westdc join:2009-01-25 Amissville, VA
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westdc
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2013-May-8 9:26 am
Fines =TaxA Democrat knows no Difference just "free Money to steal. |
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StuartMW
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2013-May-8 9:29 am
Par for the courseBTW I don't think it matters which political party is in power in regards to this stuff. Both sides want the ability to listen in on everything.
In public both say
• It's to protect the children.
• It's to protect us from terrorists.
Of course the real reason is to increase gummint power. The irony is that the 3-letter agencies listen to Congresscritters just as much as the rest of us.
When you allow agencies to know everything about everyone bad things are going to happen and sooner rather than later.
. o O (Has anyone learned the lesson of Hoover etc. Imagine him with today's capabilities) |
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amungus Premium Member join:2004-11-26 America
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Re: Fines =TaxNeither party gives two shits, let alone one.
"Concealed within his fortress, the lord of Mordor sees all. His gaze pierces cloud, shadow, earth, and flesh. You know of what I speak, Gandalf: a great Eye, lidless, wreathed in flame." Saruman |
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n0ym join:2004-12-21 Montgomery Village, MD |
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2013-May-8 9:40 am
If a judge is involved, fineThat's the way the system is supposed to work: warrants/court orders. |
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easoninRock Ridge, FL join:2008-07-08 |
A m e r i c a ! ! !Fuck Yeah!!! |
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I could be all for thisIF there were fines and prison terms for the "Law Enforcement" and "Intelligence" people who abuse it that are actually enforced. It's time for "selective" enforcement of the law to end in this country. The Constitution mentions no "privileged class". |
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Re: If a judge is involved, fineThis is like paying extra to have locks on your doors that the government can open with a master key, it's not even close to how the "system is supposed to work" |
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Re: A m e r i c a ! ! !+1 |
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2013-May-8 10:22 am
Welcome to the 4th ReichDoes anyone else see a re-occurring theme here? Same tactics (different technologies) were used by the Gestapo to subdue and neutralize the ability of the German population to react to the government. Our esteemed Congress, President and Supreme Court are rapidly turning into nothing but worthless pretenders who have illegally gutted our Constitution and our rule of law. Yes there are bad people out there and yes we need some way of keeping them at bay but at what price? Guilty until proven innocent, no recourse to government search and seizure, no trial by peers no due process, questionable incarcerations, collateral deaths are considered acceptable. Encrypted messages are NOT illegal (yet) and unless there is a warrant with a genuine reason issued then stay out of my private life. I personally have never sent an encrypted message(no reason to but this may change with the Federal government tactics) |
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Re: A m e r i c a ! ! !Comin' in to save the Mutha F**kin' Day Yeah! Great Movie. Big Brother is making me tired. Dave |
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Re: I could be all for thisGovernment doesn't pay attention to the constitution anymore.. |
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Anon
2013-May-8 12:49 pm
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Re: Fines =TaxObama is such a disappointment. At least Bush/Cheney punched you in the face and took your rights. This guy gives you some flowery speech and stabs you in the back. |
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Re: Welcome to the 4th ReichThe same trend seems to be active in many countries. Maybe the Arab Spring and the London riots created some panic amongst the elites? Guess we won't really know what is going on until it has already happened |
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Lark3po Premium Member join:2003-08-05 Madison, AL |
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^^^Godwin's Law proved right once again... :P Edit: Not disagreeing with anything you typed just adding a little humor to a very sad thread. |
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n2jtx join:2001-01-13 Glen Head, NY |
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Re: Fines =Taxsaid by westdc:A Democrat knows no Difference just "free Money to steal. Neither the Democrat's or Republican's give a hoot about the people. Just look at what six years of Republican rule brought us from 2001 to 2007 and two years of Democrat rule from 2009 to 2011. We lose no matter who is running the show. Better to have the mess we have now with split government. |
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FFH5 Premium Member join:2002-03-03 Tavistock NJ |
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2013-May-8 12:00 pm
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Re: If a judge is involved, finesaid by n0ym:That's the way the system is supposed to work: warrants/court orders. And the law mandating ability to tap conversations is many years old. The telcos just ignored the law. If they won't comply fine the hell out of them. |
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axus join:2001-06-18 Washington, DC |
axus
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2013-May-8 12:00 pm
Government should pay for thisThe government should pay for the consultants and hardware required to make their spying happen. This proposal reminds me of China executing political dissidents with a firing squad, and sending their family the bill for the bullets. |
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Please Help me to UnderstandOK, if a service claims to be "encrypted", then how does one create a "backdoor" so the demonic government can analyze the data? Isn't this a contradiction? I thought once data was encrypted (assuming the encryption has not been broken which as I understand it is highly unlikely) then the data would be undecipherable, therefore making a backdoor would not be feasible. For example, take a workstation that has been encrypted with PGP Whole Disk Encryption. Does the government have a backdoor to decrypt the hard drive and read the contents? Am I mixing apples and oranges here??? Come on encryption gurus, help me to understand this concept. |
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CALEA does not apply to information servicesCALEA is for tapping signal and or data channels of subscribers. The legislation *explicitly* declared "information services" such as web sites and messaging providers to be out of scope of CALEA.
