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Comments on news posted 2013-01-31 16:21:01: Independent California ISP Sonic.net has announced that they've teamed with former rival DSLExtreme to help bring the company's bonded ADSL2+ services to Los Angeles. ..


leibold
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join:2002-07-09
Sunnyvale, CA
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·SONIC.NET

What about fiber ?

Sonic has started the process of converting copper based Fusion to fiber based connections with 100Mbps and 1Gbps speeds. Is this something that Sonic's ISP partners will be doing as well ?

This would hopefully speed up the spread of FTTH high speed Internet.
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall

join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA

Re: What about fiber ?

Cruzio has been planting fiber here in santa cruz if your close enough. They charge $999 mo plus 999 setup for symetrical 100mbs and $1999 mo 1999 setup for 1Gbps.

The residential plans are adsl2+ 20/$49.95 and 40Mbps/$79.95.
They are partners with sonic.

Dam I need to move closer.
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kleis3

join:2009-10-12
Panorama City, CA

Re: What about fiber ?

Hi, Glad I saw this about DSL (today) here and Fusion, etc...When you mentioned the phone service w/plan of 40 dollars per month, do you know if that's aside of the tax and fees as they laid out in a section when referring to the fusion subscription plan and depending on city (like mine's 15.40 (I think it said)) and so that's outside of the regular phone charges and the fusion connect, right(?) I mean for the price of all of it's not too bad, but the tax kind of suks, but that's normal. Also, since I'm Cal. lifeline-eligible, is that going to work itself in w/DSL as the phone carrier (if I upgrade to service, that is)? I know you're not working at DSLextreme, sorry, I was looking to get email back of this same inquiry but no dies yet.
Thanks either way, take care*
kleis
kleis3

join:2009-10-12
Panorama City, CA
(wow) Gaforces, You know what, I apologize, I asked a question in a thread to your fiber and I realize it was the thread or post below or after yours who i was going to post the question about the fees/tax and so that's 'lemonade's post. Sorry again!
I was drawn in to your United We Stand Divided We Fall and that needs to hover high and mighty over the skies especially now, to get that word out.
Sorry again for the mistake.
kleis3
lemonade

join:2003-12-13
Los Angeles, CA

finally...

have waited for a long time for this, for $40, i may jump on it. I have 2 houses, 1 using ATT land line + sonic 3M DSL, about $30 total, the other charter 30/4 $30 promo rate.
I like sonic's model and pricing.
elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·EarthLink

2 edits

Not $40/month

More like $55, when you include the phone tax and the SSR charge.

If you're a heavy, traditional landline user, and you're reasonably close to the central office, its quite competitive versus a double-play option from Time Warner.

But if you're farther down the line or don't want dialtone, it doesn't seem like such a deal.

The good news is that Sonic is handling the traffic, so other than the usual AT&T-copper folly, there shouldn't be any issues with achieving the maximum potential speed.

djrobx
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join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
kudos:2
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·Time Warner Cable
·VOIPO

Cool!

I assume this is only good for CO-fed customers, which leaves me out of the party, but I applaud them for giving us alternative options.

Not holding my breath, but it would be really be interesting if Sonic/DSLX brought FTTH to LA's AT&T customers.

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mackey
Premium
join:2007-08-20
kudos:13

YES!!

Looks like our office qualifies. As we currently have AT&T's 18/1 ADSL2+ package the 18->20 mbps increase probably won't be noticeable, but getting 2.5 on the upstream will be most welcome.

/M
BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH

How slow is TWC?

How bad is TAC that this is actually appealing? I have 25/4 on Comcast, and it's soon going to 50/10, leaving anything DSL can do in the DUST.
elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·EarthLink

Re: How slow is TWC?

said by BiggA:

How bad is TAC that this is actually appealing? I have 25/4 on Comcast, and it's soon going to 50/10, leaving anything DSL can do in the DUST.

TAC [sic] blows this offer away, generally, but for some narrow circumstances, Fusion wins, and for some, going with the little guy (Sonic) is important, while others just hate CableCo regardless. Some day, theoretically, our Fusion services will be supplanted by Sonic FTTH. We'll see.

Its great to have any alternative to AT&T or cable; Fusion is viable for some. But as you've noted, Cable can easily double their speed, and they will. TWC upped download speeds 50% this year while keeping rates flat (absent the stupid modem fee, which Sonic and DSLX mimic in their own way).

