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Comments on news posted 2013-03-14 08:27:29: Just a few years ago, Nielsen proclaimed that the idea of TV cord cutting in favor of Internet video alternatives was "purely fiction. ..

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FFH5
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Not cord cutters but Cable TV subscription cutters

These people aren't cord cutters. They are just not subscribing to TV packages. They still keep their cable Internet connections and stream their content that way. I think the cable companies will just adjust their fees to make sure Internet only subscribers will pay more as the content comes that way instead of thru traditional cable TV packages.
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tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY

cnn reports

in the latest round of budget cuts.. cable-tv was the #1 "luxury" which gets cut FIRST when people lose their incomes and/or jobs. can't worry about paying a tv bill if you could end up without a home/apt.


SnipChopBren

@amazonaws.com

Don't miss it.

When my bill reached $113 for premium (which was a bargain back in 2005), I cut the cord and never looked back.

Cable news is a joke, its nothing but propaganda, politics and shock jock tv personalities telling me what to think about the news (Sorry Anderson Cooper but I don't give a damn what you think, now just shut up and read the damn news already!) and the rest of cable tv is just reality tv or repeats.

Cable shouldn't cost more than $50 for premium anyway.

Until the cable industry seriously rethinks how they do business, its going to continue to rot. No amount of bundling, 2 year contracts or gift cards is going to save what is already dead.


wdoa

join:2001-10-16
Spencer, MA

Where do OTA viewers fit in with this?

I recently put up an antenna outside and cancelled my service with Charter. Does Nielsen count OTA viewers as "zero TV"?


mr sean
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Comcast and AT&T...

...will only get my money when they pry it from my cold dead fingers...whether its TV, internet connectivity, or phone. This was just one of the factors that led me to cut several cords.

OTA and streaming (thank you Clear) for six years and quite happy..thank you.

BTW Karl..there is a yeti and unicorn in your antechamber that would like to have a word with you.
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Gozo

join:2012-07-25
reply to wdoa

Re: Where do OTA viewers fit in with this?

said by wdoa:

I recently put up an antenna outside and cancelled my service with Charter. Does Nielsen count OTA viewers as "zero TV"?

OTA: The secret the satellite and cable industry doesnt want you knowing about.

CXM_Splicer
Looking at the bigger picture
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reply to FFH5

Re: Not cord cutters but Cable TV subscription cutters

I think that is more of a technicality of the fact that most people get their Internet from the same company they get their TV from. 'Cord cutter' simply means someone who cancels their traditional pay TV service in favor of a free or nontraditional service. Satellite TV is not connected by a cord but if you cancel it (and don't replace it with some other paid system), it is still cord cutting.


dvd536
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reply to FFH5
said by FFH5:

These people aren't cord cutters. They are just not subscribing to TV packages. They still keep their cable Internet connections and stream their content that way. I think the cable companies will just adjust their fees to make sure Internet only subscribers will pay more as the content comes that way instead of thru traditional cable TV packages.

they already do. its called data caps.
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88615298
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reply to Gozo

Re: Where do OTA viewers fit in with this?

said by Gozo:

said by wdoa:

I recently put up an antenna outside and cancelled my service with Charter. Does Nielsen count OTA viewers as "zero TV"?

OTA: The secret the satellite and cable industry doesnt want you knowing about.

Good luck watching Game Of Thrones or Monday Night Football via OTA.


buzz_4_20

join:2003-09-20
Limestone, ME
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Zero TV or Zero Traditional TV service?

No Cable or Satellite at my home.

But We do stream show's/Movies on non-advertizing services.

We also watch DVDs, that we buy and physically SHARE with friends.

We have no need for cable.

Where do we fit in to this?
We watch TV just not in a way where we see ads.
and isn't that the whole point of Nielsen, to help make sure ads are sold at the highest rate?

