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Comments on news posted 2013-07-08 09:11:06: According to the New York Times, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC, aka FISA Court) has, through a dozen classified rulings, created an entirely new and "secret body of law" by which the NSA covertly operates. ..

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FFH5
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Forget FOIA requests - NSA refuses all requests

And forget getting any info from the NSA about their processes. They are rejecting all Freedom of Information Act requests based on the top secret exception in the law.
»m.civilbeat.com/articles/2013/07···rsaries/
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Twaddle

@sbcglobal.net

You thought J Edgar was bad?!

A complete sham and a blatant disregard to the Constitution of the United States. Secret covert "courts" that have broad sweeping powers is the same crap that Nazi Germany , Stalinist Russia (and the list goes on) instituted to subjugate the citizens. Too much blood was shed fighting against these same atrocities in the past and now our contemptible government is guilty of the very same violations. I understand the need for "some" level of national security but this is beyond belief. The security of the United States is a matter for CONGRESS and the President to be aware of and details accessible upon congressional request. We are no better than the Taliban regimes of the Middle East if this is to be allowed.


battleop

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Once again...

Remind me why this type of activity was bad under Bush but OK under Obama?

me1212

join:2008-11-20
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Quite frankly because bush had an R on his ballot and obama had a D. The media in this country will defend whichever party they side with to the end. Personally I loath both sides.


battleop

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Which ever party generates the best headlines that lead to more viewers.


Rob
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reply to battleop
said by battleop:

Remind me why this type of activity was bad under Bush but OK under Obama?

Because it was started under Bush, and continued under Obama. Apparently that's a big difference (or so says my ultra liberal friends).
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me1212

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said by Rob:

said by battleop:

Remind me why this type of activity was bad under Bush but OK under Obama?

Because it was started under Bush, and continued under Obama. Apparently that's a big difference (or so says my ultra liberal friends).

Isn't continuing it worse though? I mean its one thing to start it as bad as that was, but obama could have done something about it and he didn't. Much as I hate the bush admin for starting it, if the obama admin wont stop it they are just as guilty in my book maybe even more so.

me1212

join:2008-11-20
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reply to battleop
Yep, our media is so broken.


NOCTech75
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said by me1212:

said by Rob:

said by battleop:

Remind me why this type of activity was bad under Bush but OK under Obama?

Because it was started under Bush, and continued under Obama. Apparently that's a big difference (or so says my ultra liberal friends).

Isn't continuing it worse though? I mean its one thing to start it as bad as that was, but obama could have done something about it and he didn't. Much as I hate the bush admin for starting it, if the obama admin wont stop it they are just as guilty in my book maybe even more so.

Especially after an entire campaign of saying he was going to change the way Washington does business.

easonin
Rock Ridge, FL

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reply to me1212
said by me1212:

said by Rob:

said by battleop:

Remind me why this type of activity was bad under Bush but OK under Obama?

Because it was started under Bush, and continued under Obama. Apparently that's a big difference (or so says my ultra liberal friends).

Isn't continuing it worse though? I mean its one thing to start it as bad as that was, but obama could have done something about it and he didn't. Much as I hate the bush admin for starting it, if the obama admin wont stop it they are just as guilty in my book maybe even more so.

Agreed. Just as guilty, and just as bad. They all make promises just to get elected, or reelected, then break them. And most just wait to elect the "better" guy next time 'round. When will voters understand that they're all the same? When???
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Squire James

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reply to battleop
I'm pretty sure it was quietly known since the program's inception, and was likely the subject of many intelligence briefings under both Bush and Obama (and both during the transition).

In today's "party is everything" climate in government, there is potential for a lot more than the IRS becoming abusive here! Anyone who thinks it's okay for Democrats to do this sort of thing should be considering that Republicans can be doing the same in the future, and vice versa.


meeeeeeeeee

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reply to NOCTech75
said by NOCTech75:

Especially after an entire campaign of saying he was going to change the way Washington does business.

Well, He kept his promise. There isn't ONE OUNCE of honesty, ethics, morality, concern for the Constitution or concern for the People of the United States in this government. It is 100%, completely self serving.
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Simba7
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reply to battleop
said by battleop:

Remind me why this type of activity was bad under Bush but OK under Obama?

