| car manufacturers would love to lock you in to the dealer fo car manufacturers would love to lock you in to the dealer for service work and if they want to be real dicks windshield wiper fluid as well.
Just think lock the hood down and make you pay $10 per fill up + a hard sell on other work. |
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| Maker Faire motto - we void warranties Is acceptable to void warranties with hacks but not throw us in jail for it. |
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| yes if we paid full price for the idem so yes,like for directv for say they make u pay 200+ just to upgrade their boxes and you still don't own the box and you still have to return it. but anyway we should be able to unlock cable modems cellphones voip.. |
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 BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | One huge problem Inevitable if everything as unlock many morons would fuck up their devices hacking into them then expect the manufacturer to replace said devices for free. When said manufacturer says no, they will go on the internet messageboard and facebook and twitter and start railing against that manufacturer and how evil and greedy they are for not standing by their product thus giving said company undue bad press. In fact these idiot would actually blame the company for making a faulty device to begin with.
I'd be for unlocking stuff if I was sure that most people when it comes to technology weren't pretty stupid. Sadly the overwhelming vast majority are. |
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Re: car manufacturers would love to lock you in to the dealer fo Give it enough time... in the future all vehicles will be leased, or virtually too expensive to own/maintain (lock down information on codes).
Anyone remember the EV-1 |
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Re: One huge problem Oh no not undue bad press! The poor manufacturers, whatever will they do? |
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Re: yes said by whoyourdaddy:if we paid full price for the idem so yes,like for directv for say they make u pay 200+ just to upgrade their boxes and you still don't own the box and you still have to return it. but anyway we should be able to unlock cable modems cellphones voip..
That's correct. $200 for an iPhone is not full price.
The upside with DirecTV though is that since it's leased equipment, if it breaks you don't have to pay for a new one. |
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| Does this law apply to? Someone like me that always buys my phones and such outright? Even though I'm on postpaid carriers I still don't sign a contract. I haven't seen a definitive answer on this. |
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Re: yes if it is leased equipment why pay hundred's of bucks for the upgrade when its free to new customers |
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| said by whoyourdaddy:if it is leased equipment why pay hundred's of bucks for the upgrade when its free to new customers
Lease doesn't mean free or monthly cost only. When you lease a car you pay up front too.
Not everything is free to new customers either.
Also they don't really want you to send back the receiver if you cancel after your 2 year contract.
You can also purchase the receiver outright for $500. Doesn't matter if you are a new customer or existing. |
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coma9
join:2013-02-05
United State | reply to BF69
Re: One huge problem said by BF69:Inevitable if everything as unlock many morons would fuck up their devices hacking into them then expect the manufacturer to replace said devices for free. Nah, just like everyone else includes in the fine print, if you void the warranty, and break your device, tough shit. Which is how it should be. If you don't know what you're doing, and find a way to break your toy, it stays broken. |
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join:2000-10-09
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| Government stopped this practice in Auto industry The government saw the auto industry starting to add proprietary diagnostic codes and toolsets. Making it difficult if not impossible for the corner mechanic to work on cars. The government saw this as a detriment to the customer.
Now not only can you get a free diagnostic at Autozone, etc. but the OEMs have to maintain a certain level of self diagnosability in their modules.
Do you own your engine controller? Well, no, you can't easily change the code in it. But neither do auto manufacturers seem to care so long as they are not responsible for your crash and burn. (or more specifically your failing emission standards)
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| Yes We Should. We should also be aware of the consequences too.
I've hacked my phone, consoles, router, computer.
I was fully aware that if I f'd it up that it was on me.
If you're using it the way YOU want that it isn't intended just remember it's on you.
If I mess up my xbox while I'm soldering, I'm not going to blame MS, cause it wouldn't be their fault it'd be mine.
Why is this so hard for people to figure out.
Blaming the Manufacturer for what YOU did to it is what got us in the place to begin with. |
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Re: yes said by fifty nine: $200 for an iPhone is not full price.
