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Comments on news posted 2013-07-16 13:28:00: Following on the heels of T-Mobile JUMP and AT&T Next, Verizon Wireless will soon be offering consumers a frequent handset upgrade program of their own. ..

Justin024

join:2010-08-11
Irving, TX

Sign me up!

I'll be using this for the Note 3. Ditching my iPhone 4S.
xenophon

join:2007-09-17

Re: Sign me up!

ATT/VZW plan makes it more expensive to leave carrier.

»www.androidpolice.com/2013/07/16···pensive/

IowaCowboy
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Springfield, MA
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Agreed.

I'd like to buy a new iPhone each time Apple releases one.

I also need a new mobile broadband card since mine keeps dropping its connection.

Camelot One
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Greenwood, IN
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Re: Sign me up!

The pessimist side of me thinks this will go down much like rent to own furniture. They'll offer you 0% interest, and let you trade in after 50% is paid off. But they'll jack up the actual price so much that 50% will still be 120% of the phone's actual value. And with "no long term contract" on the service, they'll be free to "modify" the charges and fees at any time.

SteelerRaw

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Re: Sign me up!

said by Camelot One:

The pessimist side of me thinks this will go down much like rent to own furniture. They'll offer you 0% interest, and let you trade in after 50% is paid off. But they'll jack up the actual price so much that 50% will still be 120% of the phone's actual value. And with "no long term contract" on the service, they'll be free to "modify" the charges and fees at any time.

I think that you've hit the nail precisely on the head!

IowaCowboy
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said by Camelot One:

The pessimist side of me thinks this will go down much like rent to own furniture. They'll offer you 0% interest, and let you trade in after 50% is paid off. But they'll jack up the actual price so much that 50% will still be 120% of the phone's actual value. And with "no long term contract" on the service, they'll be free to "modify" the charges and fees at any time.

While you are not tied to a contract with the service itself, the device financing plan itself IS a contract. And buried in the fine print is a clause that states if the associated service is cancelled, then the balance of the device loan becomes payable in full.

While they can change the fees associated with the service, the fees associated with the device financing itself are stated by and locked by the contract.

On my income, I cannot afford to buy smartphones outright.
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Camelot One
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Re: Sign me up!

said by IowaCowboy:

said by Camelot One:

The pessimist side of me thinks this will go down much like rent to own furniture. They'll offer you 0% interest, and let you trade in after 50% is paid off. But they'll jack up the actual price so much that 50% will still be 120% of the phone's actual value. And with "no long term contract" on the service, they'll be free to "modify" the charges and fees at any time.

While you are not tied to a contract with the service itself, the device financing plan itself IS a contract. And buried in the fine print is a clause that states if the associated service is cancelled, then the balance of the device loan becomes payable in full.

While they can change the fees associated with the service, the fees associated with the device financing itself are stated by and locked by the contract.

I was talking more about the carrier not being locked into the service contract. Under current contracts, you pay your discounted phone fee up front, and agree to pay whatever the monthly plan is. And that monthly plan is fixed, if they insist on a change in plan price, you can terminate without penalty and just walk away.

Under these new "financing" plans, you agree to finance the phone, and sign up for service at $39.99 a month. The phone price is set in stone up front, but there is no contract in place to stop them from jacking the phone service up to $139.99 two days later. At that point your only recourse would be to terminate service, but you would still owe the full balance on the phone itself. And I would bet money the "full price" of the phones will be even more ridiculous than they are now, high enough that the 50% you agree to pay is more than enough to cover the carrier's purchase cost.

Cheese
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said by IowaCowboy:

Agreed.

I'd like to buy a new iPhone each time Apple releases one.

SMFH...
fiberguy
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Re: Sign me up!

said by Cheese:

said by IowaCowboy:

Agreed.

I'd like to buy a new iPhone each time Apple releases one.

SMFH...

Yes.. shake it.. because what someone else chooses to do with their life affects you in so many ways. Stop judging people and worry about yourself.
Happydude32
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Given how AT&T and Verizon pretty much mimic each other, I wouldn't be too surprised if Verizon's early upgrade plan was the same or very similar to AT&Ts. And after doing the math and reading this article, this is nothing but a ripoff. These companies aren't in the business to lose money, so why would anyone in their right mind even consider opting for a plan like this? You'd be better off reselling your old phones and buying new phones at the unsubsidized rate.

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Justin024

join:2010-08-11
Irving, TX

Re: Sign me up!

No one is saying this is "the deal of the century" however for some individuals who want the latest phone every year AND plan on staying with the same carrier are the likely candidates for this program.

I have an iPhone 4S recently purchased on contract last December with no scratches or blemishes would probably sell for $250 -$275 MAX. That's not enough to cover the cost of an off contract Note 3 which will likely be $599-650 off contract. That's a great option considering I'll still have a backup phone (my 4S) and wouldn't have to sell it.

