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Comments on news posted 2013-01-31 18:22:26: Comcast finished their digital conversion in 2012 after starting it in 2009, and had been giving users a free digital converter so they could continue to watch programming without interruption. ..

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r81984
Fair and Balanced
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join:2001-11-14
Katy, TX
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·row44
reply to Zoder

Re: Nasty

Outlets are free as houses are pre-wired.
Comcast just has to plug into a homes splitter.

So if they said $1.50 per outlet and they did not install your outlet then they should take the $1.50 off per converter and you should only have to pay the $.50.
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tc1uscg

join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI
reply to Morac

Re: I returned mine and and had $2 pulled from the bill

said by Morac:

I returned mine last month. Comcast charged me a $2 service change fee to do so. Can't win either way.

Then why not walk in and hand them a made up invoice and charge them an “inconvenience fee”? There used to be services centers all over the place, now, I have to drive 10 miles to the nearest one. There were 2 within 5 miles 2 years ago. Therefore, I’m having to drive further because they can have a truck drop by and pick it up. All’s fair. A fuel surcharge, a inconvenience fee, even a nuisance fee. If anything, you will confuse the hell out of the lady behind the bullet proof glass.


r81984
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Katy, TX
Reviews:
·row44
reply to kaila

Re: got me by the...

said by kaila:

Hopefully you're close enough to the Boston market when Aereo comes to town. Aereo's service connected through a Roku box for each set gives 1hr day for free, or unlimited w/20hrs DVR storage for $8mo.

Aereo is only for OTA tv which is free.
Aereo is really for those that want to watch OTA tv on their mobile phones or tablets over the internet.
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r81984
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Katy, TX
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reply to anon anon

Re: Big deal

said by anon anon :

Everyone and his mother knew that they wouldn't be free forever. It had been stated you get it for 2 years free then you pay $2 a month. So why get mad now? You had 2 years warning. It's kind of like a kid that acts up and the parent tells them if they do it again they'll get spanked and they act up again but are yet somehow totally shocked when they get their ass beat.

Yes they should be free forever because they cost less than $5 to make and comcast is purposely making it so your TV will not work with cable anymore without the box.
Comcast should be selling them outright for $5 to $10 for those that want extra.
This is why we need government intervention that does not allow them to rent, they must sell them outright and allow 3rd party competitors to sell devices that will work.
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anon anon

@charter.com
reply to Zoder

said by Zoder:

Maybe Charter said that. Comcast said they would be free peiod. No timetable.

Actually they said 2 years.


YukonHawk

join:2001-01-07
Patterson, NY

Do you have proof of that?


amungus
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join:2004-11-26
America
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·Cox HSI
·KCH Cable

suck

Here's a thought or two.
Cable was originally intended to be easier and better than having an antenna.
Nobody seems to remember or care.

Cable ready was great. Now they have the opportunity to say "look, satellite needs a box too!" ...and pretty much screw everyone into thinking it's needed.

Why even bother with QAM tuners in things anymore? There really needs to be am "addressable" standard tuner, much like a cable modem, if they intend to pull such shit.

No good reason a TV, with no box attached, should not be able to get cable, with 99% of available channels. Arguing about satellite is ridiculous, as the method of receiving is vastly different, and requires retransmission from satellites owned by the provider (or, leased, in directv's case).



cdru
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7
reply to cdbma

Re: got me by the...

said by cdbma:

I like the idea of taking them back and seeing if they blink.

Why would they blink? You're either going to pay the DTA rental fee, the STB rental fee, or get rid of the TV. No matter what way you look at it, you lose.


Corehhi

join:2002-01-28
Bluffton, SC
Reviews:
·Hargray Cable

1 recommendation

reply to KrK

Re: I returned mine and and had $2 pulled from the bill

said by KrK:

Wonder how many people who always are resigned to cable bill increases won't notice and just be paying from now until __________ for something they are not using.

