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1 edit | Lucy Koh will get a swift kick in the ass in appeals..again. I wouldn't be surprised if they even go as far as overturning or putting the amount at something like $1 after the way they talked about her the first time.
Lucy Koh:
1. Left the money intact with a biased Jury foreman and a jury who decided way too early.
2. Did not listen to any cals of jury misconduct.
3. Was biased towards Apple from the start.
4. Left THE WRONG MONEY AMOUNTS (The total in damages from the products doesn't match up to the amount that the jury 'punished' Samsung for.
5. All while Apple's patents are being destroyed left and right by the USPTO.
This will go back to an appeals court that said Koh's decision to ban Samsung's tablet was 'at best, wrong'. Not only will this get overturned, but they will probably call for her to be investigated or to resign. |
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| Android is very similar to iOS. iPhone was on the market first and Android seems to be a duplicate of iOS. Android was released due to the fact AT&T had the iPhone by the calls. People wanted iPhones but refused to do business with AT&T so Google and Verizon released the Droids, I had an Android device and it seemed very similar to iPhone. I went back to iPhone after a few months.
If you've operated both an Android and an iOS device, they seem very similar to look and feel in terms of operation. In terms of IP litigation, Apple was first so they win.
I currently have the iPhone 5, iPad 3 and iPad Mini.
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1 edit | Pocket change for the 2nd run Samsung Why innovate when you can imitate? Wait for someone else to build a market, then roll in as the 2nd run and take 1/2 the market; little R&D cost and very low risk (as the market is proven by the 1st run). That isn't a criticism of Samsung, it's their business model and they have built it to the point that they are the world's largest consumer of semi, surpassing Apple. A billion dollars is NOTHING to Samsung and their massive mobility unit. Otherwise you can invest billions in a product that while some at the company may think bitchen, has no proven market...who knows if people would buy it or not. Look at the first Apple TV, the Newton, the Zune, just about every Windows phone. I remember when the iPhone and iPad rolled out...people here said neither would sell. Who would have figured not only would they sell, but they would sell hundreds of millions of them. A $600+ tablet that didn't run flash, had no apps...gazillions of them; completely decimating what was a vibrant Netbook market. Now it is nearly impossible to find a smartphone that isn't the full screen keyboardless configuration. Even the last gasp from RIM followed the form factor.
Innovation is risky...and I'm not talking about taking the same phone and making it a 1/2 inch bigger or making some small feature additions or changes. I'm talking about sinking billions into a platform that is 180 degrees away from where everyone else is. We see that Apple has had hits and misses. We're seeing the big miss Microsoft made with Metro.
Samsung is smart following Apple...let Apple spend all the money and make all the mistakes just as now, thanks to Microsoft, everyone knows not to put a tablet interface on the desktop. If they end up in court and cough up a billion, who cares, it's worth it and way cheaper than being the first one to do it. |
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Re: Lucy Koh will get a swift kick in the ass in appeals..again. said by Metatron2008:I wouldn't be surprised if they even go as far as overturning or putting the amount at something like $1 after the way they talked about her the first time.
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Not only will this get overturned, but they will probably call for her to be investigated or to resign.
There is ZERO chance this results in a $1 award. Either Samsung didn't infringe ($0 award) or they infringed (something more significant. The appeals court isn't going to make some type of a symbolic award of $1 that shows that Samsung did indeed infringe but what they infringed is so ridiculously stupid as it wasn't worth more than $1.
An active, sitting judge is not going to be asked to resign by an appeals court. They may issue a scathing decision, but her job is secure. It literally would take an act of Congress to remove her from her seat. |
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Re: Android is very similar to iOS. I don't know what you're looking at but Andriod and iOS do NOT look nor feel the same.
You just think that because you are in the Apple hypnosis mode. From all the things you post you seem to be a huge Apple fan. |
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If you've operated both an Android and an iOS device, they seem very similar to look and feel in terms of operation. In terms of IP litigation, Apple was first so they win.
