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Pleasant Hill, MO | Re: meh? They already said they wont, plus that would be an even worse business depression than MS doing it. Assuming MS already is. Because if they don't have it but MS does that will lead more costumers to them, if both of them have it nintendo may get more customers. | |
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Springfield, MO | Re: meh? Sony and MS are playing chicken on this once one does it the other will follow | |
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Pleasant Hill, MO | Re: meh? Sony has already said the ps4 wont have always online drm. To back out now would be suicide. | |
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join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | Re: meh? the console wont but the games will since it will need to for the 720 any way...
so you can boot up your PS4 but you wont be playing any games with out being on line any way | |
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Pleasant Hill, MO | Re: meh? If different if the games/devs choose to do it than is the company forces it on us and them. | |
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join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | Re: meh? right and Sony can say "OH our system doesnt need it we are the good guys"
when in the end its the same for both systems so why does it matter? | |
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Pleasant Hill, MO | Re: meh? Sony isn't forcing it, MS is. How is that NOT different? | |
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Springfield, MO | Re: meh? because if the games need it for the 720 they will have it for PS4 | |
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kudos:1 | Re: meh? Ah right because the games between the consoles must be 100% identical, I completely forgot about that, thanks for reminding me. | |
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join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | Re: meh? dont have to be but publishers want them to be
and they will "love" the idea of being always online IM LOOKING AT YOU EA | |
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join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | Re: meh? not the same thing
look at game like Mass Effect 3
if your not on line it turns off any DLC you have blocking you from loading any saves using that DLC
it does this on all the 3 platforms | |
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join:2011-08-15
Mississauga, ON | In exchange, PS3 game publishers seemingly created DLC with 'activation' codes to counter the fact that used game markets thrive on the PS3 more than the 360 because online play doesn't cost anything. | |
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join:2011-08-15
Mississauga, ON | Re: meh? Ah, linux support. People get pissy when they can't install linux on a closed ended system, and wouldn't rather pay 200-300 dollars to build a separate machine for the sake of a linux or better. | |
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My point was that just because they're claiming they're not going to require an always on internet connection, don't think for a moment that they won't change that later and start requiring one.
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| Sony got scared way too easily with the potential trouble a hack could cause due to Linux support.
Taking it away due to this fear was uncalled for, a rather bad move, and pissed off a lot of people. Enough, in fact, that they got badly hacked. This ended badly for everyone - gamers, and Sony.
Could somebody have maybe someday hacked the console to actually do something "bad" like play old games, yes. Could it have been adopted easily enough for others to do? I doubt it, from my understanding. It was tricky enough that the # of people who'd actually do it would be so small it's not funny.
I mean, if you really look into it, this is just insane.
An overview:
»crave.cnet.co.uk/gamesgear/ps3-l···9305364/
Sony wanted (and GOT) access to IP addresses of anyone who even LOOKED at this shit:
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hot···tation_3
Leaving internet connectivity for an Xbox on won't solve any of this silliness. It'll only piss off those who don't want their console always talking to the mothership.
I, for one, don't want my console(s) sitting there constantly phoning home if I'm playing a single player game. Despite all the hype, not everyone plays "only" online games with their consoles.
Call me old school, but I rather enjoy a normal single or two player type of game without having tons of idiots scrambling around killing each other constantly. | |
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join:2011-08-15
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| So what does linux support have to do with this thread again?
Btw, attaining linux support on a console can lead to hacking of game servers or worse, in a way, to a corporation that focuses on being profitable, is a bad idea as too much freedom can lead to a lot of messed up trouble on their end. Sony had all the reason to be afraid of a linux support. | |
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Greenville, TX | Wasn't looking into an xbox... but I really hope this isn't true. I mean come on - can't always have internet access...
Hope Sony doesn't do the same... ugh... | |
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|  Voodoo288Common Sense DictatesPremium
join:2002-08-19
Richmond, VA | Re: Wasn't looking into an xbox... According to Consumerist: "Sony has already confirmed that its upcoming PS4 console will not require an Internet connection for basic operation."
»consumerist.com/2013/04/05/next-···problem/
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Springfield, MO | Re: Wasn't looking into an xbox... doesnt mean the games wont... doesnt matter if the hardware doesnt if the games do any way | |
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Mississauga, ON | Re: Wasn't looking into an xbox... Doesn't mean the developers will bother with it, unless they want to lose heaps of their playerbase. | |
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join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | Re: Wasn't looking into an xbox... said by dra6o0n:Doesn't mean the developers will bother with it, unless they want to lose heaps of their playerbase.
you havent been playing games for the last 2 years have you
every EA game out in the last 2 years has needed to be online to play
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Spokane, WA | Basic operation meaning: buying stuff from them.... | |
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join:2001-03-25
Galt, CA | combine this with the lackluster hardware that is going to be going inside the units and the fact that there is no way on gods green earth i will ever buy anything from sony, the end result is that steam will be getting all my gaming money from now on. | |
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join:2005-12-17
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| Re: Wasn't looking into an xbox... I've been using Steam for years - and while I agree, it's nice to play a game while sitting on the couch in front of the big screen every now and then compared to a chair lol.
