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Comments on news posted 2013-05-14 09:18:21: The Justice Department is under fire for obtaining two months of telephone records for twenty different lines used by reporters and editors for The Associated Press. Said data included phone numbers, names, calls made, and potentially call duration. ..

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Hazy Arc

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Greenwood, SC

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First the IRS Debacle, and Now This?

What country am I living in?


ropeguru
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Funny....

How this kind of news is never reported in the MSM until it hapens to them...

bnceo

join:2007-10-11
Bel Air, MD

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More Bothered By Obama comment now

It is our job as American citizens to hold our government responsible. And when that government fears losing and starts doing everything to protect its power, including violating the very founding documents of our land, that is when its time to revolt. And for government to "reject those voices" who speak of government tyranny, I point to this story, the IRS, AT&T/Verizon/Sprint cooperation, and more like it. Government from the get go can't be trusted by the very fact that they hold all the cards.

Below is the part of the graduation speech President Obama gave that irks me.

Unfortunately, you’ve grown up hearing voices that incessantly warn of government as nothing more than some separate, sinister entity that’s at the root of all our problems. Some of these same voices also do their best to gum up the works. They’ll warn that tyranny always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices. Because what they suggest is that our brave, and creative, and unique experiment in self-rule is somehow just a sham with which we can’t be trusted.


FFH5
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Perhaps this gobbling up of AP reporter information will result in a press that's slightly more attentive to the fact that we've got a serious problem on our hands -- and one that also impacts them

And perhaps not. Obama is untouchable by the liberal MSM. A huge change from the previous president where the press would have been demanding impeachment.
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jmn1207
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Just Us Department

The press is a significant part of the serious, bipartisan problem.

Don't we want "justice"? The only way to be sure is to monitor everything that we say and track us everywhere we go. Better start learning Mandarin, because this place is going to rip itself apart from the inside out.

ericthered26

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HA

Under Bush the headline would have been "Bush Administration Taps AP Phone Lines". Obama already got a pass on this one.


SysOp

join:2001-04-18
Douglasville, GA
reply to Hazy Arc

Re: First the IRS Debacle, and Now This?

I have yet to read any news where phone or internet logs have been used for good.

So far I've only seen where this type of power is being used for evil.


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First the IRS debacle?

More like 203rd the IRS debacle and now this.
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Gork
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Govt vs AP

Hopefully a line has been crossed and we can now make some headway with shutting this irresponsible practice down.


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The most transparent administration ever, ever


Tricky Barry
Carter II is looking more like Nixon II.
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newview
Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
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So glad ...

... the DOJ and the carriers who provide the means to spy on innocent people have finally shot themselves in the foot.

Telcogate?


mech1164
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join:2001-11-19
Lodi, NJ

Well

This is what happens when you have a government that doesn't have anything to fear. They start small but as they see people who should be holding them accountable. Instead are covering for them and going after the people who are doing their job.

Now since they believe they are untouchable they overreach to the extreme. This might be the time when the MSM realize they have to not be a cheerleader but hold to account these politicians. Some will many though would rather disbelieve instead.

The next couple of weeks will tell.


meeeeeeeeee

join:2003-07-13
Newburgh, NY

Ho Hum....

Nothing new, been going on for decades... nothing's going to happen... the sheeple are too stupid and lazy to do a thing.


FFH5
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Re: Well

said by mech1164:

Now since they believe they are untouchable they overreach to the extreme. This might be the time when the MSM realize they have to not be a cheerleader but hold to account these politicians. Some will many though would rather disbelieve instead.

The next couple of weeks will tell.

It will quickly die down. The MSM would have been howling for Bush's hide, but Obama will get a pass and the total outrage will quickly disappear when the reporter's editors get their marching orders from the DNC to squash the story.
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Ghoul

join:2001-02-04
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reply to FFH5

Re: More Bothered By Obama comment now

They're already twisting themselves into knots to justify this. I fully expect these lines of reasoning:

"Dear Leader works in mysterious ways, and to question Him means you are a racist.

"He only hurts us because he loves us"

And the best one....

"It's like a parent using a baby monitor, they do it because they want to keep us safe".

Ghoul

join:2001-02-04
Mastic Beach, NY
reply to jmn1207

Re: Just Us Department

Bipartisan problem? They don't seem to have a problem keeping close tabs on Republicans.


Cabal
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reply to Hazy Arc

Re: First the IRS Debacle, and Now This?

How many gross violations of the Constitution would it take for people to rise up against an unjust government?

5?

10?

...

1000?
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Ghoul

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reply to Hazy Arc
The media is using the "exapansion" technique to dilute the seriousness of this.