I think people are forgetting you CAN pay the phone off early and turn around and get another one. This program, while not the best long term option, is sufficient for those that want the latest phone every year.
ndwbr

join:2003-07-10
Atlanta, GA

just an attempt to lure people off of their unlimited plan

Since I have the grandfathered unlimited data plan, I see this as just an attempt by Verizon to lure folks off of that plan and onto a hokey "shared" device plan. I'm hanging on to my Galaxy S3 and its 12Mbps download speed for as long as possible - heck that's twice as fast as my AT&T DSL. It's great for tethering a Kindle Fire and iPad when I'm out and about (plus I like creating provocative hotspots like NSASURVEILLANCE or OBAMASOCIALISTINCOMPETENT) lol
biochemistry
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Re: just an attempt to lure people off of their unlimited plan

I'm with you on that. If you always have wi-fi, then great. However, I do a fair bit of traveling and LTE is almost invariably faster than the hotel's wifi (which has 200 people trying to use netflix at the same time), not to mention there's no wifi while I'm driving. I will not give up this grandfathered plan.

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Re: just an attempt to lure people off of their unlimited plan

said by biochemistry:

I will not give up this grandfathered plan.

So you will be buying your next device at full retail price instead of the subsidy price?
bunklung

join:2002-07-13
Northampton, MA

Re: just an attempt to lure people off of their unlimited plan

said by morbo:

said by biochemistry:

I will not give up this grandfathered plan.

So you will be buying your next device at full retail price instead of the subsidy price?

eBay is a great place to pick up new/used/refurbished phones for VZW. I won't pay $600 for a full retail phone, but I will buy a 6-12 month old phone for $350 and sell my older phone for $100. I can only hope phones like the Nexus 4 become compatible with VZWs network. $300 is a bargain for a top of the line phone.

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Re: just an attempt to lure people off of their unlimited plan

Maybe the Nexus 5 will be compatible.
sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
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said by bunklung:

said by morbo:

said by biochemistry:

I will not give up this grandfathered plan.

So you will be buying your next device at full retail price instead of the subsidy price?

eBay is a great place to pick up new/used/refurbished phones for VZW. I won't pay $600 for a full retail phone, but I will buy a 6-12 month old phone for $350 and sell my older phone for $100. I can only hope phones like the Nexus 4 become compatible with VZWs network. $300 is a bargain for a top of the line phone.

Most new phones drop to $200 after 6 months.
bunklung

join:2002-07-13
Northampton, MA

Re: just an attempt to lure people off of their unlimited plan

said by sonicmerlin:

Most new phones drop to $200 after 6 months.

Yep, most, but I don't by most phones. The GS3 is still $300 on ebay 1 year later.

aaronwt
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join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA
said by morbo:

said by biochemistry:

I will not give up this grandfathered plan.

So you will be buying your next device at full retail price instead of the subsidy price?

It's much, much cheaper. Granted the cost is higher up front with the $700 or so for a phone, but for me, over two years, i will still save over $1K than if I switched to the new plans and only paid $200 for the new phone. Since the monthly cost would be so much higher than what I'm paying now for unlimted data and text.

morbo
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Re: just an attempt to lure people off of their unlimited plan

Most people aren't aware that they lose unlimited if they buy a new phone with a subsidy.
biochemistry
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I have already purchased 2 used phones for the price of a new subsidized phone since Verizon pulled this. In fact I am typing on a nice used phone I got last week.
crk2h

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Does unlimited really matter anymore?

I don't know about you but I am usually connected to wifi everywhere I go for the most part. I thought that I would never make it with out my unlimited data plan but in all actuality I average about 1 GB per month sometimes 2 so I have never had a problem with going over.
Justin024

join:2010-08-11
Irving, TX

Re: Does unlimited really matter anymore?

Not for me. I had downgraded from the 2gig to the 1gig because I was literally "forcing" myself to go over 1g in a month. I have wifi at work and at home so I'm rarely without it.

norbert26
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Warwick, RI

Re: Does unlimited really matter anymore?

i had to let the unlimited go last year so i could get unlimited talk and text which was more important for the GF . i always have WIFI when i get to my destination and if i need the 'net in between my 1 GB will cover i have never gone over .

aaronwt
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said by crk2h:

I don't know about you but I am usually connected to wifi everywhere I go for the most part. I thought that I would never make it with out my unlimited data plan but in all actuality I average about 1 GB per month sometimes 2 so I have never had a problem with going over.

Just the opposite for me. When I'm using my phone I'm usually on LTE. And since it's unlimited I don't typically connect to a Wi-Fi network unless I'm at home. But when I'm at home I rarely use my phone. I plan to stay on the Verizon wireless unlimited data plan as long as I can. When I priced out the new plans, based on my usage, my cost would almost double each month to switch to the new plans.

MovieLover76

join:2009-09-11
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Re: Does unlimited really matter anymore?

You missed the point, The point was that when transitioning to tiered data plans, people seek out and make sure to use wifi and actual mobile usage is usually easy to stay under the caps.

I have a 3GB AT&T plan, since I'm on teired data I use wifi at home, work and wherever else I can find it and last month even with google music streaming while driving, I only used like 1.2gb, when I was on Verizon unlimited I used 6-8 GB a month.
Justin024

join:2010-08-11
Irving, TX

Re: Does unlimited really matter anymore?