But eh, I'm not brand biased - I haven't owned a PS3 or Xbox in about 4 years. I've been waiting for these next gen consoles - I recently bought a Wii U. I base consoles based upon the potential games coming out. | |
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Greenville, TX | Re: Wasn't looking into an xbox... That involves me having my PC in a different room  lol | |
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»play.google.com/store/apps/detai···hd&hl=fr
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Galt, CA | you can put a decent system together for the price of the new console + 2 years XBL.
plus, you can also use it as a media center that is way more flexible than either the playstation or xbox. | |
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join:2005-12-17
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| Re: Wasn't looking into an xbox... I've considered the HTPC setup - However, with that I would also desire to build a large NAS to move all of my media to (I'd prefer 4-5TB after RAID 5) and that is part of why I haven't. Consoles, as much as I hate to say it, just work. I don't prefer them - I prefer PC. However, the consoles do have some stuff that I enjoy, mostly being ease of use (not for me, but for other people) and I prefer RPGs / racing games on consoles. | |
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join:2007-04-21
Milford, CT Reviews:
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| said by dagg:combine this with the lackluster hardware that is going to be going inside the units and the fact that there is no way on gods green earth i will ever buy anything from sony, the end result is that steam will be getting all my gaming money from now on. Yeah, it's not like Steam needs an internet connection to function. Oh wait... | |
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join:2004-07-08
united state | Re: Wasn't looking into an xbox... Yes Steam does use an internet connection, but it does have an Offline Mode.
1. Save your steam login credentials.
2. Sign into Steam and ensure your games and steam client is up to date.
3. Enable Offline Mode.
4. Close Steam and open it back up.
Your done...now you can play your Steam games without being connected to Steam or the internet for that matter.
So Steam at least has an option to be used offline in case you don't have an internet connection....seems the 720 won't even have that... | |
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join:2001-08-30
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kudos:1 | Re: Wasn't looking into an xbox... While Steam does have an offline mode, it does still need to connect every now and then. I think it needs to connect at least once every 30 days, which is much better than once every 3 minutes. | |
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join:2007-04-21
Milford, CT Reviews:
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| said by Woody79_00:Yes Steam does use an internet connection, but it does have an Offline Mode.
1. Save your steam login credentials.
2. Sign into Steam and ensure your games and steam client is up to date.
3. Enable Offline Mode.
4. Close Steam and open it back up.
Your done...now you can play your Steam games without being connected to Steam or the internet for that matter. What happens if your net connection goes down BEFORE you set all of your games to offline mode? What happens if Steam loses the license to a particular game and has to remove it? Will your copy still play even though it can't contact Valve to authorize it?
Also, why does Steam even need to be running in the first place? It's not part of the game. The Jedi Knight games are available on Steam and all of them will "require" Steam to run, despite the fact that all of those games can be had as completely stand-alone games that don't use Steam at all.
Not only that, but Steam retro-actively changes the minimum system requirements for games. Want to install Jedi Knight on an old Win98 system so that you don't run into compatibility problems? Nope, sorry, Steam won't run on 98, which means that the Steam-crippled version of Jedi Knight won't run on it either.
As I recall, there was also some issue with running expansion packs or mods for some games, if the games were bought through Steam, but the expansions were the original retail release, or the mods were written for the non-steam version of the game. | |
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join:2004-07-08
united state | Re: Wasn't looking into an xbox... I am not saying steam is perfect. It has its own faults. However at least it does have an "offline mode" so you can authorize all your games and then play them offline. Its not perfect mind you, but at least it has that option. | |
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join:2007-04-21
Milford, CT Reviews:
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| Re: Wasn't looking into an xbox... said by Woody79_00:I am not saying steam is perfect. It has its own faults. However at least it does have an "offline mode" so you can authorize all your games and then play them offline. Its not perfect mind you, but at least it has that option. My objection to Steam is that you're still required to rely on Valve to give you permission to play the games that you supposedly own. And if Valve ever decides that you're done something to violate their terms of service, they can brick all of your Steam-crippled games in a single shot.