Trust me, it will happen. Then will come the lawsuit(s)....

That's why companies love if you sign up to have your bill automatically taken out of your checking account. You might not notice forever.


Corehhi

join:2002-01-28
Bluffton, SC
Reviews:
·Hargray Cable
reply to Mr Matt

Re: Nasty

Mr. Matt wrong very wrong. People were hacking the boxes at a huge rate there was a whole industry going on, the boxes weren't hacked but the cards were. The sat companies charged you $4.95 for ever extra receiver you had if I remember right, they were not free. Of course if you had a hacked card you used your good cam number for the other cards oh wait a minute, never mine how all that worked. You did by the boxes but they had to program the cards for you for ever receiver unless you wanted to run off of one receiver and only watch one channel at a time.



Corehhi

join:2002-01-28
Bluffton, SC
Reviews:
·Hargray Cable
reply to cdbma

Re: got me by the...

said by cdbma:

I have two analog TVs. I was thrilled when Comcast gave me two DAs for no charge. Well done...or so I thought. Now I'm being charged $2/month for each. If I ditch the DAs, I have to ditch the TVs (I tried a D/A adapter and a DTV antenna - not great). So, I can send a message by returning, but then I'd have to get new DTVs, which would require two STBs - at additional cost.

I'm hosed!

I like the idea of taking them back and seeing if they blink.

I replaced an old 30 inch tube Tv with a LCD and I swear my electric bill went noticeably down. My 30 inch was from 94 something like that low end model and I think I actually saved enough money by now on electricity to pay for the TV.

Sammer

join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA
reply to anon anon

Re: Big deal

It is a big deal because this is about one thing only, Comcast's greed. Eliminating analog cable and using dirt cheap DTAs to help them do it has saved Comcast $Billions.


Sammer

join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA
reply to amungus

Re: suck

said by amungus:

No good reason a TV, with no box attached, should not be able to get cable, with 99% of available channels. Arguing about satellite is ridiculous, as the method of receiving is vastly different, and requires retransmission from satellites owned by the provider (or, leased, in directv's case).

Technically Dish TV doesn't own satellites but Charlie Ergen does control both Echostar and Dish TV.

patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1
reply to Corehhi

Re: got me by the...

Can't watch it from the side. No thanks, I'll stick with my tube HDTV.



LightS
Premium
join:2005-12-17
Greenville, TX

Nonsense. We have numerous LCD TV's, LED TV's, and I recently bought a new Plasma.

Best viewing angle is the LED - Plasma 2nd, LCD third. However, the LCD is fine, you only have issues when the TV is not parallel to your viewing angle. Side viewing is fine.



Wolf

@comcast.net
reply to Sammer

Re: Big deal

Actually this isn't some scheme Comcast hatched. Comcast wasn't given a choice by the FCC. They were facing a federal mandate to stop analog broadcast over cable, they even managed to extend that deadline by three years. They were losing all of the air broadcast content anyway so going digital was simply inevitable. Comcast structured their deal so that they profit from it in the long run but even renting you all cable boxes for $2 a month doesn't do much to stem the cost of billions of dollars in fiber optic infrastructure for the changeover. You can bet they're still paying the cost of those improvements you're enjoying.


alexintexas

join:2003-01-11
San Antonio, TX
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
reply to Mr Matt

Re: Nasty

said by Mr Matt:

I am particularly irritated because I replaced two televisions in 2011 in guest bedrooms so visitors could watch TV without interfering with our viewing. At that time it was not necessary to use a STB to receive 70 extended basic channels. Then Comcast cut it down to 21 limited basic channels. Now it is 0 channels. In view of the fact that our lawmakers are corrupt do not expect to see any action to resolve this gouging. I am sure that Comcast will continue to raise prices on the DTA's until consumers are paying $5.00 or more per month without being able to view all programming that they are paying for. I cannot justify paying $9.95 plus tax per month for an HD STB that is only used a couple of weeks per year.