Exactly. If you're on a tiered data plan you're going to always want to connect to WiFi anyway. If I was on an unlim'd data plan I'm sure I'd do 4-6 gigs a month.
BB4Life

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Re: Does unlimited really matter anymore?

There are times I will turn on my MiFi (which has unlimited), connect my laptop to it, put on Netflix, and find a long movie and play it, then go to sleep.

Why? Because I effing can!! I like that I have unlimited from VZ and don't have to play those WiFi games. I got unlimited about a week before they went to tiered plans...I will never let it go, and those who write they can live without it, etc, are just haters.

When/if VZW takes unlimited away, I'll go to T-Mobile or something, but I will NOT quit before then, or perform my little ritual of using GBs of bandwidth while I sleep.
Justin024

join:2010-08-11
Irving, TX

Re: Does unlimited really matter anymore?

...and you're the reason why the telcos switched to tiered data plans anyway.
sonicmerlin

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Re: Does unlimited really matter anymore?

said by Justin024:

...and you're the reason why the telcos switched to tiered data plans anyway.

You realize those towers, spectrum, and bandwidth are going mostly unused when people sleep at night anyways right? It's not like there's a finite number of "bytes" to consume.
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Re: Does unlimited really matter anymore?

said by sonicmerlin See Profile
You realize those towers, spectrum, and bandwidth are going mostly unused when people sleep at night anyways right? It's not like there's a finite number of "bytes" to consume.

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Exactly. @Justin, I do it primarily to take screenshots of usage and show off to my friends who had to give up unlimited so the could get an iPhone 5. We take roadtrips and having unlimited data with Verizon comes clutch for fiancee to watch Netflix, or use Spotify. Using Wifi is so hit and miss. Otherwise, I wouldn't care.

A buddy of mine is a Tmobile salesman and tried to get me to switch. Yes my bill would be cheaper but I just told him three words.

Verizon

Unlimited

Data

He immediately shut up and told me to stay put. He couldn't come back from that...

LOL.


Elector

join:2000-05-25
Albany, NY

Re: Does unlimited really matter anymore?

T-Mobile has unlimited talk, text for $50 and for $20 more "unlimited data" and 500 mb of teathering per month. $70 is way cheaper than Verizon. Yes I pay verizon for unlimited data at $30 per line and I am now trying T-Mobile now. I would save $60 a month if I ported over my other two lines to T-Mobile from verizon and still have "unlimited" data.

I use wifi more than cell data, but on the road or on vacation I use cellular data in hotels without free wifi or crappy wifi. But that is rare.

You have to price and plan compare for the best deals. I always pay full price for my devices so that is never an issue, and I am always contract free.
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MovieLover76

join:2009-09-11
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Their is finite capacity, a tower can only push out so many bits at a time and regardless of if you slow the network down to a crawl or not, you are slowing down the connection for users who are actively using the network at that time by some degree, it's just being a selfish jerk who gets off on high usage graphs, which is pretty sad and pathetic.

MovieLover76

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I can understand enjoying the freedom of unlimited data, I only left my unlimited data plan because work gave me a free phone and free with 3GB of data vs $100 a month isn't a hard choice for me.

But why do you have to be a dick about it? People like you who use unlimited data while sleeping just to up your download stats and show off, or try to replace home internet with unlimited lte are one of the main reasons carriers went away from unlimited data.

If you want to keep unlimited data by all means pay full price for your phones and keep your unlimited plans, but don't waste capacity just to up your usage per month to show off to others, not only is it really sad that doing that makes you feel better about yourself, your slowing down other users who are actually actively using the network at the same time for no reason.
BB4Life

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Re: Does unlimited really matter anymore?

You know what I found sad? The fact that you are losing sleep over my alleged use of unlimited data. Like, you really are getting all *-hurt over it, and after I am done laughing hysterically, I find that you spent time and energy writing that little blurb to be sad and pathetic.

Here are facts:

1) I have three unlimited data lines with VZ. One of them I even obtained a few months ago via "Assumption of Liability." on eBay. That became my dedicated MiFi device. Thanks to the FCC, I pay $40 a month for VERIZON UNLIMITED DATA to use on my MiFi instead of whatever VZ would have wanted...yay!

2) I have not replaced my main broadband with LTE. That would just be dumb.

3) I do have a VZ smart phone (Droid Maxx) that work supplied me. I get 2GB/month. I will STILL not get rid of unlimited.

While I'm on the soapbox, yes, T-Mobile is cheaper. I had T-Mobile and voice AND data was just so horrible when I would be in a certain part of town. Keep in mind, I'm in the NYC metro area...T-Mobile is just inferior service, period. The fact that haters like you have to play WiFi games telling folks that unlimited doesn't matter? It's the same as poor people saying money doesn't matter. Guess what? Both do! The fact that you'd say otherwise...that is sad.

Thank you though for the laugh. Every time I have a bad day, I will remember to read your last post so that I can brighten my mood with legitimate laughter.