Also, if Steam ever goes out of business, everyone will be screwed. Yes, I know they've said that they would release some kind of a patch if that happens, but unless they're willing to put that in writing, it's just an empty promise. If Valve were to go belly up, giving the programmers more work would be the last thing on anyone's mind. Besides, would they even have the legal right to remove the protection from all the third-party games that they sell?
Or maybe there might be a management shakeup that results in Steam or even the entire company being sold to someone else, like EA. If that were to happen, then the new owners would have the final say over what games are still supported and which ones get dropped. Valve would have nothing to say about it.
Anything that requires online authorization is a bad idea. And yes, that includes Windows. | |
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Portage, IN | No worries... When all the cumbersome connection requirements and DRM cause lukewarm sales, they will just blame piracy and cook up even more restrictive schemes!
And if I were a Microsoft Studios PR executive, that man would be fired on the spot. The point of PR is at least "acting" like you care about customer concerns. | |
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| | Manditory Kinect, now Manditiory Internet Connection. No Sale from this guy.
That's sad too cause I moved over to console gaming because upkeep on an up to date gaming rig was expensive.
However, I don't need to have a camera or internet to play games on a PC.
What about kids rooms?
What about people who still live in places without internet?
What happens in 10 years when they shut those Authentication servers down? | |
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join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | Why is it every time Microsoft is on top They put their stupid cap on and pull shit like this? I WILL go to Sony if they pull this crap. Or maybe even Ouya.
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Chesterfield, MO | Re: Why is it every time Microsoft is on top Yeah.... it's like a bean counter or micro manager keeps putting Crazy glue in the holster. | |
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Don't buy Ouya, lol. Or at least wait for more reviews, initial ones claim it is terrible.
Well if $ony does the same in PS4 (even though they claim they will not) this could push more people on to PC.
I will not shed a tear for any company that requires intrusive crap like this. I will be more than glad if EA, Blizz-Activision, Ubisoft and any other company that pushed these draconian DRM system to go out of business. They have lost touch with their customers when they started to gobble up companies left and right and turned into a typical monopoly minded corporations with mindless cookie-cutter games every year. | |
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The ISPs want caps.
The content companies don't want caps, but they don't really care if they can get you to buy their stuff anyway.
We just need to NOT support this type of behavior, but I feel that many of the lemmings will just consume whatever, however it is given to them without a fight. | |
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join:2010-10-16
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| The digital divide is coming to a game console near you They'll alienate gamers who live in rural areas that are stuck on dial-up or rely on capped satellite or cellular connections.
There ARE people that don't have access to broadband.
I find ethical issues with used games where big retailers pocket the money and the developer/publisher does not receive any compensation from the sale of used games. I always buy my games new. Same with music, I believe the artists should receive compensation as bands like Green Day and Mumford & Sons don't work for free.
If they want an "always on" connection for copy protection, they should put a phone jack on the consoles as the only wired Internet for many is a phone line or sell an attachment that connects to a phone line. DirecTV understands the needs of rural users (as many of their customers live in the country) and my new Genie has both a phone connection and a broadband connection. They use this for content protection so if you have more than one receiver, they can make sure that both are at your house and the other one is not at a friend's house.
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More reason to avoid them like the cancer that they are. | |
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| Re: MS Has always Been Smug said by itguy05:More smug than Apple at times.
More reason to avoid them like the cancer that they are.
I had an oddly gleeful reaction when Microsoft Flight was sabotaged from the inside and (EDIT) imploded as I predicted. Maybe it will happen here too.
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| MS trying to kill themselves? Seriously, windows 8 failed. Win 8 tablet & phones had lackluster sales, now they will do this to xbox next? Games for windows live is a joke. Are they trying to go out of business? Seems like they are going to have to pull an apple and get the right leader back at the helm, get bill gates in here.
These companies have to stop putting retarded CEO's at the top who have no clue what the general public like and don't like. All these CEO's these days can only think of "schemes" to try and nickle and dime the public. | |
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join:2003-03-11
Boulder Creek, CA | Re: MS trying to kill themselves? It doesn't matter what the company does. I have seen grocery stores do the same thing. They don't want to give the consumer what they want. They want the consumer to buy what they are selling. | |
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| | Won't be buying if this is true If any of this is true, then I won't be buying the next console, plain and simple. I currently own a 360 and over 60 titles; make videos, post in the forums, play in events, beta test - all that won't bring me back if this "always connected" BS passes.
...I don't understand why more people can't "vote with their wallet" If you wait, and don't get "the thing" the minute it first comes out (and is defective) upper management will see that sales are so dismal and they will "do a 360" and fix it - then you can buy it. Simple.