It's not all the President's fault. It's mostly Congress. If you see what Obama tried to do just after he got elected the first term.. you'll see that he's just a puppet, and the House and Senate are actually in control. There's a reason Obama has almost a head of grey hair now.

I've never seen the House and Senate throw such a temper tantrum over what the President wanted done.. unless it was to benefit them or their shareholders.

..of course, once you get that much power, you don't want to give it up easily.
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Rekrul

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reply to battleop
said by battleop:

Remind me why this type of activity was bad under Bush but OK under Obama?

Because Saint Obama is black!!! You can't criticize the first black president!!! What are you racist?!! We must overlook any and all flaws and worship him as a god!!!


n2jtx

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reply to me1212
said by me1212:

Personally I loath both sides.

Same here. While I have always been a registered independent, I tend to follow the Libertarian doctrine since I believe I am not smart enough to tell other people how to live their lives.
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DataDoc
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reply to Simba7
The Dems controlled BOTH houses of Congress "just after he got elected the first term."

Welcome to Chicago Politics.

easonin
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reply to meeeeeeeeee
So, knowing this now, what can we do? What do we do about it?

»freestateproject.org/

"The Free State Project is an agreement among 20,000 pro-liberty activists to move to New Hampshire, where they will exert the fullest practical effort toward the creation of a society in which the maximum role of government is the protection of life, liberty, and property."

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meeeeeeeeee

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said by easonin:

So, knowing this now, what can we do? What do we do about it?

I've known about it for over 30 years. It's only now that it is too late, that some others are beginning to wake up.

For some reason, I have a sneaking suspicion that IF this freestateproject ever gets off the ground, the government will find it necessary to "protect the children" and turn every man, woman, and child there into crispy critters...aka "business as usual".
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StuartMW
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said by meeeeeeeeee:

I've known about it for over 30 years. It's only now that it is too late, that some others are beginning to wake up.

+1

Yup you can't un-ring a bell, unbreak an egg or get a gummint to willingly give up their power once they have it.
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reply to n2jtx
Another vote for "they both suck".

I'm registered with a party, since in PA you can't vote in the primary unless you're registered with one of the 2 major parties, otherwise I would have registered "I" a long time ago.

I believe we're witnessing a fundamental breakdown of the system as a whole. In the end, the voter, from whom all power is supposed to be derived from has no advocate. Including the media.

The only vote that matters anymore is the dollar. It's all about money, everything else be damned....
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battleop

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battleop

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reply to Rekrul

Re: Once again...

"What are you racist?!!"

"I can't be. I hate everyone equally."


n2jtx

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reply to N3OGH
said by N3OGH:

Another vote for "they both suck".

I'm registered with a party, since in PA you can't vote in the primary unless you're registered with one of the 2 major parties, otherwise I would have registered "I" a long time ago.

I cannot vote in primaries in New York. You must be a party to vote in the primary. My late father was a Republican and they rarely held primaries and the smoke filled room decided who would run. My mother is a Democrat and does vote in primaries but there really is never a choice.
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cpsycho

join:2008-06-03
HarperLand

History

Was there not a secret nazi court as well? I feel sorry for you Americans, your democracy is now officially dead.


meeeeeeeeee

join:2003-07-13
Newburgh, NY
reply to battleop

Re: Once again...

It's sad that so many still believe in the R or the D meaning something. It's a Party folks, a big one, and YOU'RE NOT INVITED. YOU just get to pay for it!!!!!

So.... how about that Tooth Fairy...


Rambo76098

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reply to me1212
It's definitely worse to me... Barry said all kinds of stuff about how these things were wrong or whatever, and now is not only doing everything the Bush Admin was doing, but is doing more as well.

He turned out just like every other politician: full of hot air as a candidate, with very few actual results as a pol.

easonin
Rock Ridge, FL

join:2008-07-08
reply to StuartMW
I believe that's somewhat true, however, the gov't is made of people, whose minds could be changed.


xpbx
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Re: History

and youre nuts if you think your govt doesnt spy on you.


jazzlady

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Re: Once again...

said by n2jtx:

said by me1212:

Personally I loath both sides.

...I am not smart enough to tell other people how to live their lives....

"...I am smart enough to not tell people how to live their lives..."

There, I fixed for you.
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