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kudos:2 | Seems you would want to deploy in densely populated areas ...if for no other reason than to be able able to claim X million people covered (whether they subscribe or not). Deploying in Waco, TX doesn't do much good for the marketing front. |
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| Sprint does not have the resources to deploy in densely populated areas unlike VZW and AT&T. For one they will never learn how to build a network like VZW does. |
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| HO Hum Still waiting for something called 4G service here in the greater Bay Area as I have been paying for it on three EVO 4Gs for quite some time. I would imagine that this latest is yet another "much ado about nothing" situation. SPRINT will sell a LTE enabled phone and charge for the "functionality" and "rich Data accessibility" yet there will be no way to employ that functionality yet we will have to pay for it "just in case" and just because they can. Fool me once shame on me but I won't be fooled a second time. |
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Re: Seems you would want to deploy in densely populated areas said by m3nphls:Sprint does not have the resources to deploy in densely populated areas unlike VZW and AT&T. For one they will never learn how to build a network like VZW does.
Talk about spewing ignorant shit out of your mouth...
Sprint is deploying NV on every tower throughout the whole country and they are not giving priority to any place in specific. Of course a place with only a couple towers will get done first than a dense market with hundreds of towers even if they were working at the same rate. Also, it's not the case that not deploying on small markets would speed up larger markets as they are using local contractors.
Please refer to S4GRU.com for any fact-based information but something tells me you just enjoy being ignorant for the sake of it.
Also, it will be fun to see Verizon go back to every tower and replace their release 9 hardware with release 10 in order to get LTE-Advanced whereas Sprint only needs a software update (as they are deploying release 10 hardware). But now thinking about it, it's not like Verizon will have to go back to every site as they have not and will not put LTE on every tower, whereas Sprint will convert ALL their 3G towers to LTE.
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1 edit | I'm not going to say that Sprint can't do it, but facts are facts, Sprint is doing this deployment backwards for the most part, every other carrier deploys to dense Urban Markets first, even T-mobile.
I don't know why they are deploying to such small markets first, but it's definitely strange.
Also Verizon is deploying to LTE to every 3G market, while it's possible that some areas of certain rural markets may not see LTE this year, the simple fact is that these are areas that Sprint doesn't cover either, the reason Sprint can say they are targeting every cell site for this rollout is because it's network is much smaller than Verizon's, Sprint depends on Verizon for roaming coverage in areas there network doesn't reach. As I am a former Verizon customer i know Verizon and those last cell sites will get LTE, it just might be later than 2014, Not to put down Sprint, but Verizon knows how to deploy networks and how to keep them running well.
They are too expensive for me, I use T-mobile. But we have to give props where they are due. |
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| Ok thanks for the coherent reply.
I agree with you, there's no denying Verizon has the better network, I just got carried away with the above poster bashing Sprint with no facts.
As I explained, Sprint is replacing all the hardware in all their towers nationwide and they are doing this with local contractors. Of course a town that has 10 towers will get done a lot faster than a large market with hundreds of towers. And like I said, they are using local contractors, so if they were to stop the deployment in smaller towns this would NOT boost the deployment rate of the larger market. Makes sense?
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| It does make sense, I was just acknowledging the fact that the deployment is not the norm for most carrier's. |
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Dallas, PA | Better than T-Mobile At least Sprint is deploying LTE across their entire footprint. T-Mobile's swiss-cheese refarm and LTE deployment will be no comparison to Sprint in my opinion.
I think Sprint will be a serious contender in 2014. |
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Re: HO Hum It happens, I waited for over a year to get LTE after buying a thunderbolt on Verizon for 4G to get to me. Buying a 4G phone before LTE is deployed to your area is a gamble, how close you are to a urban area normally makes your chances better.
I sold my thunderbolt 6 months after LTE because of bad battery life and upgraded, you never know  |
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Re: Better than T-Mobile I wouldn't be so quick to downplay T-mobile, there refarm is in process just like Sprint's LTE deployment and as far as percentage of deployment, T-mobile is farther along in their deployments.
Not to mention that for many T-mobile customer's LTE really isn't a huge deal on this network, I get 15mbps down and 2 up in my area of NJ, it's routinely faster than Verizon LTE connections in this area.
granted Verizon has more users.
Sprint desperately needs LTE, as their 3G network is slow as molasses, and the deployment hasn't been very fast and has frequently been called patchy.
Both carriers need work, T-mobile's weak spot is it's existing edge network in many parts of the country, though for us who live near big urban areas on the east or west coasts, it's rarely affects us.
I hope they both get stronger this year, Verizon and AT&T need serious competition. |
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Paragould, AR | reply to Twaddle
Re: HO Hum While I have been victim to that 10$ fee since my first EVO4G almost 3yrs ago (now on the Note II), even with that fee it's still cheaper than VZ or AT&T. I'm willing to wait it out. Sprint will have LTE everywhere eventually. I just hope it's sooner rather than later.
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Re: Better than T-Mobile I agree. If Sprint can keep their pricing below AT&T and VZ and continue to offer true unlimited, AND get LTE across their entire footprint, I think they'll see some serious uptick in their customer base.