Sadly SimCity Co. are still laughing all the way to the bank, nobody had the self control to hold back and wait for the game to be made non-defective before purchasing.
Think of it this way - the release date is not the release date any longer. Wait until the company makes it the way consumers want, then that's the new release date for everyone to go out and buy it! | |
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| | Blocking used games and an always on connection... Would simply mean a free present to Sony and Nintendo. | |
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join:2009-07-06
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kudos:1 | Re: Blocking used games and an always on connection... said by Metatron2008:Would simply mean a free present to Sony and Nintendo.
I think this is true, which makes it really hard for me to believe they could actually be seriously considering this. Can they be this out of touch? The silence from Microsoft is troubling, though. You'd think they'd be falling all over themselves to refute it.
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| | Bad business decision Does Microsoft not realize there are a whole lot of people without broadband internet or with pseudo-broadband (capped wireless and satellite) who don't live in the sticks? I live in a middle class subdivision half hour from a major metropolis and we don't have cable or dsl because I'm 1 mile off the main road. I'm luckily grandfathered in on unlimited wireless but most people aren't. Not everyone in the US lives in Kansas City or Chattanooga. If Sony is not following suit, this will give them a big marketing advantage as well as for Nintendo (even if they have awful marketing overall). I will keep enjoying my Super Nintendo games and playing older editions of SimCity which don't require an online connection. Some games are made to play online like your average FPS or RTS but even most of those at least have a single player campaign mode if the internet is down. | |
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»www.counterpunch.org/2013/04/05/···ssible/?
"Few Americans know just how poor their service really is. As of April 2012, one-third (33%) of American adults could not access some form of broadband connection from their home, whether via DSL, cable or fiber line or via a wireless service. Akami ranks the U.S. 13th in terms of download data speed. This is not only behind such super-fast countries like South Korea and Japan, but Latvia and Romania as well."
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Germantown, MD | Connectivity So maybe MS will pay for everyone to have Broadband? | |
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In a few decades when you bust these machines out to hand them off to your kids, nephews or grand kids you don't want to see them just sit there displaying "Unable to contact server..." | |
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join:2007-04-21
Milford, CT Reviews:
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| Re: Forever? said by paulcarlucci:In a few decades when you bust these machines out to hand them off to your kids, nephews or grand kids you don't want to see them just sit there displaying "Unable to contact server..." That's exactly what's going to happen. And what do you think is going to happen with all the games that make half the game DLC. Where are you going to download it from after the company stops supporting it? | |
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| | MS Sucks They have done things their way with no option to configure to fit your needs. They will keep doing this until sales drop. Why is this a surprise? Don't by MS products. Problem solved. | |
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join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA | Since I got my first Xbox 360s... in 2005, I've always had an active internet connection with them when they were being used. So with the new Xbox this will be no different for me. It certainly will not affect my use. | |
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|  Duramax08Win8 sucksPremium
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| Re: Since I got my first Xbox 360s... But most likely with the new xbox, you wont be able to sell your old games. They want you to be online all the time to connect to some licensing server for your game. No internet? No gaming. It will also make it impossible lending out your games to friends.
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| Re: Since I got my first Xbox 360s... said by Duramax08:But most likely with the new xbox, you wont be able to sell your old games. They want you to be online all the time to connect to some licensing server for your game. No internet? No gaming. It will also make it impossible lending out your games to friends.
Then they can just do something like EA, and charge a fee for the person with the used game to be able to use it. | |
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join:2008-08-03
San Antonio, TX | Re: Since I got my first Xbox 360s... Thats the next thing we need, more fee's. | |
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No fee unless you're buying it used. And if you're buying it used you certainly didn't pay $60 for it like the original owner. | |
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join:2007-04-21
Milford, CT Reviews:
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| It's going to happen... Maybe it won't be with the PS4 or the Xbox 720, but consoles requiring an always on internet connection WILL happen. There's too much obsession around copyright and control for it not to happen at some point.
And the sad part is that the majority of the world doesn't care that they're handing control of their systems over to the corporations who created them. People already don't care that there's not really an easy way to archive iOS apps and games, or that Apple can delete whatever it wants off your device. Sure, when it happens, there's a small burst of bad PR and then people forget about it and go right back to buying the same locked down crap.
People today don't even bother saving the installers for the stuff they put on their computers. "Oh, I'll just download it again if I need to..."
Very few people care about the future, they only care about right now. | |
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| | Oh the FUD FUD!
FUD FUD FUD!
WTFC?
until the unit is in the marketplace, this is all speculative fear, uncertainty and doubt.
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