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Comments on news posted 2013-03-14 08:27:29: Just a few years ago, Nielsen proclaimed that the idea of TV cord cutting in favor of Internet video alternatives was "purely fiction. ..

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aaronwt
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join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA
reply to extreme100

Re: It's the content

said by extreme100:

Hundreds of channels and nothin' on!
Why pay for that?

Yet there is always something on.


jap
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join:2003-08-10
038xx
reply to CXM_Splicer

Re: Not cord cutters but Cable TV subscription cutters

said by CXM_Splicer:

What was the top rated show for people with no TV?

In my case, The Daily Show with Jon Stewart streamed from the Comedy Central website. No TV set here since 1979. Now that I subscribe to Netflix I watch more TV content than ever before. The interwebs turned me into a couch potato.

So what's Nielson's category for newly arrived TV viewers with no TV-specific hardware, no TV-specific service?

Vorg
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join:2002-06-18
Tucson, AZ
reply to FFH5
Never had a sub to tv or sat. Use OTA with linux vdr and 5 ATSC tuners for a DVR. Use Hulu free, Crackle, and PopcornFlix (all free) for movies and other shows. Once in a great while, will rent a move from Red box which cost $1.

15444104
Premium
join:2012-06-11

The dirty little secret that they don't want to admit

More and more households are dumping pay tv services and buying a decent antenna and receiving DTV over the air for FREE. I see MORE and MORE antennas popping up all over the place in the past several years and it doesn't show any sign of slowing down. Heck most of the stuff on pay tv today is crap, not to mention the literal blizzard of ads with little program content! You almost can't see two minutes of program without seeing ads anymore on any channel. If I have to suffer ads I am sure NOT going to pay more ...LOL

Oh did I mention that most stuff on pay tv is crap anyhow. LOL

SanJoseNerd
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San Jose, CA

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reply to wdoa

Re: Where do OTA viewers fit in with this?

Nielsen pretends that OTA doesn't exist. They don't count OTA as "zero TV".

Here is what Nielsen says: "Most people watch TV in their living rooms using traditional cable or satellite options. In fact, more than 95 percent of Americans get their information and entertainment that way."

But that's impossible, because 17.8% of TV households rely exclusively on OTA: »www.nab.org/documents/newsroom/p···?id=2761


SirChaos

join:2002-01-15
Marysville, WA

I used to work for Nielsen

OTA homes (Antenna homes) are COUNTED. They are not considered "Zero TV".

A Zero TV home is a home that does not receive at least ONE channel via their TV via Satellite, Cable or Antenna. (Even if they don't watch it.)
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I_Rock

@comcast.net

criminalcast

I was slowing getting irritated at the constant price increases and then when criminalcast started to bill me 2 bucks for each digital adapter in the house in order to watch tv...I ripped the cable out and hand delivered them back to their office. I told CS to take the cable tv off the bill..CUT IT.
That 2 dollar fee cost them $150.00/month.


SirChaos

join:2002-01-15
Marysville, WA
reply to SanJoseNerd

Re: Where do OTA viewers fit in with this?

said by SanJoseNerd:

Nielsen pretends that OTA doesn't exist.

Sorry to say......they do know that OTA exists and they do measure it.
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15444104
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reply to I_Rock

Re: criminalcast

Problem is these creatures can't see beyond their own insatiable greed. They really are a different "breed" of animal compared to the typical human being.


Corehhi

join:2002-01-28
Bluffton, SC
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reply to SirChaos

Re: Where do OTA viewers fit in with this?

said by SirChaos:

said by SanJoseNerd:

Nielsen pretends that OTA doesn't exist.

Sorry to say......they do know that OTA exists and they do measure it.

The other funny thing is I actually put up an antenna because my wife liked American Idol but wanted to hear and see it's highest quality which is OTA. At the time my cable system didn't even offer digital service I don't think and I wasn't getting Sat for American Idol. I did have an HDTV and 5.1 stero connected to it. So really the only reason I started fooling around with an antenna was because my cable company couldn't offer anything near the uncompressed HD signal from the towers.


Corehhi

join:2002-01-28
Bluffton, SC

Some info for cord cutters in the making

This might help some one out about what channels are available and antenna needed etc. Enough to point you in the right direction.
»www.antennaweb.org/


Corehhi

join:2002-01-28
Bluffton, SC
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reply to CXM_Splicer

Re: Not cord cutters but Cable TV subscription cutters

said by CXM_Splicer:

Funny that a company that supposedly tracks rating and viewership would make up a category of households they can't track. What was the top rated show for people with no TV?

