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Comments on news posted 2013-02-28 09:07:45: Comcast has now put information on their implementation of six strikes online. ..

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AnonMan

@comcast.net

Ahh good ol hijack

I just love how easy it is for a company to hijack your browsing session...

Wonder if this works using a third party DNS with DNSCrypt? :P If not guess I would never know..


blocked

@edgewebhosting.net

Blockers?

NotScripts for Chrome or a popup blocker would get around this I'd assume. So there are no other repercussions for the reported abuse? Seems kind of silly.


NotTheMama
What Would Earl Do?

join:2012-12-06

1 recommendation

It goes on your permanent record.

Mr Matt

join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Millenicom
·Embarq Now Centu..
·Comcast
·CenturyLink

Locked up in a walled garden.

As I read Comcast's policy, the customers will not allowed access to the internet except for essential websites (which websites considered essential are not defined) unless the customer takes some action to exit the walled garden. If you want to contest a copyright violation letter pay up $35.00. If it was not for the punitive fee and I received such notice and I had never downloaded copyrighted music illegally, I would try to work with the ISP to determine why my account was identified as violating the DMCA. Of course if the the notice was sent because of sloppy work on the part of the ISP's employees, perhaps they would not want to identify why the account holder received notice.


kontos
xyzzy

join:2001-10-04
West Henrietta, NY
reply to blocked

Re: Blockers?

Not really. The ISP can move you to a network where there is a DNS/Web server that replaces entire webpages with that content. They don't need to do it with scripts or pop-ups. They can put you in a walled garden that isn't really the Internet.
Who know what they do with non HTTP traffic in that situation...


silentlooker
Premium
join:2009-11-01
reply to Mr Matt

Re: Locked up in a walled garden.

if they deny you product for which you're paying you can just cancel the contract with no etf.


Fangz

join:2000-10-11
Magna, UT

How to prove your guilty...

It will be hard to prove your guilty when the courts have stated that you can't link and IP to an individual.

For those individuals that do not have their wireless locked down, this will be a call to get it done.


bradyr
Columbia College IT
Premium
join:2008-10-27
Sonora, CA
reply to AnonMan

Re: Ahh good ol hijack

Well, at least Comcast gets an excuse to use their message injection system/notification system:

»tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6108

next step will be deep packet inspection and/or advertisement message injections ("Did you pay your bill yet?" "Want to have this site load faster?" "Hey, we noticed you're downloading [xyz]")


FFH5
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Tavistock NJ
kudos:5

The sketchy part is contacting Comcast Security group

To end the blocker pop ups, you have to contact Comcast's Customer Security Assurance dept. And that is where the punishment may click in. Comcast's Security department is notoriously unresponsive, undermanned, and never returns calls. To actually get Comcast to stop the blocker or walled garden may be quite an ordeal, especially if they get buried in a large number of violations. The offending infringer may not be disconnected by Comcast, but they may end up waiting many days to get back online.
--
I will be perfectly happy if the budget cuts specified in the Budget Control Act go into effect. 3 cheers for the sequester. Take the money from the drunken federal spenders.

openbox9
Premium
join:2004-01-26
Germany
kudos:2
reply to Fangz

Re: How to prove your guilty...

This isn't about proving your guilt. Rather it seems about you attempting to prove your innocence, or at least jumping through hoops to get your connection back.


FFH5
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Tavistock NJ
kudos:5
reply to Mr Matt

Re: Locked up in a walled garden.

said by Mr Matt:

As I read Comcast's policy, the customers will not allowed access to the internet except for essential websites (which websites considered essential are not defined) unless the customer takes some action to exit the walled garden.

I believe they used the term essential SERVICES. Meaning your voice calls will still work, and your home security application will work. But you wouldn't be able to browse anywhere as long as the browser hijack is active.
»customer.comcast.com/help-and-su···services
quote:
Comcast designed our browser alert system not to interfere with a subscriber’s essential services, such as digital telephone service (for example to call 911) whoever the telephone service provider, email, security or health service.
And when they say email will work, they mean their email system, not a web email app like gmail.
--
I will be perfectly happy if the budget cuts specified in the Budget Control Act go into effect. 3 cheers for the sequester. Take the money from the drunken federal spenders.


fuziwuzi
Not born yesterday
Premium
join:2005-07-01
Atlanta, GA
reply to AnonMan

Re: Ahh good ol hijack

Yay for VPN!

Mr Matt

join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL
kudos:1
reply to silentlooker

Re: Locked up in a walled garden.

And go where for internet access?

SunnyD

join:2009-03-20
Madison, AL

So extortion racket by the **AA & ISPs?

$35 "fee" to just contest an allegation of infringement and get your service back to "normal"?

This won't get abused. Ever!

