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Comments on news posted 2013-02-26 16:33:12: Despite yesterday's launch of the entertainment industry's new six strikes anti-piracy initiative yesterday, just one of the supposed participating ISPs has listed any information on the plan on their websites. ..

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FFH
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Comcast isn't saying yet

»customer.comcast.com/help-and-su···talerts/

Introduction
Information on the Copyright Alerts System is coming soon.

Our Goals: Education and Awareness
Information on the Copyright Alerts System is coming soon.

The above is only thing official so far. But the above link is where the data will be when Comcast finally decides to say something. Comcast has NOT launched yet, coming later this week.

And a Comcast employee had this to say in the Comcast forums:

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Re: Does Comcast SHUT OFF SERVICE after 6 Strikes ? Yes or No ?? [ New ]
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02-25-2013 04:53 PM

Simply stated - No. Termination of services is not a part of the Copyright Alert System implementation. When the Comcast system is launched, information and FAQs will be provided at »customer.comcast.com/copyrightalerts.

Re: Does Comcast SHUT OFF SERVICE after 6 Strikes ? Yes or No ??
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02-26-2013 07:10 AM

Comcast is not monitoring traffic and relies on the copyright holder to send the ISP the notice. The objective of the alerts is to increase awareness for those who are not aware the activity is taking place on their account, provide education on copyright, and provide information on resources where the desired content can be found from various providers.

Comcast does not monitor your activities. Comcast receives notices from content owners identifying an anonymous set of numbers known as an IP address visible on the Internet when the subscriber engages in behavior the owner believes infringes its copyrights. If Comcast matches the IP address and time listed in the content owner’s notice with our logs, then Comcast generates a copyright alert to our subscriber. The content owner cannot find out your identity through the Copyright Alert System. Comcast protects the subscribers' privacy, no information is shared with the copyright holder.

The Comcast employee had this to say on the subject in about a 1/2 dozen posts:
»forums.comcast.com/t5/user/viewp···id/97846

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Money

How much are they getting paid to vertically integrate with a price-fixing cartel?



FFH
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said by Wilsdom:

How much are they getting paid to vertically integrate with a price-fixing cartel?

The ISPs made a deal with the RIAA & MPAA to do this in order to head off legislation by Congress that would have forced the ISPs to do the monitoring themselves and kick users off the system. In other words they were blackmailed in to this.
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silbaco
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Indeed, it seems they were. But it remains to be seen what the remaining ISPs will do.



KrK
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It's like all the other copyright legislation and "Homeland security" laws.

It only STARTS here. The law will now expand frequently, becoming more expansive, with greater monitoring and more severe responses, until it is incredibly draconian in every respect. If you doubt me, just look at the last 20 years of copyright laws. When has the RIAA, MIAA, etc ever been satisfied? Once they pass one law, then it gets expanded, extended, and more invasive every 3 or 4 years.

Simply put: "The Funnin' is just begunnin'"
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Kamus

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Well...

It kind of makes sense not to gloat about making their service crippled overnight. But of course, they should.

Basically the premise is:
"If you dare use the internet's capabilities in 2013, we'll make it like it was in 1999"


LocutusBorg
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not worried

just got a VPN. fuck them and the maffias


gtharby

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reply to FFH

Re: Money

said by FFH:

said by Wilsdom:

How much are they getting paid to vertically integrate with a price-fixing cartel?

The ISPs made a deal with the RIAA & MPAA to do this in order to head off legislation by Congress that would have forced the ISPs to do the monitoring themselves and kick users off the system. In other words they were blackmailed in to this.

But then a funny thing happened between the time the deal was originally being made and today, SOPA/PIPA lost badly because of public support, and the leverage of congress would force regulation if they didn't come to an agreement vanished, because it is now viewed as political suicide to try and pass a law of this nature.

SunnyD

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reply to Wilsdom

You have to remember, in the case of Comcrap... they ARE the price-fixing cartel now (aka: NBC, aka: MPAA - essentially).



jchambers28

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Re: not worried

+1


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Re: Money

Copyright laws need to be eliminated and rebuilt. Back into a system that supports the artists and not the corporate machine. Same thing with patents, Kill them and rebuild the system into something that pushes innovation forward and not just used as a litigation tool.

Both are good things but both have been corrupted by conglomerates and no longer really reflect the original intentions of their own invention.

Copyright was supposed to give a limited time exclusive rights to one's work... I would hardly call life+75yrs a limited time.
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well im useing vpn

well people will move to openvpn it wont stop us for getting what we want. if you want us to but the movies stop putting all the junk pre views that we don't want all we want is the damn movie to start playing. till then we will download the movie without that crap


whoyourdaddy

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Re: not worried

hell yea
f them


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Re: Money

said by KrK:

It only STARTS here.

*** redacted ***

This is a continuation of the liberties lost when Homeland security was created. The Center for Copyright Information (CCI) website is here - »www.copyrightinformation.org/resources-faq/ on this page you can read the ISP / content owner memorandums of understanding.

Essentially, the RIAA and MPAA will have copyrighted content delivered to the copyright information designee (auditors?) by content owners or designees, who wish their intellectual property protected.

The Copyright Information Center will have P2P servers that participate in file sharing. The sharing will work, but while sharing, software will determine what file is being share (if the file has a copyright owner that has asked for protection of digital material with the Copyright Information Center).

When the CCI (Copyright Information Centers) proxy determines a P2P file is violating a copyright, it will flag the time and IP address of the offending download and source (if upload). Monthly a report of infringed copyrights, IP addresses and times will be delivered to ISP's who will forward the alleged violations to their respective customers.

The goal seems to be to educate, attempt remediation, and later to seek punishment.