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True. I do use T-Mobile but live in an iffy market. Luckily I get 3G at home and on my campus so it's not a huge deal...and routinely 15-20mbps down and 3mbps up. LTE is not important to me...what is important is overall coverage, and coupled with Sprint's lower spectrum, I think they will be in a better place than T-Mobile in terms of overall coverage.
I think T-Mo just needs to stop cheaping out on where they put their antennas. There's a few "popular" cell sites in my market still on copper, barely pushing 100kbps on HSPA+ because they can't get fiber to them easily. All the other carriers have no problem because they share towers. T-Mobile rarely shares the same sites. |
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Re: Seems you would want to deploy in densely populated areas Setting your self a part from every one else is often what works. |
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said by MovieLover76:Also Verizon is deploying to LTE to every 3G market, while it's possible that some areas of certain rural markets may not see LTE this year, the simple fact is that these are areas that Sprint doesn't cover either, the reason Sprint can say they are targeting every cell site for this rollout is because it's network is much smaller than Verizon's, Sprint depends on Verizon for roaming coverage in areas there network doesn't reach. As I am a former Verizon customer i know Verizon and those last cell sites will get LTE, it just might be later than 2014, Not to put down Sprint, but Verizon knows how to deploy networks and how to keep them running well.
Ok here's what I mean that Verizon is not deploying LTE to every tower like Sprint. Verizon has 3G on the 1900 MHz frequency while they are deploying LTE on the 700 MHz frequency. An advantage of the 700 MHZ frequency is that with a single tower you cover a lot of area and because of this Verizon can match their 3G footprint with LTE by cherrypicking towers and not upgrading all of them. However, there are downsides to this. First of all while the lower frequency provides a lot of coverage in area, it also provides a lot less throughput. Combine this with Verizon's large amount of customers and you can see the trouble: a single tower covers A LOT of people (because of its large coverage area due to low frequency and lots of customers) and with less throughput, soon you will see Verizon's LTE slowing down significantly (if it hasn't already happened) and all of this because Verizon is cherrypicking their towers in order to thinly match their 3G footprint and not upgrading every tower like Sprint (Sprint is upgrading every tower, not just matching their 3G footprint)
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Not that I'm advertising for Verizon, I actually use T-mobile and I'm satisfied with it. I just think some Sprint users are getting very excited by press releases, let's wait until they really have it deployed, that's when Sprint will prove itself. |
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In this case I don't see that arguement, urban markets = more customers that are satisfied and higher earning from the investment. small markets first seems like they are still struggling to get a handle on these upgrades and they don't want to risk the bad press they'd get on a nyc deployment that wasn't up to par. |
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Re: Better than T-Mobile said by ssavoy:True. I do use T-Mobile but live in an iffy market. Luckily I get 3G at home and on my campus so it's not a huge deal...and routinely 15-20mbps down and 3mbps up. LTE is not important to me...what is important is overall coverage, and coupled with Sprint's lower spectrum, I think they will be in a better place than T-Mobile in terms of overall coverage.
I think T-Mo just needs to stop cheaping out on where they put their antennas. There's a few "popular" cell sites in my market still on copper, barely pushing 100kbps on HSPA+ because they can't get fiber to them easily. All the other carriers have no problem because they share towers. T-Mobile rarely shares the same sites.
T-Mobile does share many of the same sites as other carriers, albeit possibly not in your market. Similarly, T-Mobile isn't exactly "cheaping out". They literally can't get the gear quick enough from their suppliers Nokia-Siemens Networks and Ericsson. Obviously lower spectrum is ideal for coverage, but $billions invested in AWS licenses tend to be a pretty good incentive for them to upgrade their coverage. Additionally their 2g network is aging and the equipment is no longer supported. The importance here is that when old 2g equipment fails it is being replaced with either at least 3g capable equipment. Moreover, if T-Mobile doesn't want to lose AWS licenses it already paid for across the nation, then by 2015 they'll have to expand their 3g+ coverage. This is already in their gameplan and falls in line with their 1900 refarm and LTE deploy. At the VERY least T-Mobile's existing 2g coverage base will get upgraded to 3g. Beyond that, for T-Mobile to keep its AWS licenses they'll need to deploy LTE or (more likely) HSPA+ in quite a few places where they only have roaming agreements.
T-Mobile seems to be quite aware of what they need to do, and are spending to do it. Between their new CEO, the cash infusion thanks to ATT, the 1900mhz refarm for HSPA+ deployment, and LTE deployment on the AWS band I think they're very much on a good track. It's quite a bit going on, and very involved to boot. Figuring in that the biggest delay at this point are on the supply-side, it's hard to complain with where they're at today and what looks to be in store over the next 2 years.
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Re: Seems you would want to deploy in densely populated areas said by MovieLover76: small markets first seems like they are still struggling to get a handle on these upgrades and they don't want to risk the bad press they'd get on a nyc deployment that wasn't up to par.
Thats pretty much what I took from the entire announcement on Sprints LTE deployment form the begining.
Verizon (and ATT to a small extent) went fast and furious with basic LTE deployment in urban areas, were as I see Sprint starting of on LTE advance equipment that has not been proven reliable by any carrier in the US. Sprint Starting off in more smaller less dens areas so if a problem arises it can be handles quicker and without major publicity then in a major metro.
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