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Comments on news posted 2013-04-19 08:47:56: Comcast continues to lead the telecom industry push toward IPv6 while many broadband providers nap. ..

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IowaCowboy
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Mine is still ipv4

Mine is still ipv4.


PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD

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IPv6 Router Comptability

The problem is many consumer routers do not support IPv6. Even those who pfSense, like myself, don't have IPv6 compatibility out the box.

To that point, many devices which support third-party firmware such as DD-WRT and Tomato lack the necessary ROM space to support IPv6.

weaver

join:2001-12-13
Alexandria, VA
reply to IowaCowboy

Re: Mine is still ipv4

I'm one of the 3%. I have a Motorola SB6121, which I own. It went IPV6 when it got a firmware update, maybe a month ago. One of the reasons I bought it was IPV6 compatibility.


axiomatic

join:2006-08-23
Tomball, TX

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IPV6

I am using IPV6 with pfsense in my house. PLEX can use it and so can all my devices that use PLEX but alas Comcast Houston has not deployed it yet. I really have no reason to use it at this point though, more just to learn it.


IowaCowboy
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reply to weaver

Re: Mine is still ipv4

I have a 6120 and an Apple AirPort Extreme router.

doofoo

join:2002-01-21
Upper Marlboro, MD

Business Class Static IP Customer

Still IPv4 only.. Way to go Comcast!


AnonMe

@comcastbusiness.net

Who are the 3%?

Given the lack of CPE support, does that roughly 3% of Comcast's customers have their computers plugged directly into their cable modems with no router or device in between?


silentlooker
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IPv6 is not needed

There is currently no need for IPv6 and it will be years if not longer before there is any need. This is being pushed by company's that make computer hardware such as routers.

Happydude32
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reply to AnonMe

Re: Who are the 3%?

Every single current model from Linksys is IPv6 Enabled. From their barebones basic $40 router to their $200 AC router, all 7 models are compatible.


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reply to silentlooker

Re: IPv6 is not needed

So why not just start now anyway?
Why does IPv6 have to be pushed back even further than it should have been implemented?

I say IPv6 is 'needed' but not required right now.

Support for it is important, otherwise we'll never get away from IPv4 as the mainstream protocol (IPv4 will likely always be around in some capacity).

An effort should be made to educate the mainstream consumer about the new IPv6 protocol. Right now, I highly doubt anyone who is computer non-technical knows anything about IPv6 or IPv4.

coreyography
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Clute, TX
Why not? Security, or potential lack thereof.

IPv6 is a protocol whose security weaknesses really haven't been tested on a widespread basis. I think I'll wait awhile to switch (as in, when I'm forced by my ISP, maybe in 5 or 10 years) and let the first few hundred million pioneers take the arrows in the back.

That, and the fact I have to run dual-stack or one of the other hack transition mechanisms to get to the entire Internet. Not worth my time and worry.

34764170

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Etobicoke, ON

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reply to PapaMidnight

Re: IPv6 Router Comptability

said by PapaMidnight:

The problem is many consumer routers do not support IPv6. Even those who pfSense, like myself, don't have IPv6 compatibility out the box.

To that point, many devices which support third-party firmware such as DD-WRT and Tomato lack the necessary ROM space to support IPv6.

More or less every router from the major brands out of the box supports IPv6 now and a lot of the older stuff has firmware upgrades to add support too. pfSense has IPv6 support with their 2.1 release.

Hardware that does not have the ROM space is already at the end of its lifespan or has already passed it. Hardware will be replaced over time with refreshes.

The idea is to roll it out on the network side and have more and more users become v6 enabled as time goes on and that will happen.

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
reply to IowaCowboy

Re: Mine is still ipv4

said by IowaCowboy:

Mine is still ipv4.

You're in an area being serviced by Cisco CMTS'. That will be v6 enabled later in the year once Comcast rolls out newer firmware for their CMTS'.


IowaCowboy
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said by 34764170:

said by IowaCowboy:

Mine is still ipv4.

You're in an area being serviced by Cisco CMTS'. That will be v6 enabled later in the year once Comcast rolls out newer firmware for their CMTS'.

Our area is a Motorola area in terms of set-tops.
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34764170

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Etobicoke, ON

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reply to AnonMe

Re: Who are the 3%?

said by AnonMe :

Given the lack of CPE support, does that roughly 3% of Comcast's customers have their computers plugged directly into their cable modems with no router or device in between?

There is not a lack of CPE support. Almost every router from the major brands has v6 support out of the box now and most of the routers sold over the last 2-3 years has newer firmware with v6 support. ISPs will be rolling out firmware upgrades for their own provided CPE as Comcat has/will be doing.

34764170

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reply to IowaCowboy

Re: Mine is still ipv4

said by IowaCowboy:

Our area is a Motorola area in terms of set-tops.

The set-tops in use are not what matters. A lot of MSOs use multiple set-top vendors just as they use multiple modem / gateway vendors. The CMTS vendor is what matters.