Bullshit!
iOS is a boring lame grid of icons. Where’s the widgets? Which platform had key functionalities like voice to text, copy/paste and MMS first? If Android is a copy of iOS because it has icons in a grid, then every car must be a copy of Ford because they all have four wheels. Android and iOS are two options in a specific market, of course they are going to have a few similarities. When I ditched the iPhone, I was so relieved Android was drastically different then iPhone OS.
And by the way, the first Android phone was released on T-Moble in the United States, not Verizon. The Google G1 from HTC.
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He is a huge Apple fan along with VZW. And the fact is Google and VZ were not the first to launch an Android phone. It was HTC,TMO and Google. |
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Re: Pocket change for the 2nd run Samsung I'm still stuck at the "Apple innovating" thing. A bunch of crummy design patents and invalid utility patents doesn't really make me think "innovation".
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BBStorm had a touch screen keyboard. Nothing new on their lines. |
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Re: Android is very similar to iOS. Not really. Have had both and all the phones have things in common, but Android is different enough to be unique. |
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said by IowaCowboy:iPhone was on the market first and Android seems to be a duplicate of iOS. What does first to the market have anything to do with this?
Android was released due to the fact AT&T had the iPhone by the calls.
People wanted iPhones but refused to do business with AT&T so Google and Verizon released the Droids,
I had an Android device and it seemed very similar to iPhone. I went back to iPhone after a few months.
It wasn't until relatively recently that Apple v. everyone not Apple got into pissing matches about design and utility patents. And there is definitely similarities between some iPhone models and Android models (not to mention non-Android phones). But just because they are similar doesn't mean they are derived from, or infringing of.
If you've operated both an Android and an iOS device, they seem very similar to look and feel in terms of operation. In terms of IP litigation, Apple was first so they win. |
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said by Steve Mehs:Which platform had key functionalities like voice to text, copy/paste and MMS first?
Symbian? Windows Mobile?
When I think of what made iPhone revolutionary, the "key feature" was a truly usable mobile browser with intuitive pinch-zoom gestures that updated fluidly, and that it was a touch-screen device that didn't require a stylus. Compared to everything I used before it, it was also tremendously scratch resistant.
If you're looking at features like MMS, voice-to-text, and copy/paste, you're completely forgetting what made the iPhone so revolutionary. We had those things before iPhone or Android.
All this said, modern Android has surpassed iOS in plenty of ways, and that's a great thing.
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Re: Android is very similar to iOS. You should use newer Jelly Bean. I have it on my Nexus 7 and I can tell you (minus the runaway processes and battery life), JB has lapped ios a few times now. I still have my ipad (cellular) because my key apps are still only on ios and because there are no good Android cellular tablets. The other older ipads have gone to the kids because they are fodder now. BUT for their day they were superior to anything else out there, and I have yet to find an android device that wasn't a vampire with the battery. It is simply not as green as ios.
I HATE my iphone 4s because I can't do something simple like put the icons where I want them. I can drone on, but the lack of customization and innovation is going to kill Apple sooner or later. OK so they come out with a plastic iphone, oops Android has had that for a long time. A ghetto iphone to go with ghetto Ios... Should tank the stock another 100 points.
For the patents, they are trivial common sense ones that have no place being patents in the first place. Samsung has become too big now for Apple to snuff out in the courts. Android now has 70% of the market, and if Apple behaves like they did in the 80's you can put them in single digits for market share again. WHEN carriers get rid of device subsidies, people are going to scratch their head and say $850 for an iphone or $350 for an Android phone. |
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Re: Pocket change for the 2nd run Samsung It really is love/hate when it comes to Apple.
They didn't invent the wheel, BUT they don't copy everything from someone else, either. They didn't get to the point they're at without doing something right.
I can remember when Michael Dell said Apple should shut down & return what they could to their shareholders. So much for that, MSFT just threw them a life preserver of cash. I still think Dell makes some good product, they just failed to adapt to the current market.
Apple, along with Microsoft, Dell, HP, And a host of others are great companies. All have come up with innovative products & concepts over the years.
Hate Apple all you want, it's still a great company that's come out with products that SELL.
And in the end, selling product is the point.....
