriers to entry and even including competition from municipal governments. Once the de-regulation takes place it should also be made absolutely clear that AT&T and Verizon will have the right to fail with no bailouts and no guarantees of profits from the people or our government.

txpatriot
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Read the actual filings . . .

. . . then make up your own minds. You can find the latest comments and other filings at the FCC website under GN Docket No. 12-353:

»apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/procee ··· e=12-353

ryder9
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Re: PSTN Sunset

only 80 MB to the ONT... don't ask how I know.......also, the FTTP product is NOT ready for pimetime....there is no document that covers MDU installs... single family?.. fine.. but MDU geenfield developments in dense urban areas(MDU's) are a f..in nightmare....

NormanS
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MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
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said by ryder9:

only 80 MB to the ONT... don't ask how I know.......also, the FTTP product is NOT ready for pimetime....

Sounds about right for AT&T FTTP. I think they do it just for bragging rights; but, as currently deployed, nothing like Verizon's FiOS, or Google, Paxio, or Sonic.net fiber.

linicx
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You can add

You can add CenturyLink to the growing list no one is talking about. CL disconnected rural plants first and left us with .512 Mbps to sere 10K digital phones in the county. It reminds me of that Senator from Utah, I think it was Hatch, who exclaimed. "Raising minimum wage was unnecessary as any man could support a family and live comfortably on $3.00 per hour."

The result is a disaster. DSL over POTS to a conversion boxes is plagued by connectivity issues, high prices, and too many excuses to not fix it. IF CL did it would have to upgrade plants and pass on another increase for another half-*** system that won't work any better. It has not changed for the better in years. Every upgrade is a downgrade that is worse than what I had six years ago.

The game plan is to drop POTS nationwide, provide the least service for the greatest profit. Places like LV and Dallas get 25/25 while it brags that it provides 100Gbps to Paris and London. It forgets to mention the .512 up to rural -- if you are one of the very lucky buyers.

The telcos are heartless bastards who would rather watch rural customers die than provide them with a phone that is reliable in an emergency. Think of the advantage: Less linemen and service people. No more trouble calls 70 miles from the office they closed. Our regional office is 150 miles one-way. They closed three offices in two years.

Customers are not supposed to notice or complain when your call to 911 is dropped and when you call back "... not available, try again later."
TBBroadband
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Fremont, OH

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Re: PSTN Sunset

The FCC had the chance to regulate the Internet, back during Brand X. At that time they decided that the Internet was an Information Service and NOT a communications service. Thus is why you do not see company XXX offering cable internet on Charter or anyone else.

The FCC screwed up and should be gutted and redone. And leave the phone and Internet out of it, especially with the actual POTS slowly going away. We do not need regulation on the Internet and it taxed to high hell like other services.
AngryDallas
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Re: You can add

AT&T told me back in December that DSL is going away in my area and forced me to switch to UVerse.

There has been a few AT&T trucks around here at the 2 boxes to North East and to the South of my residence.

I've stopped by and spoke with them on 4 different occasions on 4 different days, each time it was a different Tech.

They all told me that DSL is not going away in my area and that I didn't have to switch to UVerse to avoid losing internet service.

So once again AT&T lied to me again!

linicx
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linicx

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The problem in all large corporations is the right hand does not know what the left is doing. DSL is not going way.

What is going away, or I should say, what AT&T and the other national telco are trying to do is drop the old POTS phone line that requires a pair of copper wires from the main office to the home. If they are successful, then the copper line will carry the digital signal to a D-A converter box. At this point the digital signal is converted to analog from the box to the house where part of the uplink speed is used for the digital telephone.

The advantage is you get a faster download speed and it costs telco less money to provide internet and phone. How fast or how well it works is not in your control. It is dictated by the equipment used by telco, and the equipment provided to you at your home by your phone company. I suspect the UVerse box is what holds the D-A converter for several customers; I've never seen one. If this is the case, you are not losing Internet, you are gaining a digital phone.

It is happening all over the country from coast to coast. The question is whether or not FCC will let them bypass federal law that requires them to provide telephone service to the most remote areas in the country.

Right now it is a bumpy ride, but it should improve in the next few months.
cubguy
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Lawrenceville, GA

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Re: PSTN Sunset

Or you could be like us. The phone guy uses our line to make test calls at the RT. (have heard him on the line before)....Wonderful when he forgets to plug it back in. Last outage was 18 hours and the only way we got it back then was to request an escalation because we have a handicapped person in the house with no other reliable service to call for emergencies.
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