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Comments on news posted 2013-06-07 10:12:47: If you thought that you could escape the watchful eye of the entertainment industry by signing up for an ISP that doesn't cooperate with the entertainment industry's new six strikes initiative, think again. ..

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Jason Levine
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join:2001-07-13
USA

Not Spam

So they're going to e-mail users, tell them "this isn't spam", and encourage them to click on a link to pay money? And when a rational user says "this sounds fishy" and tosses it in the spam bin (or when it's auto-spam-binned), will the user be sued for thousands of dollars? Are they forgetting Rule #1 of E-mail? NEVER CLICK ON LINKS IN AN E-MAIL MESSAGE!
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ke4pym
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reply to ITALIAN926

Re: Stupid is as Stupid does.

said by ITALIAN926:

Theres no way in hell youre cracking my WPA2 WITH MAC filtering, aint happening, and if you do , you should be putting your skills to good use, not stealing last Season of Dexter of my internet connection.

I would strongly suggest you read up on how weak WiFi systems are.

And it doesn't take skills. Unless you count downloading an iso, sending it to a bootable USB key and booting from said USB key and clicking "Go" when the system boots - skills.


The Limit
Premium
join:2007-09-25
Greensboro, NC
kudos:2

1 recommendation

reply to ITALIAN926

Re: Worth it

Not sure where you are reading that Karl endorses piracy...try again

DanteX

join:2010-09-09
kudos:1

1 recommendation

reply to Guspaz

Re: WHo am I hurting

By using peer to peer technologies such as BitTorrent it gets the one copy of that movie distributed around the world to many people and in some cases can generate revenue based on the fact someone who downloads it likes what they Saw and wants a legit copy and even more titles like it. It creates profit where profit may have not existed at all.

kitsune

join:2001-11-26
Sacramento, CA
reply to ke4pym

Re: Stupid is as Stupid does.

said by ke4pym:

said by ITALIAN926:

Theres no way in hell youre cracking my WPA2 WITH MAC filtering, aint happening, and if you do , you should be putting your skills to good use, not stealing last Season of Dexter of my internet connection.

I would strongly suggest you read up on how weak WiFi systems are.

And it doesn't take skills. Unless you count downloading an iso, sending it to a bootable USB key and booting from said USB key and clicking "Go" when the system boots - skills.

I think you need to do a little more reading yourself. WPA2-AES is still difficult to crack. Certainly not going to break it in a few minutes. Especially if you are using a password of decent length.

Now if you are using the router from your service provider with WEP security, you are hosed. But that is not the current standard.

ADL

join:2000-12-20
USA
reply to linus5171

Re: Seems Fair

I dont know. Asking someone to pay $20 is more reasonable than asking for 100s or 1000s of dollars.

This helps parents who have kids who download.

Kamus

join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX

1 recommendation

reply to ITALIAN926

Re: Stupid is as Stupid does.

said by ITALIAN926:

Not purposefully, or intentionally

Oh, so that makes it OK then? Double standards much?

Kamus

join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX
reply to FFH5

Re: Avoid alerts - don't deal in copyrighted videos

said by FFH5:

You can also dodge the alerts by not download/uploading copyrighted videos in the 1st place.

I think you just solved the piracy problem...

Jazzemt

join:2009-02-12
USA
reply to kitsune

Re: Stupid is as Stupid does.

It is not cracking the wpa. It is using a tool like Reaver and cracknig the WPS which is in most routers and cannot be turned off. And some of the ones where it can be turned off it is still crackable. At that point spofing the mac and knowing the WPS key you are assigned the WPA key and there is a tool or two to show what the wpa key is when you have it local. The longest I have seen it take was two hours. Usually under 30 minutes.

ke4pym
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said by Jazzemt:

It is not cracking the wpa. It is using a tool like Reaver and cracknig the WPS which is in most routers and cannot be turned off. And some of the ones where it can be turned off it is still crackable. At that point spofing the mac and knowing the WPS key you are assigned the WPA key and there is a tool or two to show what the wpa key is when you have it local. The longest I have seen it take was two hours. Usually under 30 minutes.

Ditto


Cthen
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Detroit, MI
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reply to Jason Levine

Re: Not Spam

said by Jason Levine:

So they're going to e-mail users, tell them "this isn't spam", and encourage them to click on a link to pay money? And when a rational user says "this sounds fishy" and tosses it in the spam bin (or when it's auto-spam-binned), will the user be sued for thousands of dollars? Are they forgetting Rule #1 of E-mail? NEVER CLICK ON LINKS IN AN E-MAIL MESSAGE!

Yea no shit. People have been preaching about that up and down even on local news. They are even told that if an email looks official but asks for money, it's a scam. So WB must have chose this route for notification for reason.

Talk about being too cheap and lazy to do it on paper in actual mail.

Then again that would be a piece of evidence that would be much easier for someone to bring to court with them. WB could deny they sent an email forcing the end user to spend some real cash to subpoena that info.
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"I like to refer to myself as an Adult Film Efficienato." - Stuart Bondek

silbaco
Premium
join:2009-08-03
USA

Stealing Content

If you get caught stealing a movie or song from downloading it via torrents, you deserve to get fined. Fined for stupidity if nothing else.

silbaco
Premium
join:2009-08-03
USA
reply to ke4pym

Re: Stupid is as Stupid does.

Crack WPA2 in 30 seconds? Not going to happen.

silbaco
Premium
join:2009-08-03
USA
reply to ISurfTooMuch

Re: Making VPN's illegal

Outlawing VPNs is a very possible reality. Our government has no limit of incompetence and is not required to have any intimate knowledge of the consequences on the laws they pass. If the entertainment industry puts a law before them outlawing VPNs with an enforcement that ISPs must use DPI to detect use of VPNs, then they will win. All they have to do is either say it is "to protect the children" or "fight terrorism" and people will not only accept it, they will willingly embrace it. If worked right, they could use both and then even the grandma's will come out in support.

silbaco
Premium
join:2009-08-03
USA

Edit

Accidental post.