so what would your recommendation be?

have 1,2,15,25,50,100,200 analog channels?
then in that case have 1/2 your subscriber base stealing the service and screw the signal levels for everyone else = 1000's of un needed service calls/visits

go back to 1990 with 70 analog channels and 256kb internet if your lucky, no phone service, no dvr, no on demand and still have major signal issues due to theft of service

who pays for the upfront cost of equipment????
cable co are not going to eat these cost's and now due to content providers continued path of programming rate hikes. cable gets less and less profit. so now to keep those profits they jack the rental on equipment

you can build your own dvr box and put in the cable card/s
but even for a 3 tv setup the upfront cost are VERY high for most US consumers.

so i again ask you what is your recommendation?


Scree
In the pipe 5 by 5

join:2001-04-24
Mount Laurel, NJ

sad

Well, looks like I'll be returning my 2 DTAs, and dropping down to digital economy level soon. Will probably stick with Blast for now, though, so getting stuff from eztv.it will be quicker. heh



cork1958
Cork
Premium
join:2000-02-26
reply to anon anon

Re: Big deal

said by anon anon :

Everyone and his mother knew that they wouldn't be free forever. It had been stated you get it for 2 years free then you pay $2 a month. So why get mad now? You had 2 years warning. It's kind of like a kid that acts up and the parent tells them if they do it again they'll get spanked and they act up again but are yet somehow totally shocked when they get their ass beat.

Yeah BF69,
Just like the modems Charter hands out are free, for now, but you and I know we WILL be paying for them eventually, if it isn't already hidden in the bills total. I don't know that fact for sure as I still have my own modem!

This Comcast trick is nothing new though. All cable company's are nothing but back stabbing, greedy as heck corporations!
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tpkatl

join:2009-11-16
Dacula, GA

Karl, why is this news? On the front page...

This has been going on for at least 4 months; it was commented on in these very forums back in December.

Yes, it is slimy and odious of Comcast to play bait-and-switch, but it isn't news.



Robotics
See You On The Dark Side
Premium
join:2003-10-23
Louisa, VA

FU*K Comcast (and all the others)

This shit is getting old.

I have one of those boxes and was told it would be free forever at the time they gave me the box.
And now they are going to charge for it. lol

Yup, I'm returning mine. I hope a lot of others do to.
Would love to know they have tons of these cheap ass boxes laying around their warehouse collecting Comcrap dust.
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AVD
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join:2003-02-06
Onion, NJ
kudos:1
reply to swintec

Re: Nasty

said by swintec:

I look at TV without a box / dta (analog channels) as maybe a little benefit they extended to customers but it is time to move on and free up the bandwidth for more services.

I get 0 channels if I plug my analog TV in. I never bothered to try to plug in a digital TV.
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Mr Matt

join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL
kudos:1
Reviews:
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·Embarq Now Centu..
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·CenturyLink
reply to Corehhi

The cable service I subscribe to started to gouge customers before I subscribed to service. They originally included one digital STB in the price of digital service. If the subscriber added a DVR they paid for the DVR and still were entitled to a no charge STB. My cable service provider started gouging by eliminating the no charge STB and charging full price for the DVR, no credit for the STB if a subscriber added a DVR. If you subscribed to two DVR's you were charged for two DVR's you did not get a no charge STB or a credit for the one that was not supplied. Just another way to gouge customers.

You mention that the first receiver a DBS provider is included in the cost of basic service. Additional receivers incur additional charges. At least the DBS service providers provide one receiver in the cost of programming.


Mr Matt

join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL
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reply to alexintexas

REGULATION is the answer. Up until last year I could receive up to around 70 channels without additional equipment on a cable ready television set. That was fine for guests that wanted to catch up on the news or cartoons for the kids. We are back to the pre Cable Television Consumer Protection and Competition Act of 1992.

