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Comments on news posted 2013-05-23 08:03:32: Porn copyright trolls like Prenda law already do plenty of sleazy things in their attempt to frighten BitTorrent porn downloaders into ponying up extortion settlement money. ..

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ArrayList
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go right ahead

make my day.


Joe12345678

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When they tryed to do some thing like this to hank hill he f

When they tryed to do some thing like this to hank hill he fights back



BonezX
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what the why, ?

there's a couple things that are screwed up here, they can put Martha Stewart away for insider trading, but they can't disbar the lawyers and thrown them in jail for this(yet if a private citizen did this they would be thrown in jail for a long time)

oh right, they are setup like an organized crime ring, where the titles and names mean nothing, and as long as nobody says anything none of them get caught. seriously, what's the point of a legal system when you have people using it to shakedown people for cash. not to mention is there ANY documentation that this group or any group is legally the executor for any of the proposed copyrighted material that they are going after people for, seriously this point doesn't seem to matter for some reason, considering if i was a producer and someone was doing this with my product without permission i would have their collective asses in court faster then it takes them to transfer funds to offshore accounts.


Beezel

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So what?

Call my neighbors, they probably would want a copy of what ever porn I allegedly downloaded for themselves.


Kearnstd
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This could get them in trouble

If they actually did this and the neighbor went after them with the Do Not Call list. Since Prenda Law has no business with said neighbor if that person is on the DNC wouldn't the call be a violation of said law?

Not that copyright trolls care about laws that do not relate to the ones that make them money.
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skeechan
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That is criminal

Doing this for the obvious purpose of extorting a settlement is the very definition of blackmail and the law firm is complicit in the conspiracy.
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atuarre
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Re: what the why, ?

Come on now. They really didn't "put Martha Stewart away". Had a regular, average American citizen had done something like that, they'd be in prison for years, and not in "Camp Cupcake".

She was released from custody in 2005 after serving 5 months.


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funny thing is the court originally wanted to ship her up to Danbury but since Danbury is a real prison I think it was her lawyers stated it could be too high risk for her being famous and all.

*By Danbury I mean the Danbury FCI, Its a real prison in that it unlike camp cupcake has cement cells and steel bars.
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Mannus
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just a matter of time...

Seems like Prenda Law is trying to make a quick money grab before their house of card comes crashing down.

»arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013···ly-ends/

»arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013···nctions/

»arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013···gnature/


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an empty threat

1. since 6 strikes ISP's no longer give out customer info by IP to any troll who asks.

2. IP geolocators are specific to a town, not any particular street address & apt#.

bottom line is if a troll threatens to call your neighbors about your porn habits,
ignore it cause he can't do shit, so he can only harm you further if you respond.


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Copyright trolls should be prosecuted under RICO act!

Copyright trolls should be prosecuted under RICO act and civil court if they contact anyone other than the accused. I am amazed that copyright trolls are trying to use this form of extortion to collect money. In most states it is against the law for anyone trying to collect a debt (bill collectors) to contact anyone other than the debtor. I am sure if the copyright trolls are challenged on their methods they will claim they are doing the accused a favor by not taking them to court, which they really do not want to do.



fatpipe

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La De Da & Tra La La La La...

Thanks for the lulz.

Ok, let's see: for everyone one person that takes the time to pirate porn, there is more than one person who will just as easily pay for the porn.

Seems these people with their mafia-style tactics are frantically attempting to justify their existence which is precarious at best.

Yawn, ok, who's next?!



whiteshp

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reply to Mr Matt

Re: Copyright trolls should be prosecuted under RICO act!

They get away with it because they have worded it as they are not collecting a bill. But rather just doing "discovery" for their law suit.

It's slimy lawyer tactics to pressure the defense.



viperpa33s
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They could be sued for defamation

They could be sued in civil court for defamation if they were to go to your friends and neighbors. Unless they have the proof you were the person downloading, then are going to be in big trouble.



PaulieN

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Re: This could get them in trouble

Unfortunately, they are not trying to sell anything, so it would be hard for them to be considered a telemarketer which is what the DNC covers.


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The trolls..

feel that any fines they incur are minor compared to the amount they get from extortion. Besides they know which judges can be bought and how much they have to pay. They probably stick the money into offshore accounts to hide it from the feds.

Lawyers are almost never disbarred unless they do something really heinous or criminal. The professional groups attorneys or state medicine boards almost never take real action.



Transmaster
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Calling your neighbors College Dorm.

I can just see these creeps calling your neighbors in a college Dorm. In 10 seconds your door would be knocked down with your neighbors screaming at you for holding out on them.
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Re: an empty threat

said by Packeteers:

2. IP geolocators are specific to a town, not any particular street address & apt#.

not universally, no. I know a few ISPs that managed to do this.


