 spewakR.I.P DadkinsPremium
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| said by spewak:Bill o"dummy, sean douchity, et al will liken the Hopper to al qaeda, communism, whatever it takes.
News Corp isn't run by O'Reilly or Hannity. It's Rupert Murdoch at the helm. I hope he loses.
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Springfield, MO | reply to spewak
i dont see the issue here it only streams locally (you can get it to do more but Joe Sixpack isnt going to figure that out by them selves) over Wi-Fi
but im sure News Corp will just pay off the Judge or get it heard in middle of no where TX again |
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Chesterfield, MO | What's The Alternative? I understand that Fox wants to use their programming to monetize these types of services themselves. However, do they offer this ability and if they do, what does it cost? If they don't, then build it and perhaps even cable customers will come and you can strike a deal with satellite and cable that passes a small fee to the consumer to activate these services.
An overwhelming majority of consumers pay 99 cents for a song rather than doing something that doesn't generate revenue. However, they cannot do this if such an option isn't offered. If Fox isn't offering this to their consumers, what do they expect?
Rather than doing this themselves, could Dish offer Hopper on an open platform (i.e. Android) and let developers create a streaming app that enables consumers? Is Dish still liable or is Fox's beef now with the consumer? How do they claim damages if they don't offer a competitive option?
Microsoft does something similar to Hopper with Media Center. You can record shows on a PC equipped with a tuner card and watch them on a networked XBox in another room. Is this OK with Fox? |
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Springfield, MA | They can just yank their content Fox can always yank their content from dish and CBS can do the same. |
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| They won't yank it. They will just have their affiliates charge astronomical retransmission rates. Really quite stupid of Dish to offer the hopper. No matter how great it is, the networks have Dish in a bind and it is going to get worse. |
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Broomall, PA | Still have the skip button I dont have hopper but I still have the Skip button. I think it skips every 30 seconds so one way or ther other commercials are being skipped. |
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| Dish is only hurting us. Dish is pretty much screwing the customer on this one. They are forcing a model of higher carriage fees so everyone has the right to skip commercials. Those of us with no interest in network prime time programming are going to be forced to foot the bill so everyone can enjoy ad free network programming. A model where people can choose to pay for ad free network programming, while keeping an ad supported stream for those who have no use for skipping ads (ie sports viewers), is much better for the csutomer. |
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| Another attack on innovation. Fox and all the cable entertainment providers have limited intelligence. Customers are paying for the programming they are receiving. In many cases subscribers would like to record programming that will never be offered for purchase. The problem is greed.
Why don't all cable home entertainment providers file suit against all companies manufacturing television sets to force them to remove the mute and last channel button from remote controls. In fact why not just outlaw remote controls entirely. That way the only way a viewer will be able to avoid listening or viewing any offensive material, is to get up and go to the television and select another channel or turn down the volume. Simply install a three foot in diameter 1,000 position knob on each television to make it easy to select a channel. I presume there are a few readers of DSL Reports that remember what a pleasure it was to try to tune in a UHF station when the television had a UHF selector knob with positions from 14 to 83. Fine tuning a UHF channel was always a challenge.
Of course was the earliest attack on innovation was ASCAP's attack on the Player Piano about one hundred years ago. Musicians said it would send them all to the poor house. Obviously that did not happen. The first recent legal attack on innovation was the MPAA's attack on Sony's Betamax home video recorder which fortunately the MPAA lost. Valenti, now deceased, the then president of the MPAA went or a rant on one of the TV news magazines, how the
Betamax VCR would destroy the movie industry and recording a movie was stealing. Valenti demonstrate lack of the ability of critical thinking. He was to dense to realize that once enough VCR's were in the home renting movies could become a profit center. |
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elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | reply to nfotiu
Re: Dish is only hurting us. Dish isnt forcing any thing News Corp is
Dish is doing the unthinkable its actually INNOVATING i know foreign concept
cant have people going around doing that might upset the markets...and have to come up with new business models and do real work |
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join:2003-03-18
Brewster, WA | reply to silbaco
Re: They can just yank their content said by silbaco:They won't yank it. They will just have their affiliates charge astronomical retransmission rates. Really quite stupid of Dish to offer the hopper. No matter how great it is, the networks have Dish in a bind and it is going to get worse.