No no. Nielson was around before cable and they did fine rating OTA shows for years. Yes they can and did track OTA households it's just a matter of most households have cable now. Realize I'm so old that we didn't cable available on my block until I was in high school. That was the early 80's. Let me tell you HBO was the shit back then. No cable no HBO.LOL. I had 4 channels that some times needed to be fine tuned and if the President gave a speech you listen or didn't watch TV because nothing else was on, literally.


cognizantt

join:2009-06-13
Montreal, QC

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"cut the cord"

"cut the cord", interesting phrase.

i terminated my videotron tv cable some months back. the cost was a nominal savings back in my pocket.

why ?
it's just no longer relevant.

thanks to idiotic crtc decisions and me being in quebec, the greater part of all tv channels i do not watch.

can i get the ones i do want without being gouged ?
no.

3 sports channels - i don't watch sports.
a large pile of french tv stations - i don't watch french tv.
french music channels - i watch youtube.
the weather station - i have a widget that tells me everything i need to know.
local news - i read google news instead.
the few tv shows i watch, i now download. upshot - no tv commercials. a one hour show with commercials is now 43 minutes commercial free.
there are only 3 shows i used to be able to watch that i can't now. doesn't bother me.

to get the channels i did want, videotron would charge me a bizarre price.

now i watch what i want, when i went - via the internet, thanks.

me and 5 million other people.

and that number will just keep growing.

until consumers get to choose the channels they want for a reasonable price, "cord cutters" will discover alternatives are not only cheaper, they're better.

or free.


cork1958
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If it wasn't for the wife.......

I probably would not even own a tv. Most of the crap on their is so stupid that the only entertaining thing about it is the fact that there are actually people that watch it!!

All of those reality shows come to mind, right away!!
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CXM_Splicer
Looking at the bigger picture
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reply to Corehhi

Re: Not cord cutters but Cable TV subscription cutters

Actually, I was not talking about cable but people who don't own television sets. What is the top rated TV show for people who don't own a television or computer monitor? jap conveniently bypassed the question by using a computer monitor as the TV so now I have to include it!

I was taking Linklist's literal definition of 'cord cutting' and applying that method to the definition of 'Zero TV'. I don't think they mean people with no television sets but was agreeing with elefante72 that it is a stupidly named demographic.

Edit: Cut Budget is now Linklist :/

elefante72

join:2010-12-03
East Amherst, NY
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reply to 88615298

Re: Where do OTA viewers fit in with this?

It's not illegal to connect to a POP in Canada or in an out of market area and stream the game directly through a multicast feed.

BTW your analogy is incorrect. You are comparing potential copyright violations with petit theft or retail theft which are different classes of incidents. In the case of theft that falls typically under criminal (whereas copyright violations are typically civil penalties. They have gotten more barbaric recently tho.

It's called a blackout which is a fictional and artificial way of limiting supply. At first the theory was that a blackout was there to sell seats (but when they are $100 maybe not), but then even after they were sold out they STILL blacked out games. It never ends. They should be happy because half of the game is commercials and I "thought" that is where they made their money.

I live in WNY which is considered a "local NYC" market area which I live over 400 miles from. Even Boston, Phil, DC, Balt, etc are closer. Interestingly enough MLB won't take my money so I can watch the Yankees, so my only "easy" alternative is to pay $35 a month more for Yes, and I'm not going to do that. So I just don't watch the games anymore, and I could now care less if the Yankees just disappear. Sad because I grew up going to games all the time and my fond memories of that one can not replace. But the MLB has wrecked my relationship w/ the Yankees and picking your advertisers over fans--even ones who will pay is a good way to go out of business.

There are also many other ways to see them, and BTW retransmitting the stream is theoretically a breach of some made up copyright laws not tapping it directly.

I personally go to the bar if there is a game to watch with the guys, but all of my buds pay for the full monty so we could go to their house. Is that considered a performance if 10 people are watching the game? Yes Should I send $10 to the NFL?

This s**t is ridiculous.


dvd536
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Phoenix, AZ
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reply to decifal

Re: If

said by decifal:

If enough people cut the cord, monday night football will migrate back to a OTA friendly network rather than ESPN or any cable only methods.. too much money to be made.. As in for the game of thrones.. Netflix dvd subscription takes care of that.. You'll be a season behind, but for the cost savings.. Patience is virtuous in terms of keeping green stuff in the wallet

When MNF went to cable, SNF came out in essence replacing the night game already.
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tschmidt
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reply to Corehhi

Re: Some info for cord cutters in the making

If you are serious about using an over the air antenna the TVfool site is a much better way to model estimated signal strength
»tvfool.com/

The site also models FM stations, they can sometimes interfere with TV if they are close by.
»www.fmfool.com/

For US residents there is also the FCC site, not sure about Canadian residents.
»transition.fcc.gov/mb/engineering/maps/

Finally couple of other helpful sites - kind of the DSL Reports for TV:
»www.avsforum.com/f/45/local-hdtv···eception

And for our Canadian friends:
»www.digitalhome.ca/forum/

/tom
fixed typos

MURICA

join:2013-01-03
reply to CXM_Splicer

Re: Not cord cutters but Cable TV subscription cutters

said by CXM_Splicer:

Satellite TV is not connected by a cord but if you cancel it (and don't replace it with some other paid system), it is still cord cutting.

