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Comments on news posted 2013-03-01 14:19:48: Mirroring comments made this week by Time Warner Cable executives, Verizon CFO Fran Shammo argues that the company would offer 1 Gbps connections -- if any of you actually wanted one. ..

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46436203 (banned)
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Re: LoL

YouTube sucks because Google is cheap on the bandwidth upgrades. Flash has nothing to do with it. When you're having to serve billions of views every month you start looking for ways to cut costs.

All the subscription XXX sites which use flash for streaming 1080p video at higher bitrates than YouTube have no problem delivering the goods.

What's the different between porn sites, Netflix, and YouTube?

You actually PAY for two of those things.
Crookshanks
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said by kontos:

which is why you would want to offer it at a price point that is low enough to make sharing unnecessary.

You can buy music tracks for $0.99 from iTunes and Amazin, but people still pirate them....
said by kontos:

The real question is if Google can operate a network with those speeds and at least break even at that price-point. I'm skeptical, but Google has said that they want to prove it can be done.

They can, the question is if they can build out such a network with decent contention ratios while still making money. One suspects the contention ratios are probably fairly high, given the fact that very few households will use even a fraction of this bandwidth on a sustained basis. It will be interesting to see how the network holds up if a mainstream 'killer app' appears that actually uses this kind of bandwidth.
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No demand...

There's no demand for faster speeds at the prices the ISPs want to sell it for.

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Re: what other nations offer 1gb to house right now for cheap?

Totally agree.
If 1Gb/1Gb connections are available at the Hong Kong price or even much higher @ Google price, $70, sign me up.
Verizon/TWX have no sense, no rights to decide what speed should be good for consumers. Even Verizon's Mbps price is so expensive, there are demands but not at that super high price tag.
Too many people are saying we don't need that speed, that's you. "We don't need that speed" doesn't means I can't sign it up and leave it there at affordable price.
It's like saying I don't need to travel to overseas or space then urge everyone not to try it.
We need 1Gb connections at affordable price, Verizon.
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Re: LoL

That sounds like a good way to get busted for CP when Chester the Molester decides to get his rocks off and your name is the one tied to the subscription.
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Re: FIOS 50/50 is enough atm

No it ain't. My 150/65 Mbps line is constantly saturated.

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Re: They're right

said by 88615298:

Give people a choice between $70 1 Gbps or $40 25 Mbps. Most people will take the 25 Mbps speed.

Ill agree 1Gbps is not need for residential use currently however if 50 mbps is the "sweet spot" why are they still ( and ATT) so hesitant on rolling out fiber to supply that sweelt spot and replace basic copper DSL lines which only max out @ 6mbps.

Google 1 GB for $70 a month is a great (incredible ) deal but Id happily pay AT& sucky T or Verizon $70 for 50 mbps ( not even 1/10 of what google is offering) if they rolled out fiber or even cable to me, yes Id pay $70 for 50 mpbs unlimited Vs now paying ATT $35 for only 3 mbps and Im caped at 150 GB! By Verizons own admission 6 mbps is slow as molasses as 50 is the current sweet spot as they claim.

IowaCowboy
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I agree with Verizon

50/10 is more than adequate for normal residential use.
killerbobjr
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Re: Need for speed (or, driving on unpaved roads)

The question then is: How often do you have three people pulling 20mbs at the same time for roughly the same length of time?

Again, from a business standpoint, I can see VZ looking at their spreadsheets and only seeing 5% of customers saturating their pipe at any given time, then looking at the cost benefit to provide 95% of their customers with a service they won't pay for (Hint: there isn't any).

elios
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with netflix more often then you think
again if you think 3 or 4 people cant fill a 50Mbps pipe your nuts
and thats just with what we have now
killerbobjr
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said by NoHereNoMo:

Because 99% of us are (1) too cheap . . .

That's the main reason right there -- people are always looking for a bargain. I bet if Google let us look at their adoption rates in KC for 1gbs, most people would be pretty shocked at the low uptake.

elios
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Re: I agree with Verizon

no its not....

Pathfinder5
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Good answer. Care to expand a bit?

elios
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let me know when i can stream HD video from my HTPC to my laptop on the road going to need a bit more 10Mbps up load
OR if i want back up the 5TB of HDD i have to some where off site
and then later restore it

and thats just what you could do with it now
once every one has large connection stuff will come along to use it

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Re: FIOS 50/50 is enough atm




I had 50/25 for quite a while until Verizon offered 75 for $5 more. Its great. It is me and 2 other guys living here and we are constantly streaming Netflix, gaming, and uploading and downloading large video projects for work and class.
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Re: They're right

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Give people a choice between $70 1 Gbps or $40 25 Mbps. Most people will take the 25 Mbps speed. Unless you're wanting to supply your block or apartment building with free internet for everyone 1 Gbps isn't needed as this point.

For those kind of people google has an even better deal that you fail to mention, you know the FREE one.
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Re: what other nations offer 1gb to house right now for cheap?

H.265 is going to be 38mbps with 4K.
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Re: LoL

If that were the case, people would already be doing that with cable. A lot of people do in multi-family homes.

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Re: what other nations offer 1gb to house right now for cheap?

i was going off the numbers the verge quoted in the ps4 4k movies article. they said it was going to be at-least 100 gigs per movie.

»www.theverge.com/2013/2/ ··· ownloads

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Re: Limited Need

You realize the cloud provider will need capacity on their end to feed you right. I have a file server with a single Gbit NIC and I have a hard time maxing it out among 500 users.

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Re: They're right

As others have posted to some degree residential bandwidth is a chicken and egg proposition, until a large portion of the population has higher speed services are not going to be developed to take advantage of the speed.