There was an article about why the act was made law. Some congressmen and senators were pissed off because they could purchase a cable ready television and not use the remote control because they had to rent a descrambling converter to watch programming on each television. That was the main reason that the Cable Television Consumer Protection and Competition Act of 1992 was passed. The lawmakers got tired of being screwed by the cable industry. The cable companies were only allowed to scramble premium and pay per view programming.

One solution would be to regulate the price of equipment to descramble an encrypted signal. The cable company could charge a one time right to use fee and no monthly fee. Ownership and maintenance cost would be the responsibility of the cable company. An incentive to keep the equipment in good condition would be to return part of the right to use fee if the customer cancelled service. The DTA's should be provided at a low cost say $25.00 with no monthly charge. Ownership would be retained by the cable company. The DTA would have to be returned when service was discontinued. Cable companies should be prohibited from charging for each outlet.

I would be satisfied if I could purchase a STB at best buy or any other store, that accommodated one cable card and did not require that I paid a monthly fee for that outlet. Do not expect to have any relief on this gouging since the cable industry is paying off our corrupt lawmakers to screw their constituents.


Mr Matt

join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL
kudos:1
Reviews:
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·Embarq Now Centu..
·Comcast
·CenturyLink
reply to r81984

Review section 17 of the Cable Television Consumer Protection and Competition Act of 1992 here:

»en.wikisource.org/wiki/Cable_Tel···_of_1992

Don't expect relief on cost as the cable industry has lobbied up.


Joe12345678

join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL
reply to Mr Matt

in canada you can buy the box with out the outlet or mirroring fees. Some systems even have rent to own as well.



PeteC2
Got Mouse?
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join:2002-01-20
Bristol, CT
kudos:6
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·Comcast
reply to cork1958

Re: Big deal

I guess then that I am the only other Comcast customer to be aware of this?

In my apartment complex, when the switch was being made, Comcast came out and gave us the DTAs. We were clearly told that this was free for the next two years, but that there would be a nominal monthly charge down the road.

I have no issue about anyone who decides that this charge makes Comcast service to expensive to keep...everybody has the right to vote with their wallets...but IMHO, it is a bit silly to ascribe some terrible/evil intent on Comcast's part.

I don't really care where the extra $4.00 amonth comes from (Would it be any better if it was a television service for space aliens fee?). I am only concerned about whether my total bill is acceptable to my enjoyment/usage versus cost or not, and how it compares to alternative sources price wise.
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PeteC2
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reply to YukonHawk

said by YukonHawk:

Do you have proof of that?

Well, I will take his word for it. All 285 units at my apartment complex were informed about the eventual cost back when Comcast rolled out the DTAs.
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PeteC2
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reply to Robotics

Re: FU*K Comcast (and all the others)

It would not necessarily surprise me at all if someone inadvertantly told you that. Comcast is a huge company, and not all personnel always seem to get the same message. Not defending that, but just saying that I am not surprised either.

Seriously though, I live in an apartment complex of some 285 units, and I can tell you that Comcast clearly stated to us that the DTAs were free "now", but would have a monthly charge a couple of years down the road.
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Morac
Cat god

join:2001-08-30
Riverside, NJ
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Comcast
reply to r81984

Re: Nasty

Comcast has been charging $7.50 "outlet fees" for people who use their own equipment (i.e. cableCards) simply because they can.

Comcast originally rented cable boxes for $10 a month, but then lost this revenue when people switched to using their own equipment. So Comcast decided to rent cable boxes for $2.50 with a $7.50 outlet fee. People who rent from Comcast see no change in price, but people using their own equipment are suddenly socked with a $7.50 per device surcharge.

Basically Comcast is finding ways of implementing fees when there's no real reason to do so. For example the $10 "HD Technology Fee" which Comcast charges if you want HD channels. That fee applies whether or not you actually rent an HD box from Comcast (even if you have an SD TV) so it's simply a money grab.
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