The real issue isn't how an agency controlled by the White House is being used as a weapon to attack groups that disagree with the government, but how "non-profit" groups are defined.

See, according to the MSM it's not a terrible, evil thing, but an "opportunity" to reform the regulations governing non-profit.


battleop

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Pot, Kettle, Black.

So it's OK for the media to engage in such acts but not OK when it happens to them? Boo Fucking Hoo....

Don't take Boo Fucking Hoo as approval for the DOJ doing this, only that the AP finds it wrong when it happens to them.
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M35

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reply to Hazy Arc

Re: First the IRS Debacle, and Now This?

One with laws called FISA/PATRIOT act. Oops, better watch what I am saying! The AP didn't think their are being snooped upon with these laws?


PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD
reply to ericthered26

Re: HA

said by ericthered26:

Under Bush the headline would have been "Bush Administration Taps AP Phone Lines". Obama already got a pass on this one.

And I quote...
"It was already made clear that a supposedly "progressive" Obama administration wasn't at all progressive given their disregard for wiretap laws and their attack on whistleblowers, and this rather ham-fisted trampling of the Constitution and the rights of the press to protect its sources only makes that clearer still."

Read the article before you claim that the authors are playing favorites.

SilentMan

join:2002-07-15
New York, NY

Even a Mouthpiece Gets it

Poor AP! Not even being the global US Government mouthpiece saves it from government spying. What now, AP? See how ungrateful the Washington mafia is after all the disinformation you have done for them?

Ghoul

join:2001-02-04
Mastic Beach, NY
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Re: HA

Since when does "progressivism" have anything to do with that "outdated" and "constraining" document written 200 years ago by rich white male slaveholders?

This is entirely in line with progressivism...win at all costs.

Mr Matt

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reply to battleop

Re: Pot, Kettle, Black.

I am sure Rupert Murdoch can give you a dissertation on the press engaging in snooping!


firephoto
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reply to Ghoul

Re: Just Us Department

said by Ghoul:

Bipartisan problem? They don't seem to have a problem keeping close tabs on Republicans.

It's called getting caught or not hiding what you're legally doing.

The previous strategy was spy domestically, then yell OOH SHINY, look TERRERERISTS! then let 3 news cycles forget about a single reporters question.

Seriously. We had administrations that constantly hunted for bad guys and gathered information and formulated long term strategies which put is in some long drawn out battles that are still ongoing. Now we have one that gets intel and acts on it piece by piece with heads on a stick in some cases which doesn't play into the previous long term strategies.

And it's all about money. Which makes more money, tracking terrorists for decades looking for more terrorists or finding a terrorists and shooting him?

And the AP is whining because they got caught reporting on restricted information handed to them by someone who is not allowed to be handing it out and in the case of a news reporting agency the purpose is for profit. In the case of the IRS targeting the tea party types, tracking the statistics make it look like the targeting of mostly tea party groups because I'd bet that the majority of new political groups at that period of time was tea party groups because there aren't a whole slew of small new liberal or progressive groups popping up in every neighborhood at the same time. And when you tax status application has comments or names that imply you are against paying taxes then you're damn straight it should be scrutinized by the tax authority.

It's a bunch of bs all around from all sides too, no politicians want openness , they want info compartmentalized to be able to gain monetarily from it or allow select others to gain from it, not everyone. This is the majority premise for a secretive government in modern times.
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firephoto
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Re: Govt vs AP

said by Gork:

Hopefully a line has been crossed and we can now make some headway with shutting this irresponsible practice down.

I agree, letting this sometimes classified information leak to news agencies for the purpose of profiteering on it should be eliminated as to protect the security of this country.
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reply to Cabal

Re: First the IRS Debacle, and Now This?

It'll take the loss of free or subsidized TV combined with the cancellation of Jeopardy and Here Comes Honey Boo Boo.

The AP is feeling a lot of butthurt because they're afraid Obama might not consider them "special." They'll be cozying up again before too long.


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Re: HA

said by Ghoul:

that "outdated" and "constraining" document written 200 years ago by rich white male slaveholders?

What document was written 200 years ago by rich white male slaveholders?

Rekrul

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reply to Gork

Re: Govt vs AP

said by Gork:

Hopefully a line has been crossed and we can now make some headway with shutting this irresponsible practice down.

They'll probably just pass a law making what they did retroactively legal, like they did with the warrantless wiretapping.

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reply to newview

Re: So glad ...

More like the AP realizes how much power the media has lost in the last 15 years, and life carries on.

What should have happened is that DOJ collected records for all of the government's phone records, and sifted through that for calls to AP reporters.

In the future, reporters and sources will learn to use Wikileaks style communication methods. Right now, there are no governments respecting privacy.