Oh no people are watching content they paid for but they don't see ADs, how will the world continue spinning...

rody_44
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hmm

I use to eat lobster at least once a week. I dont anymore. It has nothing to do with lobster costing more or even tasting worse. Has all to do with its a luxury i can cut out in these hard times. I have every intention of going back to eating it weekly when times and the economy get better. Im sure many of these so called cord cutters feel the same. who isnt trying to save money these days.

rody_44
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Just for clarification

According to Nielsen’s Fourth-Quarter 2012 Cross-Platform Report, the U.S. had more than five million Zero-TV households in 2013, up from just over 2 million in 2007. These households don’t fit Nielsen’s traditional definition of a TV household, but they still view video content. The television itself isn’t obsolete, however, as more than 75 percent of these homes still have at least one TV set, which they use to watch DVDs, play games or surf the Net. When it comes to video content, a growing amount of these households are using other devices.


CrowMag

join:2003-03-11
Boulder Creek, CA

I cut the cord and more

I am not suggesting everyone do this. I have had a Straight Talk phone for over a year now. I rooted the phone and can use it for a hot spot. I know that people say if you use over 2 gigs a month you will probably get caught and dropped. I have used over 30 gigs a month and have not been caught yet. I pay $45.00 a month for unlimited phone, text and internet. I stream movies and tv shows a lot. At that price if I get caught I will just buy another phone.


cableties
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reply to Gozo

Re: Where do OTA viewers fit in with this?

Who would have thought that in 2013, one would be regressing back to an aerial and rotor? And yet, I helped a friend set up a chimney mount with a digital antenna and rotor! (he is smack between Philly, NYC and Allentown stations).
MLB looks great, and Fox/CBS/NBC/ABC/PBS come in rather well, with choices for two markets (or three if you count ABLehigh stations).
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NotTheMama
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No, "Mr. Nielsen"...

we're also tuning in "traditional" TV--literally, as in broadcast. Back to the basics.
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tschmidt
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reply to wdoa

Re: Where do OTA viewers fit in with this?

We are an OTA and DSL family.

I had to read the article several times to understand what they were trying to say. Interesting that OTA was not even mentioned as an alternative to Cable and Sat.

/tom

decifal

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Bon Aqua, TN
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If

If enough people cut the cord, monday night football will migrate back to a OTA friendly network rather than ESPN or any cable only methods.. too much money to be made.. As in for the game of thrones.. Netflix dvd subscription takes care of that.. You'll be a season behind, but for the cost savings.. Patience is virtuous in terms of keeping green stuff in the wallet

extreme100
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It's the content

Hundreds of channels and nothin' on!
Why pay for that?
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fifty nine

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
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TV is an expensive business

And the value of the dollar is falling. Inflation is reality. The price cannot remain the same forever.

But I am glad that people are making choices. Let the market work.


Corehhi

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Bluffton, SC
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reply to wdoa

Re: Where do OTA viewers fit in with this?

said by wdoa:

I recently put up an antenna outside and cancelled my service with Charter. Does Nielsen count OTA viewers as "zero TV"?

They should???? That's what I did, antenna plus NetFlix plus internet feeds so end result plenty of programing for $9 a month. After seeing my set up two of my neighbors dropped cable as well. It took them a while but over time they thought about, "do I really need to pay $100 plus dollars for all these channels?" If you're a sports fan you might not like cutting the cord but for everyone else it's a good deal.

bekfe10

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I guess for me it is more the content

I have not had cable TV for the past 13 years and we have plenty of channels to watch. Having small kids, I do not have to worry much about content although some inappropriate scenes would pop up here and there sometimes. 6 years ago, I invested about $500 in a good digital TV antenna, pre-amp, distribution amp, and RG6 cable to rewire my entire house (investment already paid for itself). Although the antenna is located in my attic, but from DE I am able to pull channels from Philadelphia, New Jersey and even Baltimore. We have a total of 5 TVs in the house and everyone can watch the program they want.

elefante72

join:2010-12-03
East Amherst, NY
reply to cableties

Re: Where do OTA viewers fit in with this?

Well you can stream MNF for free. HBO are the idiots that don't allow OTT for GOT, and since it is the most pirated series of all time that means their business model needs tweaking.

I don't think it should be a requirement for cable for ANYTHING, and that is where things are going, it will just have to be 20 million people before they notice.

elefante72

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reply to FFH5

Re: Not cord cutters but Cable TV subscription cutters

Zero-TV is an utterly stupid name, and shows that they obviously don't know what they are talking about.