34764170

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Etobicoke, ON

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reply to silentlooker

Re: IPv6 is not needed

said by silentlooker:

There is currently no need for IPv6 and it will be years if not longer before there is any need. This is being pushed by company's that make computer hardware such as routers.

Nonsense. 2 of the 4 RIRs have already run out of IPv4 address space and the remaining 2 will be out fairly soon. You don't just flip a switch and expect 100% of the Internet to be enabled over night.


PapaMidnight

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Baltimore, MD

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reply to 34764170

Re: IPv6 Router Comptability

2.1 is not presently stable; and while it is possible that those devices have reached their EoL, many a consumer likely recently (within the past two years) purchased a Wireless-N consumer router with no IPv6 support.

I also doubt that the average consumer knows what IPv6 (or v4 for that matter) even is. To them, they have perfectly functional devices with no incentive to upgrade.

Since these have ben EoL'd, there is no further development of firmware either by the first party (and these routers, more often than not, do not support an IPv6 capable version of dd-wrt or tomato); and I'm certainly not going to try to tell the average internet user how to switch over to DD-WRT, or convince them they need to spend money preliminarily with a new wifi spec on the horizon and their device is still operational.

Therefore, while it indeed may be the case that newer routers are available with IPv6, the sheer proliferation of IPv4 devices that lack IPv6 support (many of which are still stocked, priced low, and more likely for a consumer to buy at $49.99 than a new model at $89.99) makes deployment en mass difficult without direct ISP intervention or a concerted effort from device manufacturers to deploy firmware updates to older devices (Especially Linksys whose older firmware is riddled with known security holes that remain unpatched).

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
You just ignored most of what I said and kept blabbering on.


PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD
Actually, I addressed every single point. I also provided real-world rationale for why your reasoning is not effective.

You chose to see it as a tl;dr and consider it "blabbering" - but to each their own.


PapaMidnight

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reply to silentlooker

Re: IPv6 is not needed

said by silentlooker:

There is currently no need for IPv6 and it will be years if not longer before there is any need.

This could not be further from the truth.

As brad has mentioned, APNIC is reassigning /8 level addresses to mitigate the fact that all other blocks have been exhausted, RIPE ran out of available address to allocate in September last year, and ARIN is taking steps for mitigation at this moment.

dwk789

join:2009-01-21
Murfreesboro, TN
So perhaps someone can answer a question I have always had about the IPv4/IPv6 transition. Can you not route between the two? How does that work? My thought is if the internet goes all IPv6 can't I still run a private IPv4 network on my side of my internet connection? Won't it continue to just work fine? That being the case do I really ever need IPv6 on my network or replace or upgrade my current equipment? I just ask this as I don't know these answers to these questions and maybe someone can explain how the routing between the two works?


skeechan
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reply to 34764170
And how many of those blocks are actually being used rather than hoarded?
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said by skeechan:

And how many of those blocks are actually being used rather than hoarded?

Even if they were returned/sold, how long would that last?
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skeechan
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A long time. It is certainly taking long enough for this supposed end of the Internet world that has been going on for years now.
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jjmb

join:2009-12-01
USA
reply to PapaMidnight

Re: IPv6 Router Comptability

I worked with pfSense a while ago, they should have a version that supports IPv6 and has been informally tested on the Comcast network.

John


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reply to skeechan

Re: IPv6 is not needed

said by skeechan:

A long time. It is certainly taking long enough for this supposed end of the Internet world that has been going on for years now.

How long is that long time?

Thanks
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jjmb

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reply to AnonMe

Re: Who are the 3%?

The 3% is a pretty even split between standalone computers and routers that support IPv6. There is a shift we are seeing however, meaning more routers appearing compared to standalone computers.

John


skeechan
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Re: IPv6 is not needed

Years.


anon ipv6

@rcn.com
reply to skeechan
said by skeechan:

And how many of those blocks are actually being used rather than hoarded?

And how many are being used internally?

For example, at my work place.
Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation.  All rights reserved.
 
C:\Users\user-name>ipconfig /all
 
Windows IP Configuration
 
   Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : host-name
   Primary Dns Suffix  . . . . . . . : phi.org
   Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
   IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
   WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
   DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : phi.org
                                       appdev.dom
                                       cltest.dom
                                       ctxdc.dom
                                       messaging.dom
                                       prelude.dom
                                       test.dom
                                       host.dom
 
Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
 
   Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . : phi.org
   Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) 82567V-4 Gigabit Network Connect
ion
   Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 2C-27-D7-**-**-**
   DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
   Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
   IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.10.6.74(Preferred)
   Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
   Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Saturday, April 20, 2013 7:03:26 AM
   Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Friday, April 26, 2013 7:03:26 AM
   Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.10.6.1
   DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.10.6.1
   DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.17.254.11
                                       10.17.254.21
   NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled
 
C:\Users\user-name>
 

192.10.6.1 is not NAT and yet it is used internally...