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join:2002-03-03
Williamstown, NJ
kudos:5 | Welcome to the WIRELESS 21st century Looks like the lawmakers get it, even if the consumer advocate groups don't. Wireless is replacing wired connections. The under 30's group gets it. They have pretty much abandoned wired POTS and DSL. But just like radio hung on after TV debuted, POTS is quickly degrading in to irrelevancy. It will be around for a long time, but with fewer and fewer users as the older generations die off.
If the telcos weren't putting their infrastructure capital expenditures in to wireless, their shareholders would be looking to invest for the future elsewhere.
And fiber's future is in the backbone(where the US is already very strong and getting stronger) and not in the last mile - that last mile will be wireless.
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elray
join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA | Wisdom, Kansas Style The bill doesn't "give cable a monopoly".
Instead, it frees obsolete, unsustainable copper markets, to be competitive via wireless service.
Nothing prevents an overbuilder or cooperative from building their own last-mile network, or for that matter, the local municipality from taking ownership of the copper plant, if they should choose to invoke eminent domain and pay FMV for the franchise. |
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ke4pymPremium
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Charlotte, NC Reviews:
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| said by elray:Nothing prevents an overbuilder or cooperative from building their own last-mile network, or for that matter, the local municipality from taking ownership of the copper plant, if they should choose to invoke eminent domain and pay FMV for the franchise.
Good thing this isn't in NC. Because the muni's can't get in that business.
Well, they can. After they jump through so many hoops it bankrupts them... |
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brad
join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | reply to Linklist
Re: Welcome to the WIRELESS 21st century Please stop making me laugh. This is such a joke. Wireless isn't even close to replacing wired connections (as in Internet, not voice traffic) with the useless caps and ridiculously high prices. If wireless was rolled out to replace wireline the network would collapse. |
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said by Linklist:The under 30's group gets it. They have pretty much abandoned wired POTS and DSL. Sorry, but wired connections aren't going anywhere. At current $/GB rates, if I switched to wireless my monthly bill will be over $15,000.
The reason DSL died is it's SLOW. Really, really slow. The absolute best, topmost tier around here is only ~2 mbps more then the slowest cable plan you can get, and you can only get that if you're practically next to the central office.
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brad
join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | reply to elray
Re: Wisdom, Kansas Style said by elray:Instead, it frees obsolete, unsustainable copper markets, to be competitive via wireless service.
Wireless isn't even close to being competitive with cable. |
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| nice (biased?) article Divide between European and U.S. telcos widens
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BARCELONA (Reuters) - When the bosses of global mobile operators meet in Barcelona this week, there will be an elephant in the room: the widening gap between fast-growing and richly-valued U.S. telecoms companies and their ailing European counterparts.
A overcrowded market, tough regulations and recession are hampering European telcos' ability to invest in faster networks, increasing the risk that the region's flagging economy falls further behind the United States and parts of Asia. [...]
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 The LimitPremium
join:2007-09-25
Greensboro, NC
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Re: Welcome to the WIRELESS 21st century As an individual under 30, I'd have to say that apparently I don't get it because I'm definitely not a proponent for wireless last mile.
I hope that you honestly don't believe this.
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WHT
join:2010-03-26
Decatur, TX
kudos:5 | reply to Linklist
said by Linklist:Wireless is replacing wired connections. Correct..but with inferior and much more costly service. |
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Re: nice (biased?) article That article was about Wireless companies only, not all broadband providers. Wired service is a whole lot faster and cheaper than wireless broadband. I think it is very telling that the countries cleaning our clocks in every metric of internet access are all primarily WIRED broadband countries. |
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CXM_Splicera more sensible viewPremium
join:2011-08-11
NYC
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The article you quote clearly points out the reason for the difference is lack of competition here vs. incredible competition in Europe. It is also talking about the 'quality' from a shareholder point of view, not from a customer point of view.
I guess you could take the stance that we should have monopolies because that gives them the ability to squeeze customers for more money to invest. Such a stance is anti-capitalistic though, and another example of why business actually hates the concept of the free market. |
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elray
join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA | reply to ke4pym
Re: Wisdom, Kansas Style said by ke4pym:said by elray:Nothing prevents an overbuilder or cooperative from building their own last-mile network, or for that matter, the local municipality from taking ownership of the copper plant, if they should choose to invoke eminent domain and pay FMV for the franchise.