Does a person who uses OTA or OTT services watch zero-tv. No, they simply don't pay for cable TV.

It's sort of condescending also, because it dismisses millions of people as "zeros" which could be farther from the truth.

How about calling them: SMART.

In my case, I 100% don't need cable but Verizon priced it so that my 50/25 plus select HD (the one without sports which has an amazing selection of channels) is the SAME that it would cost to just have internet, so of course WHO wouldn't buy that. So in my case bundling is causing me from only having internet. Do I watch any of those channels, NO. But they are there in case someone wants to watch them. It's really a shame, but I am not the bean counter that put that together.

I bet if you added in all of these "bundling fatalities" that number would be close to 20 million, it's just nobody is even asking that question. The situation is more dire than they think...


PaulHikeS2

join:2003-03-06
Fitchburg, MA
OTA are TV households according to Nielson - they are not and never have been "zero TV", but they are "cord cutters" unless they never subscribed to pay TV services.
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Jason Levine
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USA

Almost cut cable

Every year we come close to cutting cable. This year, our bill was going to rise from $105 a month (Cable TV - no premium channels - and Internet) to $150 (IIRC). I called to see what they could do for me and the "deal" was I pay $9 more and downgrade my Internet speed. I said no deal. We were about to cut it when we were contacted via social media about the issue and directed to someone who gave us a better deal: $86 a month for what we have now. (Rate is locked in for a year, but there is no contract.)

I asked and just Internet would cost $36 a month. We would still save $50 a month cutting cable. So while we're sticking with cable for the moment, it's still on the chopping block should we need to reduce spending anywhere. Between DVDs (library and occasional purchase), OTA, Netflix, and Amazon VOD, we can get all the TV entertainment we need. Besides, with books, general Internet, video games, etc., our entertainment sources are more varied than just TV.
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DownTheShore
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reply to Gozo

Re: Where do OTA viewers fit in with this?

But OTA only works well if you've got a powerful aerial with a rotor. For apartment dwellers such as myself who tried the OTA route, there often isn't a wide assortment of channels and not all the channels come in regularly - even with a very good indoor antenna.

I've got broadband, the cheapest cable tier to get my local stations, and a Roku device. In addition, that allows me to access my Amazon Prime video service for movies and TV shows. I also have the Playon service for the Roku that really extends what's available to me to watch.

The only thing that is lacking, from my POV, is access to the YES Network. I'm thinking of upping my cable tier for the summer just to be able to watch Mariano's final season.
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Gami00

join:2010-03-11
Mississauga, ON
reply to rody_44

Re: hmm

that analogy doesn't really fit..

you can only replace lobster with lobster, either by finding cheaper lobster (there isn't unless you live in the town that exports it) or cancelling cable services to keep with the lobster intake.

but for TV - entertainment. that can easily be supplemented/replaced by things that are free or are already paid for by other services you still choose to keep.

i.e. streaming from youtube/twitch. netflix, hulu, web-based streaming from all stations (they do have free stuff to stream out), and OTA tv if you can get a single.
When you finally go about getting into these sources, you find you have no need to go back to playing for a "cable" subscription.


88615298
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West Tenness
reply to elefante72

Re: Where do OTA viewers fit in with this?

said by elefante72:

Well you can stream MNF for free. HBO are the idiots that don't allow OTT for GOT, and since it is the most pirated series of all time that means their business model needs tweaking.

MNF can only be streamed if you have WatchESPN which requires a cable subscription AND if you cable company has a deal with ESPN. I do not count ILLEGAL methods. That likes saying Wal-Mart gives out DVDs for free as long as you can walk out the store without out paying for them.

CXM_Splicer
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reply to elefante72

Re: Not cord cutters but Cable TV subscription cutters

Funny that a company that supposedly tracks rating and viewership would make up a category of households they can't track. What was the top rated show for people with no TV?


88615298
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reply to bekfe10

Re: I guess for me it is more the content

Just a couple of points.

A) no such thing as a digital TV antenna. Just a TV antenna. A TV antenna from 30 years ago will work on a digital TV.

B) Not everyone has the luxury have having several markets available. Some can't even get in one market.