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Nothing like giving them what they deserve. A slap on the wrist is par for the course. Happy they didn't do anything substantial.
Pure speculation. Karl, when you have actual documents in hand that can specifically address these "billions" of minutes with an exact amount, then you are more than welcome to make those accusations. While I have no love lost for AT&T or any national carrier, your article (as more often than not) in this case is pure speculation and total sensationalism. Nothing more.
Re: Pure speculation. "Also, the article doesn't even mention that IP Relay has been used for prank calls for several decades."
I do not, have not, and will not work for AT&T/Comcast/Verizon/Charter or similar sized company.
Re: Pure speculation. How much of that "foreign" traffic was US prankers using intl VPN's
| |said by FFH:Yeah, said by Mojo 77 :
Oh FFS. Only this website would have boobs come out defending AT&T for abusing a system used to help the elderly and hard of hearing.
IP Relay has been abused for decades. As the article notes, you should be able to do the math at $1.50 per minute subsidies with a decade or two of abuse, when 80-90% of all IP relay traffic is fraud. Do the math.
It isn't defending AT&T to question the amount of fraud minutes claimed by Karl. Until he can find stats showing how many IP Relay minutes were used and how much was fradulent, the total amount of loss is speculation.
I love stats to but I'm not such a blind nit wit that I can't see that no matter what the actual stats may be, we all know how true this is and the fact the FCC did absolutely nothing about it just proves that office needs to be eliminated! Just as AT&T and Verizon, just to mention a couple, need to be also!
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Re: Pure speculation.
The article simply speculates we could be talking billions, with $1.50 per minute and ten to fifteen years of abuse (not to mention prank calls). I think that's entirely within the realm of possibility and not "sensational." What's "sensational" is that it took ten to fifteen years for the government to do anything about it.
I completely agree that if/with no audit, than the fine is mostly a hollow victory. But let's be honest, without that audit saying "billions" it no more relevant than saying "tens". It only serves to make things potentially more sensational than they are.
It's very, very unlikely you'll see either the DOJ or FBI pursue an audit, based on historical cases like this. I bet if you did a real audit of any incumbent telco's coffers over the last thirty years, you'd find a hell of a lot worse than a billion in IP relay fraud.
prison for fraud Until the day that the executives of these corporations get put in prison for their obvious fraud, ripping off the people for billions of dollars is nothing but a misdemeanor(as shown by the tiny fine)
And that also goes for those people that bribe the government, along with those politicians who accept the bribes.
Lobbying = Bribery
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Re: "(IP Relay was first established in 1974)" ??
said by josephf:And the Gov't rules weren't changed until 2008. If they had tried to limit access to the relay service before that, I wonder how much of a fine they would have faced.
TRS may have been established in 1974, but IP Relay (which the scammers use from overseas) is much more recent. IP Relay is the Internet version of TRS. Established after 2000.
$1.50 a min? Looks like its time to make an adjustment to the subsidy. It can cost the carrier more than a few pennies per min.
Re: $1.50 a min? I think they are paying a person to translate the message. I can see how it's expensive, though $0.50 per minute should be plenty. If it's done with computer voice, it should be much cheaper.
Re: $1.50 a min?
said by axus:The relay operator is always a human, never software. The service would be impossible to use if it was software due to accents, bad/noisy landline phone or bitrobbed mobiles, asking the RO if they reached a male or female on the other end, etc.
I think they are paying a person to translate the message. I can see how it's expensive, though $0.50 per minute should be plenty. If it's done with computer voice, it should be much cheaper.
Re: $1.50 a min? That make more sense. I figured it was a machine translation.
That slap on the wrist must sting.... ...perhaps half the 600mhz offering in the next wireless auction and a lollipop will make them feel better?
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Outgoing should not be allowed to join any person or group that is a registered lobbyist for a regional, state or federal person, or group, for at least 10 years after departure from FCC.
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