I'm not a fan of spying, but P2P is inherently shared by users. I can't see how any decision to use a P2P service that may search for violations of copyright is illegal. It doesn't seem that the CCI is spying, it's just part of the P2P network, but is taking notes about who is sharing what, where, when and what IP address.

The methodology is discussed a bit here - »www.copyrightinformation.org/wp-···cted.pdf

An unmodified copy of the memorandum of understanding is here - »www.copyrightinformation.org/wp-···ding.pdf

There appear to be 2 updates to the agreement which are here »www.copyrightinformation.org/wp-···ment.pdf and here »www.copyrightinformation.org/wp-···ment.pdf
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said by Kearnstd:

Copyright was supposed to give a limited time exclusive rights to one's work... I would hardly call life+75yrs a limited time.

+1
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Re: not worried

Don't worry be happy' until you are assigned the IP address that Fred was assigned for the past two weeks. Fred downloaded a gazillion copyrighted songs and you receive the copyright violation notice that Fred should have received because the ISP identified you as being assigned the IP address when the violation was perpetrated. You now have to pay $35.00 to contest the error because in the internet world you are guilty until proven innocent. The BS about this scheme is that anyone can be hung because the ISP fails to link the IP address to the correct account holder when a violation is perpetrated.



DataRiker
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Re: Money

I love draconian copyright laws.

They ensure easy access to a huge black market.

Much the same way the war on drugs has ensured I have better and cheaper access to marijuana than legal drugs.



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Not to mention... what is life+75yrs for a company / corporation? Forever?



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But if they themselves are participating in the sharing (providing freely to the public), how can they then turn around and claim infringement. Please keep in mind this is not a law enforcement / government sanctioned sting operation which is most cases would have to be targeted at someone / entity known to be breaking the law. For the purpose of catching them specifically and collecting evidence.

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said by NOYB:


But if they themselves are participating in the sharing (providing freely to the public), how can they then turn around and claim infringement. Please keep in mind this is not a law enforcement / government sanctioned sting operation which is most cases would have to be targeted at someone / entity known to be breaking the law. For the purpose of catching them specifically and collecting evidence.

They can monitor w/o sharing.
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Re: well im useing vpn

People need to looking into getting keys from a trusted source or get a vps and create your own openvpnserver which isnt very hard to do .

IF anyone is wanting vpn access for a small fee let me know Might be able to make a deal with you.



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reply to pandora

Re: Money

said by pandora:

said by KrK:

It only STARTS here.

*** redacted ***

The Copyright Information Center will have P2P servers that participate in file sharing. The sharing will work, but while sharing, software will determine what file is being share (if the file has a copyright owner that has asked for protection of digital material with the Copyright Information Center).

So the CIC will have P2P servers offering copyrighted content??? And then "take" names so the ISPs can "kick ass"?

This sounds like trolling to me. Put out the bait and then reel in the fish.

Yea, no different than when cops go undercover to snag hookers but still not right.
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said by NOYB:


But if they themselves are participating in the sharing (providing freely to the public), how can they then turn around and claim infringement. Please keep in mind this is not a law enforcement / government sanctioned sting operation which is most cases would have to be targeted at someone / entity known to be breaking the law. For the purpose of catching them specifically and collecting evidence.

I guess they own it. If caught you can try to fight them with your claim. Personally, my belief is P2P will become more dangerous over time. A secure connection to a download site may be safer where there are no unknown third parties.

The legality of the entire scheme is beyond my understanding, though the concept is technically a bit interesting.
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said by pende_tim:

So the CIC will have P2P servers offering copyrighted content??? And then "take" names so the ISPs can "kick ass"?

This sounds like trolling to me. Put out the bait and then reel in the fish.

Yea, no different than when cops go undercover to snag hookers but still not right.

It may be. Guess the EFF and some brave soul will have to litigate and have a court decide the legality of their intended attempt to thwart illegal file sharing.

My goal was to provide links to the website and documents that were touched on by some articles.
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seamore
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Profits are up

Meanwhile:

»247wallst.com/2013/02/26/music-i···ce-1999/



MJB

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create a darknet encryption of the internet traffic..



blitz231

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what about Streaming TV sites?

Will this apply to Streaming TV sites that are out there or is it strictly P2P Torrent stuffs?



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said by Mr Matt:

Don't worry be happy' until you are assigned the IP address that Fred was assigned for the past two weeks. Fred downloaded a gazillion copyrighted songs and you receive the copyright violation notice that Fred should have received because the ISP identified you as being assigned the IP address when the violation was perpetrated. You now have to pay $35.00 to contest the error because in the internet world you are guilty until proven innocent. The BS about this scheme is that anyone can be hung because the ISP fails to link the IP address to the correct account holder when a violation is perpetrated.

I checked the Verizon page linked in Karl's article to see if they addressed this. They address it by not admitting mistakes like that can be and are made.

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What if I'm sure that I'm not the person who has violated the copyright of the item mentioned?

If you receive a notice of alleged copyright infringement, we recommend that you confirm that the content referred to in the notice resides on your computer and check to see if your computer has any P2P or file sharing software on it. You should also contact any subaccount users of your account and discuss this notification with them. If you have a wireless router, please refer to the "If I am using a wireless router, how do I protect my network?" question and answer, below.
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Re: Comcast isn't saying yet

"If Comcast matches the IP address and time listed in the content owner’s notice with our logs"

How may notices does Comcast get with no matches with the logs before they start to ignore the content owner?
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dib22

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reply to Mr Matt

Re: not worried

said by Mr Matt:

Don't worry be happy' until you are assigned the IP address that Fred was assigned for the past two weeks.

I am waiting to hear about the first botnet that is designed to let people download things on the unknowing pcs ip address.