It is quite amusing to now hear this being spun as some sort of compliance issue rather than what it is... a breathtaking new grant of authority.
The answer to 1984 is RFC 1984. |
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2013-May-8 12:49 pm
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Re: Please Help me to UnderstandNo guru here just thinking, you wan't necessarily have to break encryption to have a "backdoor". |
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reminds me of V for Vendetta subject matter |
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atuarreHere come the drums Premium Member join:2004-02-14 EC/SETX SWLA |
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Re: Par for the coursesaid by StuartMW:BTW I don't think it matters which political party is in power in regards to this stuff. Both sides want the ability to listen in on everything.
In public both say
• It's to protect the children.
• It's to protect us from terrorists.
Of course the real reason is to increase gummint power. The irony is that the 3-letter agencies listen to Congresscritters just as much as the rest of us.
When you allow agencies to know everything about everyone bad things are going to happen and sooner rather than later.
. o O (Has anyone learned the lesson of Hoover etc. Imagine him with today's capabilities) Nah. I doubt they are listening to members of congress. |
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NOCTech75 Premium Member join:2009-06-29 Marietta, GA
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Re: Fines =TaxMy only issue with Obama and his game of continuing nearly every police he pontificated about was he stated more then once he was going to change how Washington did business. When he started making those promises... it's on him now. |
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Re: Please Help me to UnderstandPlease explain how you would do this. Because if encryption has a "backdoor", then in my opinion one cannot call it encryption or am I'm completely wrong in my understanding of encryption. |
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joako Premium Member join:2000-09-07 /dev/null |
joako
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2013-May-8 1:29 pm
It can be encrypted all you want but the question is do you and only you control the encryption keys? Otherwise it's worthless. Many services do encrypt but also keep the keys for your convenience. |
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Oh_NoTrogglus normalus join:2011-05-21 Chicago, IL |
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2013-May-8 1:39 pm
Email should never have a backdoorNo way should any government order give access to email. Just because new technology can log things does not mean things should be logged. These anti-privacy laws are just going to destroy the "server" market in the US as companies and end users will want to use servers in countries with privacy laws. Why would anyone want to use US companies and servers when they know their data wont be private??
When it comes to new technology, the laws need to mandated that no logs are kept and that no logs can be used against someone. The same goes for email. The end user should have 100% control over who can access their logs and records that tie to their name or any identifying information.
Pre-email you would have a stack of paper that you could burn or lock in a safe and no court could ever find it or get it unless it was stolen from you. Email laws need to keep the same level of privacy making the end users the 100% owner of all logs and records of emails and only going through the end user can those records be accessed. So if the end user does not give up the records then no one should be allowed to use them.
All they are doing with this BS is forcing people to run their own web and email servers or use web an email servers in other countries with protections. |
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Re: If a judge is involved, finesaid by n0ym:That's the way the system is supposed to work: warrants/court orders. No way. No company should be keeping any kind of identifying logs of their customers. The end user customer should have 100% control of any identifying logs, records, saved emails. The only way a court should be able to get these records is GOING THROUGH the end user only. Gaining access to someones private logs, records, and saved emails is like making someone testify against themselves. It is against the 5th Amendment of the constitution for self incrimination. |
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Re: Government should pay for thisDoesn't really make much difference whether customers or taxpayers have to pay to be spied on |
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Re: Fines =TaxObama was against it before he was for it. |
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kevinds Premium Member join:2003-05-01 Calgary, AB |
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Re: Please Help me to UnderstandIt is still encypted, but there would be two or more keys,
Your key that you use, and one or more backdoor keys that work too. |
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