pawpaw
join:2004-05-05
Greenville, SC | EFF, the NRA of the 21st Century If you value your liberty, join the EFF. |
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| This Is Big This is a big win for the U.S. Constitution and The People of the United States of America. It's about time the federal government was reminded it's not the unfettered power it's lately believed itself to be.
Kudos to Judge Susan Illston.
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join both Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty, in this order: Soap box, ballot box, jury box, ammo box.
The EFF only has two of those in its arsenal. The NRA has three. The people have all four, at least the ones that aren't too apathetic to drag themselves away from American Idol long enough to go vote... |
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Re: This Is Big The battle is won, but the war drags on until DoJ stops appealing it or SCOTUS makes a similar judgment.
One can never predict how the nine will vote, but if I was a betting man I'd say you've got six or seven justices that would frown on this practice, provided they get a case they can make a relevant ruling on. |
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 cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7 | reply to jseymour
In related news, Judge Susan Illston has been mentioned as the target of an investigation in aiding terrorism, treason, tax evasion, illegal immigration, child pornography, weapon charges, espionage, animal cruelty, smuggling, running a meth lab, and several overdue library books. Her current case load has been assigned to other more government-friendly judges while she deals with these personal issues. |
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This is likely the first skirmish of the first battle, but sometimes winning the first skirmish is indeed a big deal.
Realistically, this will probably result in these "requests" being harder to place and/or subject to more disclosure rather than eliminated entirely. The more we can get the better, of course, but to some extent cops should be allowed to be cops... |
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CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picturePremium
join:2011-08-11
NYC
kudos:1 | reply to cdru
Overdue library books is no joke. If they get her on that, I fully expect her decision to be reversed. |
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 cabanaDepartment of AdjustmentsAssistant
join:2000-07-07
New York, NY
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The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them. (Patrick Henry -- you know -- the give me liberty or death dude)  |
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join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | reply to Crookshanks
Court of appeals in Calif may even let this stand. But when it gets to USSC, this ruling dies a quick death. |
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Re: This Is Big Coincidence? That will teach this judge to rule honestly! |
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Re: join both said by Crookshanks:at least the ones that aren't too apathetic to drag themselves away from American Idol long enough to go vote...
They do vote! By the millions! Many of them vote tens or hundreds of times!
Oh wait, you mean voting in an election... Then, no, they probably don't go out and vote  |
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join:2003-08-10
038xx | reply to pawpaw
Re: EFF, the NRA of the 21st Century said by pawpaw:If you value your liberty, join the EFF.
The EFF is indeed an impressive org. They plod along at the foundational level fighting the good fight relatively uncelebrated. I respect that. |
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to jseymour
Re: This Is Big it is a good ruling but the SCOTUS will shoot it down.
however if anon ever got their hands on the NSL records from companies I would not see it as bad if they made them all public.
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cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7 | said by Kearnstd:however if anon ever got their hands on the NSL records from companies I would not see it as bad if they made them all public. Honestly I bet a good portion of the NSL are boring and mundane if you knew the truth why they were requested. The people or organizations they were requested for probably would feel their privacy was invaded, and they would be right, but overall most of it will be a lot of hoopla about nothing. It doesn't excuse it. And I'm not condoning it. But just stating fact.
Hoover's FBI files had dirt on a lot of people, but it also had common knowledge, ho-hum, and who-cares information of many other people too. |
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| You're not stating fact, you're stating your opinion. If it's so boring and mundane, why is it being requested at all; why is the information being requested in this manner? |
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cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7 | Because its easier to go on fishing expeditions with long shots when you don't have to go through those pesky judges. There have been hundreds of THOUSANDS NSL issued. And despite all those fishing expeditions, how many convictions or even real charges have resulted? If there was something exciting about those letters, you can be damn siure SOMETHING would have resulted in the war against terror/drugs/cause of the moment. |
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CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picturePremium
join:2011-08-11
NYC
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| Agreed, sort of. If there was anything legally 'interesting' they would have no problem going through legitimate existing channels. I would offer though that what they are fishing for could still be completely unknown to the general public. Our government certainly loves its secrecy (especially as of late). I could easily imagine a modern day House Un-American Activities Committee or some crazy pre-crime detection unit operating in complete secrecy. I mean, if you aren't even allowed to discuss the letter with your attorney, there is something nefarious (on the government's part) going on. |
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 dnoyeBFerrous Phallus
join:2000-10-09
Southfield, MI
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Re: join both The analogy fails because the EFF doesn't work for the interests of ATT, IBM, Microsoft, etc. In fact, they are often found on opposite sides of a court room.
Whereas the NRA defends profit not liberty. It doesn't cross gun manufacturers.
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japPremium
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038xx | said by dnoyeB:The analogy fails Agreed. The EFF works in broad foundational concepts of law & society much like the ACLU and remain unconcerned with any one single industry or issue. NRA concerns are extremely narrow: guns. |
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Re: This Is Big If this is the case then why are they going fishing at all? Let alone that they require that it seems nobody anywhere can get info on just what they are up to. |
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