False. Satellite television is connected via coaxial cable from the satellite antenna to the receiver. It is connected by a cord.

MURICA

join:2013-01-03
reply to Corehhi

Re: Where do OTA viewers fit in with this?

OTA signals are not 'uncompressed'


tschmidt
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said by MURICA:

OTA signals are not 'uncompressed'

True, all programs are compressed - raw video takes way too much bandwidth. However Cable and Sat providers often additionally compress the feed they get from the station to fit more programs in available channel capacity.

If that is being done OTA will yield better picture quality.

/Tom

CXM_Splicer
Looking at the bigger picture
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reply to MURICA

Re: Not cord cutters but Cable TV subscription cutters

Yes, and the TV is also connected to the power socket by a cord. Ironically, it is still possible to 'cut the cord' by cancelling your satellite TV account and leaving the coax to the antenna connected!! Go figure.


miataman

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reply to aaronwt

Re: It's the content

Bruce Springsteen,
"His song "57 Channels (And Nothin' On)" is about a man who, after his investments in television, cable, satellite dishes, and home entertainment fail to bring him happiness, takes out his frustration by shooting the television set. The lyrics reference Elvis Presley in this regard.
So I bought a .44 magnum, it was solid steel cast,
And in the blessed name of Elvis, well, I just let it blast.
--
"My hat, my cane, Jeeves".


aaaaaaa

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reply to wdoa

Re: Where do OTA viewers fit in with this?

I participated in the Nielsen survey a few weeks ago. In the pre-survey call, I told them I had cancelled cable last year and hadn't turned on the TV for 6 months. They said they didn't care, just so long as the TV works and that it can receive programming, either OTA or cable or dish.

During the week of the survey, they called to see if I had any questions. I asked how I should document watching Internet streaming video. They said to not count it.

I reported "NO VIEWING" on all of the days of the survey.

So, no, Nielsen does not count OTA viewers as zero; OTA viewers and what they watch are counted. However, they count streaming video viewers as zero, at least for the TV survey.

axus

join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC
reply to PaulHikeS2

Re: Not cord cutters but Cable TV subscription cutters

Yep. I recently spent $250 on a used DVR so I could enjoy my OTA television better. It must be a small market, though, because there's only like one device you can buy new that's not Tivo, and it's not as good as last gen tech.

WhatNow
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Charlotte, NC
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reply to elefante72

Re: Where do OTA viewers fit in with this?

My feeling if it just a party to watch the game and no money was paid to attend then the law may say something different but I don't care if 100 people show up it should not be illegal.
TWC wanted to charge $4/month for the modem that had been free for years. I bought my own and dropped the VoIP I seldom used. I would drop the TV if I was not 100+ miles from from all major cities.

The only non OTA TV channels I watch is SyFy. The major networks show more repeats then the original show.

Zarathustra

join:2013-03-16

Half-N-Half

Still subscribing to Cable, but next to lowest tier, primarily for news and sports (Pac-12 Network, for instance). If I could conveniently get them through a streaming app, I'd be gone in a flash.

As it is, almost all of my prime-time viewing is on Netflix and a few other streaming channels (just started watching the second season of The Killing). I have no need for pay channels (HBO, etc.), pay-per-view, or OnDemand.

So, although I'm still connected to cable, I'm only half connected.


netwire
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Shelby, NC
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re

The funny thing is that just a few weeks back I had someone from Nielsen knock on my door asking about my television service provider. I guess I am one of those "Zero TV" homes. While I have both DirecTV and Dish Network mounted out on poles I use neither. Hulu+, Roku and Netflix is my entertainment choice.
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basementdude

@charter.com

The only dogs breakfast is...

when your at your sisters house flipping through 200 channels and the only entertaining fare is the music stations. Programming is dead. On demand is the new king. Watch what you want when you want. My flipping days are over.

scajjr

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reply to tschmidt

Re: Some info for cord cutters in the making

said by tschmidt:

If you are serious about using an over the air antenna the TVfool site is a much better way to model estimated signal strength
»tvfool.com/

The site also models FM stations, they can sometimes interfere with TV if they are close by.
»www.fmfool.com/

For US residents there is also the FCC site, not sure about Canadian residents.
»transition.fcc.gov/mb/engineering/maps/

Finally couple of other helpful sites - kind of the DSL Reports for TV:
»www.avsforum.com/f/45/local-hdtv···eception

And for our Canadian friends:
»www.digitalhome.ca/forum/

/tom
fixed typos

Also the DTV USA site »www.dtvusaforum.com/forum/ is a great source for antenna help/advice. They helped me a lot when we cut the cord 2 years ago. Put 2 antennas in the attic (1-UHF, 1VHF), an amp and it feeds 5 TVs. We get 27 OTA channels, plus what we get over the internet and using PlayOn. Have saved $2500 over the 2 years. Cost for the 2 antennas was under $100, amp was $10, used the existing RG6 in the house (cable was a new install only 3 years before).

Sam