That being said we are getting to "good enough" speed for lots of people. HDTV takes about 15Mbps per channel in MPEG2, about half that in MPEG4. Cloud apps are bandied about as huge consumers of bandwidth but by an large the user's computer/smart phone becomes little more then a glorified terminal with the heavy lifting being performed in the cloud.

More is better but I'd be hard pressed to argue that 50Mbps is not "good enough" for the near term. To me a much more important issue is delivering multi-megabit speed to the entire population, not worry about whether 25, 50, 100 or Gig was fast enough for the lucky few.

/tom
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And how do caps fit in to all of this?

Wouldn't seem like all that speed would be worth much with capped lines.
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Re: what other nations offer 1gb to house right now for cheap?

said by ocjosh :

It's like saying I don't need to travel to overseas or space then urge everyone not to try it.
We need 1Gb connections at affordable price, Verizon.

Thats not even logical comparision. Who compares broadband speeds to travel? That sounds like addiction to Internet.

You go to travel overseas to see different landscape, culture, have a lifetime experience you'll remember till the rest of the live.

20 mb, 100mb, 1gb for your personal connection, whats the difference, do you have a business? For now for an average consumer there are not yet any applications that take advantage of even 100mb connection. The advantage is you just get faster download and upload of large files. It enables to share connection with large household. But thats it. You are complaining about driving on 2 lane highway instead of 6 lane even though you're driving through a rural area.

I am not saying we shouldn't head in direction of getting 1gb connection for everyone. But not everyone needs 1gb at low price for NOW.

In addition Google can afford to afford 1GB at $70, partially because they get heavy subsidy from selling your data, making bucks on internet ads and limiting deployment to only one city (theoretically two split between states).
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Re: Limited Need

Yes I realize that. I also am one of those cloud providers, I run a cloud storage service. I have a server with a 10 gig connection and have no problem pushing 5 Gbps sustained during peak hours. And it's not that expensive.

Capacity really isn't a problem today with good web hosts.

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Re: what other nations offer 1gb to house right now for cheap?

It's very logical.
If you already said that there is no application or anything a consumer not even need 100mb speed, you are making decision for consumer. You are limiting consumer from any other potential beyond 100mb or 1Gb speed. It's like saying please no 5G wireless development, there is no app for that speed yet.
Telling others that you don't need this, you don't need that.
That logic is what Verizon want us to know: pay more for older technology and slower speed because you don't need higher speed and pay me more anyway.
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More upload would sure be Handy!

Back in 2004, I was happy with a 768kbps upload on DSL. Now I have a 5Mbps upload on Time Warner cable, and would still want a bit more. I do back up large data files off site, and to me that's what would make me the happiest, having a more symmetrical upload to download ratio, but of course that'll never ever ever happen I don't think. But if I can at least see time warner offering 10Mbps upstream, I'll be cool with that for now. In fact, I wonder why AT&T U-verse isn't going above 3 megs upload? I know bell in Canada has 10 megabits upload, and correct me if I'm wrong, but they use the same VDSL technology. If only I knew how much it really costs to offer a 100mbps or even 10mbps symmetrical connection. I love it when I go to my local college, as it's the only location where I can experience a high speed symmetrical link to the internet, and it happens to be 100mbps.

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Re: what other nations offer 1gb to house right now for cheap?

said by chgo_man99:

said by ocjosh :

In addition Google can afford to afford 1GB at $70, partially because they get heavy subsidy from selling your data, making bucks on internet ads and limiting deployment to only one city (theoretically two split between states).

So, if I have Google fiber but never access to Google's sites but only go on Netflix, some not google related service, they will sell my data.
And, I have Verizon and use Google sites, or site with Google related Ads, Verizon will prevent Google from collection data.
I see... It's logical.
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Re: LoL

Yes, bandwidth is clearly Google's problem. 8-)

A Fortune 100 company that is currently sitting on forty plus billion dollars and whose entire business model revolves around the internet is being cheap with bandwidth upgrades. The same company that has data centers all over the world and essentially runs their own CDN. The same company that everybody on DSLR is going gaga over because of their 1gbit/s FTTH project.

FWIW I have no problems streaming HD YT videos under Linux, or using YT on my phone. Hell, I watched the entirety of all four Presidential debates on YT, via my cell phone, during a lengthy commute in 3G only areas. I rarely use Windows but I can't recall any issues there either. I suspect this has to do with buggy/outdated Flash installations and slow machines.
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Re: I agree with Verizon

Seriously, none of what you've described is remotely close to typical internet use. 5TB of data at your house??? Are you an aspiring George Lucas or is your porn and warez collection that large? I have every single document, file, e-mail, and almost every program I've purchased/created since 1996, and it all fits comfortably onto a RAID-1 array of two 500GB drives.

I work as an IT consultant with customers ranging from 2 user home offices to 1,000+ user networks, and the customers with such storage requirements can be counted on one hand. You can not credibly claim that your situation is normal or expect ISPs to scale their residential infrastructure to accommodate people like you. You aren't even the 1%, you're more like the 0.01%

Incidentally, a lot of you have no idea of just how good you have it. We have customers with 100+ employees that are forced to share 3.0/768 DSL connections, because that's all that's available/affordable at their location. You'll forgive my complete lack of sympathy if you can't get by with a lousy 50mbit/s at your house.

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Re: LoL

said by Crookshanks:

You can buy music tracks for $0.99 from iTunes and Amazin, but people still pirate them....

$0.99 a song isn't really cheap. For one song, it seems like a small sum, but it adds up fast. Especially when you plot the amount of music the average teenager can consume vs. their income.

$0.10 a song, that might do something.
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