IowaCowboy
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$20 is nothing

Copyright infringement is a criminal offense and can get you up to $250,000.00 in fines and/or up to 5 years in federal prison.

I know that from reading the FBI warnings at the beginning of DVDs and Videotapes.

I used to watch a lot of movies as a kid. Now the Internet and legally obtained music is my main source of entertainment.

I still have a lot of my old videotapes, although I am slowly migrating the collection to Blu-ray Discs. A few movies are downloaded.
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I've experienced ImOn (when they were McLeod USA), Mediacom, Comcast, and Time Warner and I currently have DirecTV. They are much better than broadcast TV.

I have not and will not cut the cord.

tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY
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The last straw

The last straw from the copyright industry (for generations of consumers since) was way back in the early 1980s-- a policy of REFUSING returns of intellectual property and this is inclusive of Software, Media of Video, Audio and later extended it to live content as well. That further limited private use, introduced COPYRIGHT protections and DRM through various hardware & software methods and all of this was STILL not good enough to change the policy.

Killing fair use, consumer, and later privacy rights put consumers and the industry in an adversarial position and it's been downhill ever since. No, the VCR, and Napster were not the beginning of this adversarial position, but they took things to whole new levels of animosity.


IowaCowboy
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Another form of piracy back in the day was to buy a blank VHS cassette, rent a movie or check one out at the public library, open the cassettes up and switch out the tapes in the shell so when you returned the movie to the library/rental store it would appear that they have their movie back but they ended up with a blank tape.

Many movie rental outfits/libraries started using tamper seals that if cut or removed that you would be billed the replacement cost of the movie.

An even more heinous (and likely illegal) act was putting porn movies in the VHS cassette shells of children's movies. I know for a fact that this act is illegal in the State of Iowa as they have a law prohibiting the distribution of adult content to minors (my mother pressed charges under that law when some school bullies sent porn to my e-mail inbox when I was 13).

VHS is all but dead these days. Blu-ray is much higher quality and you could fit the entire Fred Astaire/Ginger Rogers collection (in 4:3 SD) on one Blu-ray.
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I've experienced ImOn (when they were McLeod USA), Mediacom, Comcast, and Time Warner and I currently have DirecTV. They are much better than broadcast TV.

I have not and will not cut the cord.
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ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
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reply to Kamus

Re: Avoid alerts - don't deal in copyrighted videos

He did.


ITALIAN926

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reply to silbaco

Re: Stupid is as Stupid does.

My WPA2 is VERRRRRRY long, these guys are insane. These guys actually use weak encryption as a reason to break copyright law. If you all stop doing it, we wouldnt need to encrypt with 30+ character WPA2

DanteX

join:2010-09-09
kudos:1

4 recommendations

This is why people pirate

This is why I pirate


rahvin112

join:2002-05-24
Sandy, UT
reply to Jazzemt

Re: Stupid is as Stupid does.

It's not just WPS, with the password lists available with John the Ripper (or elsewhere) you can dictionary attack the password in almost no time at all. It's pretty rare actually that anything short of 12+ random numbers, letters and special characters isn't part of the lists. Before I switched to passphrases I grep'd almost every single password I use out of the lists, it was eyeopening.


AMDUSER
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join:2003-05-28
Earth,
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reply to DanteX

Re: This is why people pirate

I was wondering when this chart would get posted....

Happydude32
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reply to IowaCowboy

Re: $20 is nothing

quote:
I know that from reading the FBI warnings at the beginning of DVDs and Videotapes.
Sorry to hear that. When I had Netflix and pirated the rented DVDs I received by mail, I would remove the FBI warnings and all the other crap from my copies.



TwiztedZero
Nine Zero Burp Nine Six
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join:2011-03-31
Toronto, ON
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[ Six Strikes go Bye de Byes ]

Said it before, I'll say it again. Warner Bros. EATADICK!

We will overturn you!

( . . . on a roasty grill, with the heat turned up high n mighty.)


DataRiker
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reply to ITALIAN926

Re: Worth it

said by ITALIAN926:

Never a piracy article without Karl endorsing the VPN workaround. You guys go through a lot of hassle just to break the law, it would be easier to simply not do it.

How is configuring a vpn ONCE a lot of hassle?

Many actually do the configuration automatically on install.


TamaraB
Question The Current Paradigm
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Da Bronx
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reply to rahvin112

Re: Stupid is as Stupid does.

said by rahvin112:

It's pretty rare actually that anything short of 12+ random numbers, letters and special characters isn't part of the lists.

Really? I use pass-phrases, They take the form of "W#en T#e $un $h|n#$ |t'$ V#ry 3r|g#t 0ut$|d#" A 40 character+ pass-phrase with special characters replacing letters. Which can be remembered quite easily if you craft it intelligently. I don't think such a random phrase crafted this way will show up on any list, and the number of combinations and permutations is beyond the capability of anything short of a bank of supercomputers to discover in time to make the discovery usable. I use such pass-phrases on my computers as well.

Short of cracking the algorithm itself, which as far as I know has not been done yet, systems protected this way are as secure as they can be.

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Gunpowder, Treason and Plot.
I see no reason why Gunpowder Treason
Should ever be forgot."

"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people"


tootal2

join:2013-05-19
Eureka, MO

why use the internet when you can just rent a blu-ray

and use anydvd to copy it to your computer?
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