The upside with DirecTV though is that since it's leased equipment, if it breaks you don't have to pay for a new one.
That's really not true at all.
For one thing the cellphone carriers keep the prices of the devices sky high to make their contracts seem attractive.
But you can buy an Iphone clone made in a factory in red china, just like the real Iphone and with most of the same parts in it for $65. Could a real Iphone be worth $20 more? Maybe but surely not more than that. Look them up on Dealextreme.
As far as Directv is concerned they want to have it both ways. They want to lease you the equipment then they want to sell you a "service contract" to protect you from the cost of failures of *their equipment*. If you don't pay for the service contract and your TV is not working they try to charge you for the repair, of *their equipment*.
I have been there. They tried to charge me for a service call. I explained to them that I consider the cost of providing a usable picture on my TV screen to be entirely their responsibility. They backed off completely. |
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 Woody79_00I run Linux am I still a PC?Premium
join:2004-07-08
united state | reply to BF69
Re: One huge problem If you buy a device at full price outright, then you "own it" and "owning the device" means you have the right to do with your property what you want.
If you want to run over a tablet you own with your car, thats your prerogative...
At the time of purchase, the user should be presented with a piece of paper stating the manufacture will warranty the device for a set period "as long as the software or hardware on the device has not been tamered with, and if the user jailbreaks or tampers with the software in anyway the warranty is void"
The consumer has to sign the paper before purchase...if they tamper with it and break it, then tough luck....
locking someone out of a device they own is never good business and is never the answer for anything...either you believe in private property rights or you don't, and private property rights are much more then just owning your house and yard...it extends to the goods and materiel you own too. |
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Re: yes DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT DIRECTV EQUIPMENT IS WORTH $200?
It's worth at most $200 TO BUY! They got you by the gonads when they can both say you bought it as well as leased it. |
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| Nothing should be locked. Actually this is the wrong approach.
The cellphone carriers should be barred from selling equipment at all as a condition of their spectrum licenses.
As it is the carriers keep a stranglehold on the equipment and use that to keep their customers signed up on long contracts to prevent competition. They do it intentionally. That's what should be stopped.
If the cellphone carriers were only carriers you would be able to buy unlocked multi network phones from retail stores much cheaper than now. The manufacturers only sell to carriers now, if they could sell their products at retail there would be much more competition.
Prices for both phones and service would decline and quality would improve. There would be real competition.
No carriers whining about unlocking phones. No carriers advertising phones, they would only advertise their service and how great it is, and without contracts they would have to provide good service or you would take your multi network phone elsewhere. |
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 NightfallMy Goal Is To Deny YoursPremium,MVM
join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
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Re: One huge problem said by BF69:Inevitable if everything as unlock many morons would fuck up their devices hacking into them then expect the manufacturer to replace said devices for free. When said manufacturer says no, they will go on the internet messageboard and facebook and twitter and start railing against that manufacturer and how evil and greedy they are for not standing by their product thus giving said company undue bad press. In fact these idiot would actually blame the company for making a faulty device to begin with.
I'd be for unlocking stuff if I was sure that most people when it comes to technology weren't pretty stupid. Sadly the overwhelming vast majority are.
I like this idea instead.
You unlock the device, you void the warranty. It really is that simple. Then, if you screw it up, its your own fault and you don't qualify for warranty replacement.
There aren't very many common users who are going to unlock their devices anyway. So this really is a small segment of techie users.
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Your argument is just plain stupid.
First off, a vast majority will not tinker with their device at all.
Second, phones are really no different than computers and even the unskilled have the full ability to modify their computers in every way possible and yet the industry still survives doesnt it?
Third, regardless of all that. We bought and paid for the device. We should be able to do whatever the hell we want with it just like I can with any other device. It it breaks as a result, then oh well. We took that chance and broke it. But if I want to turn my smartphone into a nuclear powered weed eater, then I should be able to do just that. |
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