Comments on news posted 2013-05-08 16:36:08: In June of 2010, the city of San Francisco approved a new law requiring that all wireless phone retailers post the radiation emission levels for all cellphones right next to the price. ..
While I honestly don't care much about the fact that these cell phone warning got dismissed, because the science on cell phone radiation doesn't really show a reason for major concern, in my opinion. Also it even more inadequately shows that the small differences in SAR values on different phones makes any difference, which mean that people would could possibly actually get a false sense of security and crappy reception by picking low SAR value phones.
But the legal argument, corporations are people so it's an infringement to their legal rights to have to tell customer's the potentials risks of their product, is a very very scary legal precedent.
A corporation is just a group of people who have come together for a common cause. That cause may range from the profit motive (Verizon Wireless) to political advocacy (the ACLU or NRA). It seems silly to think that humans have free speech on an individual basis but not when they come together in a group to advance a common purpose.
Since the Sun is certainly a huge source of radiation and cancer and that isn't up to scientific dispute the smelly hippies should be demanding stickers on the inside of every door leading out.
Tell that to a newspaper corporation that without that right has no 1st amendment protection. Individual reporters would, but not the news corporation like CBS or the NYT.
If you want to deal with corporations and political corruption, make it a capital crime for any politician to vote on or propose a bill where there is a conflict of interest (such as a political contribution). IOW, effectively outlaw lobbying from receiving side. Corporations and special interests can try and bribe all they want, but no one would take the money.
I agree that treating a corporation as a never-dying person is bad precedent, but it's been that way for hundreds of years. So, not a new precedent.
This law should be easy to comply with, they don't have to put it on their advertising. There's not thousands of those places in San Francisco.
I agree it's a stupid requirement, but I don't think it's an illegal requirement. Does this mean that fast-food places can stop listing the calories next to each meal?
Who wouldn't want to know which phone puts out better signal?
Corporations are considered people since when? I bet when they get in trouble, it will want to be that faceless corporation again.
Corporations became people once enough 'poor' idiots believed what the Rich people told them to believe.
Of course some Rightwing Judges ignoring that to call a corporation a person, that the corporation should be sent to prison for years for breaking the laws that the rest of the little people have to abide by on a daily basis.
But how to put a corporation in prison??? Hmmm. By closing the company down for the time that the prison term is mandated for. And restricting its hours of operation to 2 hours a day during the appeal process and no out of State commerce.
That should get rid of many corrupt corporations and especially those schools in the U.S. Red Zone that send little kids(students) to jail for violation of the "do as you are damned told too law" to keep the private prisons at their contractual 95% occupancy rates.
One law for all and all laws for those who can't afford to bribe Judges and DA's. A multi-tiered law system is considered to be discrimination when a corporations executives avoid punishment by paying bribes while regular people go to prison.
Since the Sun is certainly a huge source of radiation and cancer and that isn't up to scientific dispute the smelly hippies should be demanding stickers on the inside of every door leading out.
Post this on every door in San Fran leading to outside:
Psst.... smoking pot causes lung cancer, but don't tell the whackamoles in SF or they'd have to have gigantic labels on the baggies.
Does smoking Marijuana cause cancer? Science is still researching and the answer at this time is 'No'.
Meanwhile people destroy their bodies and kill other people from drinking alcohol or binging on pharmaceuticals. The 'bribe the red government' departments of the alcohol and pharmaceuticals industry love to spread derp to keep their profits up.
Coming up next on the show: A 5 year old murders a 2 year old sibling with the rifle the 5 year old owns. Local police call it playtime gone wrong and no charges to file.
Psst.... smoking pot causes lung cancer, but don't tell the whackamoles in SF or they'd have to have gigantic labels on the baggies.
Does smoking Marijuana cause cancer? Science is still researching and the answer at this time is 'No'.
Meanwhile people destroy their bodies and kill other people from drinking alcohol or binging on pharmaceuticals. The 'bribe the red government' departments of the alcohol and pharmaceuticals industry love to spread derp to keep their profits up.
Coming up next on the show: A 5 year old murders a 2 year old sibling with the rifle the 5 year old owns. Local police call it playtime gone wrong and no charges to file.