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Re: The trolls..

said by old_wiz_60:

Lawyers are almost never disbarred unless they do something really heinous or criminal. The professional groups attorneys or state medicine boards almost never take real action.

Goodness, I hope so. For someone to lose the ability to work in their chosen field, I would want the act to be heinous or criminal.
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tcope
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Re: what the why, ?

said by BonezX:

there's a couple things that are screwed up here, they can put Martha Stewart away for insider trading, but they can't disbar the lawyers and thrown them in jail for this(yet if a private citizen did this they would be thrown in jail for a long time)

It's really a "good ol' boy" profession. I'm dealing with this attorney right now:

"Hazel Washington. Her first conviction came in 1979 when she was sentenced to five years in state prison for defrauding Medicaid out of nearly $329,000. She received her law license in 1988 after then-Gov. Tommy Thompson granted her a pardon. In 2006, she was convicted of federal tax evasion, sentenced to five months in prison and up to five months of house arrest. She lost her law license only temporarily. It was reinstated in 2008."

I'd say an attorney would need to kill someone to lose their license but you know.... I'm sure it's happen and the attorney is still licensed.

One question... who becomes a judge. There you go.

It's really an Attorney General that need to go after these idiots. Even if they can't win. It would still be the right thing to do.

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Re: So what?

said by Beezel:

Call my neighbors, they probably would want a copy of what ever porn I allegedly downloaded for themselves.

This. I have no "neighbors", and they would be hard pressed to really get ahold of any of them, since its a bar and a grocery store. Seriously tho, if I were party to this case, I have a lawyer who would represent me pro-bono, and we could likely crush this outfit in a few motions.

Chubbysumo

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reply to Mannus

Re: just a matter of time...

This article incorrectly tries to tie "prenda law" into this porn copyright troll. Be assured, they are not the same lawfirm, and have no relations, except in the way they operate.


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Re: an empty threat

since AT&T no longer gives you an external IPV4 address, you get a 10.x.x.x address, and have 1 single external somewhere. If you are on a cellular connection, its even worse and less accurate. My cell phones IPv4 address says its in MO, and my landline is supposedly in Madison, WI. They have flaws, which is why most geolocator tools are ignored, and they simply ask for the address. If the address is within the jurisdiction, they can continue forward.


Chubbysumo

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reply to fatpipe

Re: La De Da & Tra La La La La...

I was under the assumption that you could not copyright porn, because it was ruled that it had no real artistic value, thus, their copyrights are invalid.


Chubbysumo

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Porn cannot be copyrighted?

I was under the assumption that because porn has no artistic value, it cannot be copyrighted(established case law). Does that not invalidate all of their copyrights, thus, does that not make it so this lawfirm is just sending out false and misleading statements in their letters? Be assured, as much as we love prenda law, this article incorrectly tries to tie Prenda Law to these idiots. Be assured that prenda and these idiots are not affiliated.

Edit: this firm is run by Paul Duffy, who is a former prenda lawyer, and has distanced himself from them, tho he seems to be running the same shenanigans, just on a different scale and such.


tcope
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Re: That is criminal

It's actually just a vailed threat. They would never actually call. If they could not show they had a reason to think he person's network was accessable by someone else and they did notify someone else then they would be defending themselves against a defamation lawsuit.

It's nothing more then an empty attempt to con people into paying something.

If there was a line for people to be pushed off a cliff I'd make darn sure these people were at the front. The human race simply does not need some people in it. These idiots should be on that list.



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The threat, being used to extort money is blackmail, ESPECIALLY if they have no intention of actually calling which means it has no valid purpose in the legal action. The only reason they are saying it is to extort. They should be going to prison.
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tcope
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said by skeechan:

The threat, being used to extort money is blackmail, ESPECIALLY if they have no intention of actually calling which means it has no valid purpose in the legal action. The only reason they are saying it is to extort. They should be going to prison.

While they _are_ just making an empty threat, it still walks just on the legal side as something they could get away with. Their argument will be 1) they never contacted anyone about the use and 2) would have only done so if there _was_ an indication that the the person they asked money from may have been subject to theft of service. Their spin is that they were actually telling the person, "hey, you may not be responsible and we don't want to pursue you if you are not".

Again, it's _100%_ PURE BS! The judge would even know that. However, without proof the judges hands are tied. Look at the legal case against this firm that was dismissed (linked in the story). The judge told them she knew they violated the law... just that there was no actual proof of this.


skeechan
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You don't have to prove it to a judge, just to a DA and jury.
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tcope
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said by skeechan:

You don't have to prove it to a judge, just to a DA and jury.

Certainly not a DA as the DA only presents a case to a judge or jury. Also, a DA only procecutes crimminal charges (not civil).

It could be a judge or a jury. But the judge would rule on a matter of law. I'd see a judge having to rule on a motion to dismiss as the plaintiff could not show grounds for defimation.

Even that is partially correct as my attempt was to be brief.