I think Sonic seriously mis-stepped by requiring dialtone and the modem rental, instead of offering up a two-pair naked service pushing 40M. But they can only do so much - they may be focusing their resources on near-term FTTH.
tanzam75

join:2012-07-19

1 edit

Re: How slow is TWC?

said by elray:

I think Sonic seriously mis-stepped by requiring dialtone and the modem rental, instead of offering up a two-pair naked service pushing 40M. But they can only do so much - they may be focusing their resources on near-term FTTH.

According to Sonic, this is because they've run into a lot of problems with dry-loop service: »corp.sonic.net/ceo/2012/03/01/fu···changes/

Summary: Dry loops create a lot of problems with the install, and are also liable to be "stolen," as technicians use the absence of dialtone to indicate that a pair is not in use.

By forcibly bundling dialtone, they enable self-installs, are guaranteed to get a known-working copper pair, and become immune to line-"stealing" because the AT&T technician will hear a dialtone.
elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·EarthLink

Re: How slow is TWC?

said by tanzam75:

said by elray:

I think Sonic seriously mis-stepped by requiring dialtone and the modem rental, instead of offering up a two-pair naked service pushing 40M. But they can only do so much - they may be focusing their resources on near-term FTTH.

According to Sonic, this is because they've run into a lot of problems with dry-loop service: »corp.sonic.net/ceo/2012/03/01/fu···changes/

Summary: Dry loops create a lot of problems with the install, and are also liable to be "stolen," as technicians use the absence of dialtone to indicate that a pair is not in use.

By forcibly bundling dialtone, they enable self-installs, are guaranteed to get a known-working copper pair, and become immune to line-"stealing" because the AT&T technician will hear a dialtone.

Actually, Sonic's blog entry you cite says nothing about problems with dry loops, nor does dry loop negate self-install, while the presence of dialtone does not guarantee it.

I take no issue with a CEO sacrificing certain niche customers if they don't fit within the company's most efficient service model. But Dane hasn't made that case, not that he has to. I'm just suggesting that the 40M product has the potential to keep Sonic relevant over the next few years, while CableCo and U-Verse continue to improve their speed tiers.

mackey
Premium
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kudos:13
said by BiggA:

How bad is TAC that this is actually appealing? I have 25/4 on Comcast, and it's soon going to 50/10, leaving anything DSL can do in the DUST.

It's not just the speed, it's the price: 15/1 is $60, 20/2 is $70, 30/5 is $80 and 50/5 is $90. If you have a small business (say a retail store or something) it's even more ridiculous: 10/1 is $120, 15/2 is $240, 35/5 is $276 and 50/5 is $360.

/M
elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA

Re: How slow is TWC?

Our TWC rates are about half those you cite for the same speeds, so Fusion harder to justify, even before you consider the throes of dealing with AT&T's deluxe copper.
BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
That is kind of insane. I'm paying around $65 (not including the new customer deal I'm on right now) for 25/4, soon to be 50/10 on Comcast.

NormanS
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
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·Pacific Bell - SBC

Re: How slow is TWC?

said by BiggA:

That is kind of insane. I'm paying around $65 (not including the new customer deal I'm on right now) for 25/4, soon to be 50/10 on Comcast.

Getting 25/4 isn't as important to me as the phone frills (AT&T would charge me an extra $28 a month for them), static IP address (AT&T Internet price would double for this), delegation of reverse IP, the explicit permission to run servers, and a low-cost DNS zone for my domain. Neither Comcast, nor TWC will provide all of that for anything short of business class price.
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BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH

Re: How slow is TWC?

Landline phone? What's that? lol. I guess a static IP is one thing, although at this point in the game, why are you running servers locally?

NormanS
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Re: How slow is TWC?

said by BiggA:

Landline phone? What's that? lol. I guess a static IP is one thing, although at this point in the game, why are you running servers locally?

Because I can.
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Norman
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TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH

teamed up??

How long before Sonic is absorbed into Ikano too?

HaloFans

join:2006-12-18

Will they be adding more areas in SoCal?

I see that Orange County will be added later, but I see some neighboring cities in the current footprint that are not available.
dragonman300

join:2011-03-02
Anaheim, CA
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Re: Will they be adding more areas in SoCal?

said by HaloFans:

I see that Orange County will be added later, but I see some neighboring cities in the current footprint that are not available.

Can I have website link so I can read more info for Orange County??
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HaloFans

join:2006-12-18

Re: Will they be adding more areas in SoCal?

See the "Coming soon" section.

»www.dslextreme.com/fusionbroadba···idential
dragonman300

join:2011-03-02
Anaheim, CA
kudos:1

Re: Will they be adding more areas in SoCal?

Awesome! thanks!