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4 edits | Sure, they didn't invent the wheel. They create a market for it...then everyone else rolls in selling their own wheels and oddly they look just like Apple's right down to identical box art.
It is easy once Apple shows them how to do it. But that's fine. That is what 2nd run companies do. They don't innovate, they imitate and make a crap-load of money doing it.
Simply put, Apple CREATES the market for goods while Samsung only serves existing markets. They couldn't innovate their way out of a paper sack and they create no compelling products. They create no new market, no revolutionary anything. Nothing they make has you saying "Wow!"
There was no market for all touch phones before the iPhone. Look at what was selling...it wasn't some all touch LG that no one had ever heard of. It was the plastic button stuff, the Treos and Blackberries, the button filled crap Samsung was making before the iPhone was released. People were bummed that the iPhone didn't have a physical keyboard. The iPhone was 180 degrees from where the rest of the market was.
There was no market for "ultra books" until the MBA was released. A few companies responded like Dell with their failed Adamo, but the rest waited to see how the market reacted. After the first MBA was a slow turd Apple rolled with Core i5 and i7s (while everyone else was still doing C2DLVs) and the notebooks became very popular. Now on the PC side there is a MacBook Air class of sub notebooks, the ultrabooks, and to no surprise, they all look identical to the MacBook Air. More 2nd runs to Apple creating a market for $1000 consumer (not boutique $4000 jobs for roadwarriors) sub-notebooks.
There was no market for tablets before the iPad. Sure, IBM/Lenovo and Dell made some very pricey PC based tablets along with some others but they didn't sell. Microsoft KNEW that tablets were the future but struggled in the tablet space for years because they were doing it wrong. Apple created the market for it. They didn't invent it. They did something infinitely more important; they showed the entire industry how to do a tablet that people WANTED. Now all the tablets look and function like the iPad. Sure they're different in the small details but overall, they're all just like the iPad. From Samsung slavishly copying Apple's box art to Microsoft slavishly copying Apple Retail stores (we have one in Mission Viejo and it is identical to the Apple Store except there are no people in it)...everyone follows Apple.
Apple is the first run company in this industry. Samsung and everyone else follow that market leader. That is simply the fact. Apple haters can hate all the want but they wouldn't have their products of choice if Apple didn't show those device makers how to do it and do it successfully. |
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Re: Android is very similar to iOS. Wrong. Android has a file manger, the user has full control and can customize all they want. IOS = Control from Apple over your experience, very little ability to customize. A bunch of unorganized App icons where the APPS themselves own the files. There is nothing like IOS and there never will since it is highly proprietary code. Try looking at the dual multitasking screens that Jellybean has on Samsung's note II. This is stuff that IOS can only dream about. Android is far more powerful. It can do everything IOS can. But IOS surely can't do everything Android can and that is a pure fact. To list a few: playing XVID, MKV, FLAC files, playing Flash, having a real file manager.
Obviously, all you must have done on your droid was to click on APPS. But underneath is a tons of options that allows a user to tweak their Android to their hearts delight. If you like to tweak and customize, IOS is woefully frustrating indeed. Also not sure what version of Android you were using, but the new Jellybean Android is years ahead of IOS in functionality. |
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Re: Pocket change for the 2nd run Samsung Big problem with your argument is that Apple can control what APPS you can use. What codecs they will allow, and what codecs they won't allow, which is most of them. IPAD is very limited in codec support. Still can't run flash and there is a ton of flash sites still out there. They don't even give the user the option to decide that.. they decide for you..like everything else IOS is about. I hate Apple not for the reasons you quote. But because Android gives me more choice. Allows me to run all my Xvid, MKV's etc.. without having to transcode them to Apples standards. Gives me a file manager and the freedom to carry as many 32GB SD I want. Andoid allows me to customize and to even install non market apps if I so choose to. IOS is suffocating IMO. Its limiting and inflexible to what I WANT to do with my device. Other then that, I admit fully that Apple makes some sweet hardware. Nothing against OSX either. But IOS was designed to control the user end and I don't appreciate that. That's the real reason people bash iphone, ipad.. not for the hardware but for the closed ended IOS. |
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