Good thing this isn't in NC. Because the muni's can't get in that business. Well, they can. After they jump through so many hoops it bankrupts them... Most government agencies don't need any help going bankrupt.
That's only one of many reasons why they should stay out of the broadband business. Lets leave the BK losses to investors and shareholders, thanks.
But if a muni sincerely wants to, they can, indeed, take over the local franchise, providing they pay for it. What you call "hoops" we call checks and balances, protecting the citizens from the errant folly of their elected officials.
What they can't and shouldn't do easily, is set up their own shop in "competition" with the very entities they once gave exclusive license to, then proceed to bankrupt them (or themselves) with a race-to-the-bottom using taxpayer funds.
And lastly, again, there is nothing that prevents a 3rd-party overbuilder, CLEC or cooperative, from entering the fray and wiring the neighborhood. |
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elray
join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA | reply to brad
said by brad:said by elray:Instead, it frees obsolete, unsustainable copper markets, to be competitive via wireless service.
Wireless isn't even close to being competitive with cable. Wireless is competitive - "greed" will draw multiple sellers.
Cable is irrelevant in copper-only markets. |
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 mobOn the next level..Premium
join:2000-10-07 | I will sell ATT the secret I possess the magic spell for making anything pass the house and senate in Kansas. ATT can buy this spell for only 1500 Kilograms each of gold bullion and platinum bullion. |
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CXM_Splicera more sensible viewPremium
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NYC
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Re: Wisdom, Kansas Style said by elray:said by brad:said by elray:Instead, it frees obsolete, unsustainable copper markets, to be competitive via wireless service.
Wireless isn't even close to being competitive with cable. Wireless is competitive - "greed" will draw multiple sellers. Cable is irrelevant in copper-only markets. If spectrum wasn't a fixed resource you would be right. |
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Follow the money trail. Why are these types of anti municipal fiber bills universally funded by the telephone and cable companies? Because they're trying to protect taxpayer money out of the goodness of their own heart? |
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Re: Welcome to the WIRELESS 21st century EXACTLY.
But the pay off of the so called "public servants" is so pervasive that these companies can do as they please without any fear of penalty.
Anyone who things wireless is a "practical" solution for broadband only works for companies like Verizon or ATT.
The cost to consumers for these wireless service is OUTRAGEOUS! |
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ke4pymPremium
join:2004-07-24
Charlotte, NC Reviews:
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Re: Wisdom, Kansas Style said by elray:Most government agencies don't need any help going bankrupt.
That's only one of many reasons why they should stay out of the broadband business. Lets leave the BK losses to investors and shareholders, thanks.
But if a muni sincerely wants to, they can, indeed, take over the local franchise, providing they pay for it. What you call "hoops" we call checks and balances, protecting the citizens from the errant folly of their elected officials.
What they can't and shouldn't do easily, is set up their own shop in "competition" with the very entities they once gave exclusive license to, then proceed to bankrupt them (or themselves) with a race-to-the-bottom using taxpayer funds.
And lastly, again, there is nothing that prevents a 3rd-party overbuilder, CLEC or cooperative, from entering the fray and wiring the neighborhood.
I find this argument funny.
No, you can't use tax payer dollars to back a broadband solution (read: not directly fund).
But it's okay (at least in this city) to:
Use (local and (as proposed) state) tax payer dollars to fund a renovation of a privately owned NFL stadium.
Use tax payer dollars to fund a trolley to no where (that gets stuck in traffic like cheaper-to-run city buses).
Use tax payer dollars to fund our basketball team.
Now, our water and sewer is tax payer backed. But it is funded by revenue collected by those using the system. Why are people not against this? But against this model for broadband? |
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ke4pymPremium
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Charlotte, NC Reviews:
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said by elray:said by brad:said by elray:Instead, it frees obsolete, unsustainable copper markets, to be competitive via wireless service.
Wireless isn't even close to being competitive with cable. Wireless is competitive - "greed" will draw multiple sellers. Cable is irrelevant in copper-only markets. What is a copper-only market? Last I checked, cable was delivered over copper (in 98.9% of the cases). |
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