They just want to deride this topic into conspiracies and non facts by making a smart ass quip about a common product that is dangerous and equate the dangers of that to the "smoke" rather than all the added chemicals to the tobacco.
They also started out the comments with a distraction referencing Karl and politics and giving the image that the majority here are against him.
Not that you need this explained, it's just that I don't let stupid stand on it's own and this was a good place to reply. (which will probably get secretly whined about and disappear overnight with a virtual wink and nod).
And wireless is "probably" "safe" so you'll "probably" only get a "little" cancer someday from "something" that happens to be severely underfunded for scientific research like most other highly profitable things.
Yeah, imagine what else it could be applied to. I'm scared to even make a list in my head! That is one bad precedent to set. They should have just forced SF to stop doing it on the grounds that the claims are absurd.
Also, how is that free speech? Forcing someone to disclose a fact about something isn't infringing on their free speech.
Unlike wireless, there actually is evidence that smoking weed can cause cancer in addition to making you REALLY stupid.
What we need to do is put warning stickers on all the smelly California hippies that are destroying the state. They are hazardous to everyone with a brain.
quote:Three weeks ago, in a decision all but lost in the tumult over the Supreme Court's ruling on the Affordable Care Act, the Justices overturned a century-old Montana law that prohibited corporate spending in that state's elections.
Cell phones causing cancer is junk science just like Vaccines and Autism which was also proven junk science.
Cell phones have been mainstream for about 10 years and their is no cancer pandemic involving brain tumors.
There are other substances that are much more dangerous like Tobacco, Asbestos, Lead, and even the sun.
They should crack down on tanning salons and tobacco before cracking down on cell phones. And police radios put out more RF energy than cell phones and cops are not getting cancer at a higher rate than civilians other than skin cancer from directing traffic at construction sites. The biggest hazard to cops are domestic disturbance calls (we lost a cop last year while he was responding to a domestic).
I'll continue using my cell phone until the surgeon general finds them unsafe, then I may consider going back to pay phones.
Yeah, the Schoolhouse Rock version of corporate personhood.
All those thousands of shell corporations, each endowed with full rights of personhood, consisting of one lawyer and as few as one other person. Two people, a thousand "persons".
Prison?? I would just execute them! Revoke their state charter and bar their directors from starting new businesses or sitting on the boards of others.
If shareholders want to be considered 'owners' then they should share in the liability. That would certainly encourage responsible investing!
Tell that to a newspaper corporation that without that right has no 1st amendment protection. Individual reporters would, but not the news corporation like CBS or the NYT.
Why would they really need it? Any particular story would already be covered under the 1st amendment rights of the author(s). A newspaper doesn't have a voice, only the people who write through it.
It is similar to the idea that the Internet needs free speech rights because people post things there or BBR needs free speech rights for its news posts. Without people behind the posts (who already have these rights) there simply are no posts. Should BBR or my ISP be held liable for slander I posted here? Of course not... the media is just a mechanism; the voice is mine.
I highly agree on the corruption issue though, I see it as the root of most of our problems today.
Also, how is that free speech? Forcing someone to disclose a fact about something isn't infringing on their free speech.
Of course it is. Forcing someone to say something they don't want to say is just as bad as not allowing the person to say something they do want to say. It's two sides of one coin.
Well, AT&T likely has ONE BIG TOWER that covers the entire area. I'm told it's the Sutro tower. As you get further from the tower, the SAR goes up.
Also, Cellular companies have different limits than PCS. This would mean an astute customer, would likely decide to purchase a PCS-band handset. I think the wattage itself is 1.0Watt vs. .8Watt.
Even if cellphones did cause cancer and kill you, no one would care.
Look at the tobacco industry. Children are educated from an early age that cigarettes kill you. They're shown black lungs, they get to watch their out-of-breath peers. Doesn't stop them from buying them illegally off bootleggers operating out of bathroom stalls on lunchbreak.
If you can't pry a disgusting $350+/mo habit out of someone's hand, you're not going to get a $50/mo device that revolutionized modern communications out of their hand because of half assed studies that are not widely accepted as truth.