No, they don't. Those whining the loudest are also those that can be picked up on an antenna locally and on some Dish hardware recorded to your dvr without paying jack squat to the whiners.
They are banking on consumer stupidity just like they do every time they hijack a channel during a sports playoff season or when a popular show is on or some other popular content of the month is going and they get a bunch of vocal viewers to hate on Dish.
Innovate or shut up because the days of the lazy cash cow are going away.
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Brewster, WA | reply to nfotiu
Re: Dish is only hurting us. No, I choose to take in advertising or not to. This veiled mandatory advertising bs is something pushed on consumers to make them think it's the only way and that is not true.
If I can mash the skip button 8 times and be right back at the programming I want to enjoy then it's no different than software doing a more precise version.
Technology advances and the "way it has been" crowd always whines except in these cases they have billions of dollars to skew the truth.
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Re: Dish is only hurting us. Who do you think is going to pay for programming. Your sense of entitlement is sickening. Programming doesn't get produced for free, the content owners either make the money through advertising or charging for their product.
It is laughable that people think they have the right to free, ad-free programming, and just expect everyone else to pick up the tab. |
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Re: They can just yank their content No, they don't. Those whining the loudest are also those that can be picked up on an antenna locally and on some Dish hardware recorded to your dvr without paying jack squat to the whiners.
There's a reason Dish & DirecTV have taken on the herculean effort to carry local HD networks nationally over satellite. OTA reception doesn't work for everyone. If you can attach a small antenna to get them, you're lucky. You might need to install a roof antenna, or you may not get OTA reception at all. Modern receivers like the Hopper need additional equipment to receive OTA channels, too. This is stuff that the average homeowner doesn't want to deal with. They just want the TV service they're paying dearly for to work.
The gap is narrowing, but the most popular programming is still coming from the broadcast networks. They can't afford to screw around and lose them.
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elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | reply to nfotiu
Re: Dish is only hurting us. start by putting some i want to watch on first fox could drop off the plant and id never know same goes for NBC and CBS
OR we could pick the BBC model which seems work as the BBC turns out stuff i WANT to watch id be more then happy to pay a yearly fee for good TV |
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firephotoFacts hurtPremium
join:2003-03-18
Brewster, WA | reply to nfotiu
said by nfotiu:Who do you think is going to pay for programming. Your sense of entitlement is sickening. Programming doesn't get produced for free, the content owners either make the money through advertising or charging for their product.
It is laughable that people think they have the right to free, ad-free programming, and just expect everyone else to pick up the tab.
I can close my eyes, I can cover my ears, I can walk out of the room, I can turn the tv off for 5 minutes, I can walk the dog, I can get a snack, I can do absolutely anything I want besides watching commercial advertising because it is MY CHOICE.
Television advertising is a risk, a chance that enough people are going to respond to it's content that they will provide the "product" owner a return on their investment in the advertising. That's how it is sold, that's how it is bought, that is how it works. It is not and never has been and never will be guaranteed!
Next you're going to tell me that FOX should get a cut of the $200 I spent on hardware to watch HD television. Hell maybe I should have them cut my channel off, they can send a guy over to slap my hands everytime I try to tune their channel without paying or if I don't watch a commercial.
There is a reality out there, some people are oblivious to it.
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firephotoFacts hurtPremium
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Brewster, WA | reply to djrobx
Re: They can just yank their content Like you said, a lot of people can't or won't get their most popular channels of the air and a lot of these people don't have access to cable either so it is FOX, CBS, all of them that are the ones that will be losing millions of viewers.
This is fully a case of the old guard holding technology hostage and Dish trying to push out some actually not-so-new tech which has existed since the early 1980's and was killed by the television networks then.
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