| Geez... Verizon should use this in one of their ads......
"Can you bust me now?" |
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| Mr. Rigmaiden needs better expert witnesses.... quote:
Rigmaiden maintains that in order for the stingray to be able to collect location data from his air card, Verizon Wireless had to write data to the air card consisting of “identifying information for the FBI’s emulated cell sites” as well as make configuration changes that would cause the air card to recognize the FBI’s emulated cell tower as an authorized tower for providing service and cause the air card to attempt connections to the emulated tower prior to attempting connections with actual Verizon Wireless towers.
Verizon's cooperation would not be required in this instance. So long as the "stingray" is broadcasting the appropriate SID any nearby Verizon Wireless device is going to prefer it over more distant cell sites with weaker signal.
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“The FBI technical agents needed Verizon Wireless to write data to the aircard in this manner because the aircard’s properly configured Preferred Roaming List prevented it from accessing rogue, unauthorized cell sites
Not if the "unauthorized" cell site is masquerading as a legitimate one. The PRL doesn't list towers, it lists system/network IDs, and priority frequencies to scan for service when the phone is cold booted. The "stingray" likely behaves just as a femtocell does, broadcasting on the exact same frequencies as the macro cellular network. No PRL modification would be necessary. Hell, a system that depended on PRL modifications would be useless for 3G devices, since the user controlled (via *228) when they would pull such an update, and most aren't proactive enough to bother. |
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Gig Harbor, WA | Please tell me this is an April Foolks joke Sad thing is, I know it isn't. It's just par for the course. |
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Glen Head, NY | Data Plan I guess if you do not have a data plan or do not use it (I don't use my Sprint data plan) then this particular option does not work. In that case, they need to set up spoofed public WiFi hotpots.
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Springfield, MA
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| Prepaid phones A lot of prepaid phones can be activated anonymously without providing a name or SSN.
I'm sure the drug dealers are using prepaid phones to transact their dirty work. Back in the old days they used pagers and the police departments asked the phone company to switch the pay phones in high crime neighborhoods to pulse tone dialing so the pager systems would not recognize the touch tones.
The only way this form of spying is going to work is to pass a law requiring telecom companies to record and verify the identities of individuals who open a line of service like banks do when you open an account.
The only ones who are going to get scrutinized are law abiding citizens like myself as I have a contract plan with VZW which requires me handing over my personal information to VZW.
The drug dealers are going to use prepaid phones that don't require handing over personal information to activate service.
I know all this stuff because I like to watch Cops. I also know a few active and retired law enforcement officers.
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join:2001-06-01
Scotch Plains, NJ
kudos:3 | Unauthorized spectrum use Is anyone saying that it's ok for the government to use licensed spectrum without authorization?
Otherwise, Verizon would have to give authorization in any case and this would demonstrate their willingness to bend over backwards to help the government. |
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| nothing Like i said before, there's absolutely nothing that we can do about things like this. NOTHING! |
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| Coming to a cell site near you MPAA & RIAA spoofing cell sites to track pirates downloading content via prepaid cell phones with a data-enabled plan.
That would be funny to see them attempt prosecuting... Mike Larry downloaded 25 Justin Bieber songs.... Yeah... Mike Larry... That detective from Bad Boys |
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Re: nothing www.silentcircle.com |
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Re: Prepaid phones Tower spoofing will grab the prepaid users' conversations too. Many countries do require prepaid phones to be registered, so the US will eventually follow their example since they are "more civilized" than us, but really we're at the point where signal tracking and voice identification can provide total surveillance. |
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join:2002-05-13
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:2 | Warrents One thing I think is not clear in this article or the Wired article...
Warrants were obtained for this deployment. The contention is that such a device should not be used even with a warrant because uninvolved third parties can connect to the sting ray. (Of course, that prompts the question of why the third parties can connect if the FBI is not rewriting configurations on those devices too.) |
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00000 | reply to MaynardKrebs
Re: nothing Interesting, but how is this any different from other companies that are required to build in back doors for easy government agency access? Just like the other companies, they cannot say that they have this back doors to the data, yet all the backdoors exist and the encrypted calls are all routed through Verizon and AT&T's backbone connection to the NSA.
Privacy is an illusion. |
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join:2002-03-03
Williamstown, NJ
kudos:5 | reply to seamore
said by seamore:Like i said before, there's absolutely nothing that we can do about things like this. NOTHING!
Especially when judges are more than willing to give official approval thru warrants issued to police. |
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| lastweeks news... I read about this lastweek. 
Maybe Obama will just turn a blind eye (like he gave Monsata carte blanc on the GMO non-liability...like Chaney and CleanWater Act to fracking fluid non-liability to Haliburton).
"do you think the feds would allow ANY communication that can't be intercepted or monitored in the name of protecting the republic?" I reference Iridium.
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Anchorage, AK | reply to marigolds
Re: Warrents Maybe that's why they required Verizon to modify the device. They probably set it up as an access point that any unmodified device would not connect to, so only this one guy would. |
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kudos:2 | That would seem to make sense. If that is the case, though, then the privacy argument is much weaker. That would mean the device only collected the information that was expressly allowed by the warrant. |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to morbo
Re: nothing seems like the reason other nation's governments are looking to migrate completely to Linux. They know the US government wants back doors and will not take that risk with their own government computers and MS Windows.
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Chesterfield, MO | reply to IowaCowboy
Re: Prepaid phones Switching pay phones to pulse dialing -- did that actually work? The pager system will respond to the tones if you can generate them -- regardless of whether or not pay phone can generate them. |
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Chesterfield, MO | How Can This Be Stopped? Even if we pass air tight laws governing the use of the cell tower honey pots, how can this cannot be enforced? Even if all the equipment has an black box that records when and where it was used and the data that is collected, the tech is already "out there". This would be as fruitless as banning guns.
Regarding the info they collect, they might not be able to use the initial information they gather as evidence but once they smell something interesting, then they'll follow the rules and eventually legally obtain evidence. |
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NYC
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Re: Mr. Rigmaiden needs better expert witnesses.... This is true but would would have ALL Verizon cellphones in range connecting to the Stingray. Obviously a warrant wouldn't allow that. The PRL modification would set the target's phone to look for the Stingray (on a separate network) first and a Verizon network second. That would prevent any other Verizon user in the area of the Stingray from connecting to it. What you talk about is possible though and is done by hackers every now and again 
The biggest problem with a MITM attack on cellphones is when the target phone is connected to the rogue cell site, they cannot get any incoming calls. Outgoing calls can be routed through an alternate path but, unless Verizon gives you a connection to their switch, incoming voice, email, text will not be intercepted.
EDIT:Rogue not Rouge! Sometimes even with spell check these things happen. |
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