Mr Matt

join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL
kudos:1
reply to fuziwuzi

Re: Ahh good ol hijack

Won't help you if you are misidentified as a DMCA violator. What if someone clones the MAC address of your cable modem or Comcast does not get their dates straight and you are assigned an IP address used by a pirate.


tshirt
Premium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:5
Reviews:
·Comcast
reply to Fangz

Re: How to prove your guilty...

They can't link an IP to a individual, but they can link the download to an IP, and the IP to a individual modem/account, so the IP you happened to use, happened to download illegally, it can be blocked.
If you want to be unblocked YOU (account owner) must call in, listen to TOS and agree to corrective action.

kerya666

join:2002-12-20
Valrico, FL
reply to SunnyD

Re: So extortion racket by the **AA & ISPs?

said by SunnyD:

$35 "fee" to just contest an allegation of infringement and get your service back to "normal"?

This won't get abused. Ever!

They make AT&T and Verizon overpriced LTE plans look good as an alternative with "rules" like that.


silentlooker
Premium
join:2009-11-01
reply to Mr Matt

Re: Locked up in a walled garden.

said by Mr Matt:

And go where for internet access?

Many place have multiple ISP available.


88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness

1 recommendation

said by silentlooker:

said by Mr Matt:

And go where for internet access?

Many place have multiple ISP available.

Not many and those that do have ISPs that also have 6 strike policies.


88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to openbox9

Re: How to prove your guilty...

said by openbox9:

This isn't about proving your guilt. Rather it seems about you attempting to prove your innocence, or at least jumping through hoops to get your connection back.

Sorry which ISPs disconnect you? Oh that's right ZERO. And sorry exactly ZERO people will also get 6 strikes by mistake


PaulHikeS2

join:2003-03-06
Fitchburg, MA
Reviews:
·Comcast
reply to tshirt
And this is AFTER 6 strikes. At least that is my understanding. So if the information is erroneous, you will not be blocked unless the same error happens six times. I know I would call in on the first or second notice if I hadn't downloaded anything illegally, but I imagine there are others who might wait until they get the browser hijack.
--
Jay: What the @#$% is the internet???


88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to SunnyD

Re: So extortion racket by the **AA & ISPs?

said by SunnyD:

$35 "fee" to just contest an allegation of infringement and get your service back to "normal"?

This won't get abused. Ever!

You mean MULTIPLE allegations since nothing happens to you the first 4 times.


88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to PaulHikeS2

Re: How to prove your guilty...

And if it's not you then you potentially have a problem with someone jacking your connection which you never would have known about with this new rule.


tshirt
Premium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:5
reply to PaulHikeS2
And this warns the account holder, if it is a result of his kids downloading, or open Wi-Fi, some other extremely rare error, something unlikely to happen 6 times to any one account.


Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus

join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
reply to 88615298

Oh God.....does this mean

It will go on your record so now if you run for public office no matter how many years in the future some opposition research "A" hole will dig this up and the South LA Porno entertainment industry will hold it against you. OH the humanity!
--
I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's.
- Mark Twain in Eruption


FreedomBuild
Well done is better than well said
Premium
join:2004-10-08
Rockford, IL
reply to tshirt

Re: How to prove your guilty...

That is assuming you make it through the multiple prompts-confirmations-account verification, various marketing promotions, spiel from Rick G. blabbing about 'customer care', more marketing hype and visit commicast.com, then after declining a feedback survey query, you may finally get connected to the wrong department.

Seriously though, I'm fairly confident, because this will be software driven, there will be glitches. After all, 'glitch features' are part of the 'enhanced user experience'. That said, if a person is downloading illegally, not cool and should have their hand slapped.
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»www.rockfordremodeling.biz
»www.rockfordremodeling.biz/blog/


knickss

@telus.net
reply to SunnyD

Re: So extortion racket by the **AA & ISPs?

why thats the money making way of certain red states.
Want to fight a traffic ticket where you are innocent? Well pay court costs, even if you win. It helps the government and police from having to spend money on the court system in North America.

The very basis of law states that you are innocent until proven guilty. But when the system makes it very expensive to fight bull shit charges, a profit stream will be had.
Of course we also have to mention that the courts have zero involvement in this.
France basis law says you are guilty until proved innocent by a policeman.

Class action in 3-2-1- ........ Even if that silly user agreement says you are not allowed to sue the corporation. The courts are to protect you when you are being abused.

openbox9
Premium
join:2004-01-26
Germany
kudos:2
reply to 88615298

Re: How to prove your guilty...

Walled garden. I consider that essentially a non-connection. I'm not suggesting that anyone will legitimately be identified six time incorrectly. You should be careful using absolutes in your discussion, IMO.

TheRogueX

join:2003-03-26
Springfield, MO
reply to openbox9
Isn't that great? We live in a country where you're supposed to be innocent until PROVEN guilty, yet this system forces you to PROVE your innocence. And somehow the courts are ok with that.

TheRogueX

join:2003-03-26
Springfield, MO
reply to tshirt
I bet with an open or hacked wi-fi a person could get 6 strikes in one hour.