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Comments on news posted 2013-08-13 14:04:17: Back in 2008 Verizon negotiated a closed-door agreement with NYC mayor Mike Bloomberg that agreed to wire 100% of the city with FiOS by the end of 2014 -- sort of. ..


batterup
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The deal has been made.

CATV gets the land line TPC gets wireless.

quote:
If Verizon has trouble accessing certain buildings, they get a sort of nastygram package hinting at dire outcomes:

RJARRRPCGP

join:2010-12-17
Springfield, VT

1 recommendation

Re: The deal has been made.

Verizon seems to be digging their own grave, by refusing to offer Fios in most towns.

batterup
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Netcong, NJ

Re: The deal has been made.

I know many who can get FiOS and don't. Verizon can lead a subscriber to FiOS but can't make her subscribe.

That said the last "Telephoneman" Seidenberg is gone and McAdam, from wireless, is large and in charge. Verizon will try to get back as much of the $23,000,000,000.00 spent on FiOS but will not seek any new contracts.

That said this is what "Ma" said you MUST have, "Ma" knows best for over 100 years.


OSUGoose

join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH

Re: The deal has been made.

Why was the cover removed from the ONT?

batterup
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Netcong, NJ

Re: The deal has been made.

said by OSUGoose:

Why was the cover removed from the ONT?

I don't know, not my picture, as I will never get FiOS at my premises.
CXM_Splicer
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said by batterup:

I know many who can get FiOS and don't. Verizon can lead a subscriber to FiOS but can't make her subscribe.

Tell that to the people being forced on to it when Verizon refuses to fix their landline.

batterup
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Re: The deal has been made.

said by CXM_Splicer:

Tell that to the people being forced on to it when Verizon refuses to fix their landline.

FiOS is a "landlne". FiOS was the last attempt at landline and it failed for several reasons even though once in, it is the best way to go. Well what would one rather have FiOS or that voo-doo wireless "POTS" Sandy victims are being forced on. Funny how CATV gets a pass, well they are NOT TPC.

Think about it, 4G through the walls and bone no property owner permission needed.
CXM_Splicer
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Re: The deal has been made.

said by batterup:

FiOS is a "landlne".

Yes, and many that don't want it are being forced to it anyway. The people who can get FIOS are going to get it... like it or not. Verizon IS making them subscribe.

As far as replacing FIOS with 4G, it simply isn't going to happen. 4G can't come close to the bandwidth of even the Internet portion of FIOS to a neighborhood much less the HDTV. Verizon could replace wired Internet with maybe 6G (assuming comparable revision upgrades) but they would have to drop the TV service; very possible considering their collusion with cable companies as of late.
RJARRRPCGP

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"That said the last "Telephoneman" Seidenberg is gone and McAdam, from wireless, is large and in charge. Verizon will try to get back as much of the $23,000,000,000.00 spent on FiOS but will not seek any new contracts."

-> Sounds alot like GM when dumping the EV-1! (When GM wanted the EV-1s back and destroyed!)

dvd536
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JasonOD

@comcast.net

Building owners have the right to....

..... do business with whoever they want. If VZ wants to buy out some owners existing deals with providers, then great. Otherwise, they don't have to talk to you.
TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH

Re: Building owners have the right to....

The better question is how long ago did the resident that wanted FiOS request it and how long ago did they move? It could have been several years ago and now just VZ wanting access- they should be told "no" you are not coming in.

Jim Kirk
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Westerville, OH
Don't you work for Comcast?

OSUGoose

join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH

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Um, no. There is Telco facilities in some buildings, denying them access to upgrade/maintain is illegal. The landlords are simply trying to extort more money out of VZ to gain access to existing stuff.

Imaging you owned a building, and it had VZ stuff in it to service your residents, well you've now signed a sweetheart deal with the cable company 10-15 years later. VZ comes and say hey we need access to upgrade our stuff, and you deny them access as that would mean your residents wouldn't use the cable company you get a kickback from. So you say yea sure VZ you can have access if you pay me x. VZ refuses and so your residents unable to even get their existing services repaired go to the cable co, thinking VZ is BS'ing them for all their services.

That's what's happening more often then not.

PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD

Re: Building owners have the right to....

I've seen instances of this happen with Home Owner's Associations. It's true.
TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH
There is a difference between maintaining and upgrading. It is not the property owners fault VZ waited all this time to "upgrade". They are still able to obtain access to maintain and that is what the property owner wants; them to maintain it. Their network does NOT depend on installing FiOS or even upgrading to it. FiOS should be a service that is NOT forced onto the customers. And you do realize that FiOS doesn't get "repaired" as current services. It's all digital VoIP the same as Cable. Nothing to repair but many the Ont which is rare.

OSUGoose

join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH

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Re: Building owners have the right to....

Maintenance can include facilities replacement, if the ILEC is migrating to a all fiber network.

batterup
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said by TBBroadband:

It's all digital VoIP the same as Cable.

FiOI can deliver "POTS" or VoIP "digital voice". This is not "same as Cable" far from it.

latez

join:2002-01-07
Brooklyn, NY
that's precisely what happened in my building in Brooklyn - until our co-op board got their shit together and leaned on the landlord (who owned the other 40% of the units) we couldn't get anything installed. A carrier has every right to access their own equipment. END OF STORY.
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batterup
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said by JasonOD :

..... they don't have to talk to you.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWBUl7oT ··· Ul7oT9sA

NPGMBR5

join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA
This is certainly the problem where I live. My building's management company has come kind of long term deal with Comcast so even though FIOS can be installed were stuck with Comcast. I had FIOS in the building I was in before I moved and I never had a problem. I'd love to have FIOS again because althought Comcast's TV services are 99% reliable, I have to power down my Comcast router several times a week because my internet slows to a trickle. Luckily, I'll be buying my own place next year so I won't have to deal with Comcast anymore.
ADL

join:2000-12-20
USA

Verizon cherry picks FIOS deployments

I don't feel bad for Verizon they don't repair crappy DSL lines and cherry picks Fios deployments.

They were never going to deploy to all areas anyway.

PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD

Re: Verizon cherry picks FIOS deployments

The City of Baltimore understands this all too well.

Hell, I live in Baltimore County and we're JUST getting fiber laid in our neighborhood (though the street 1 block up has had it for 3 years).
mjmellin

join:2005-06-24
Englishtown, NJ

Verizon Cherry Picks

Our Condo association contacted Verizon probably 3+ years ago about getting FiOS deployed for our community. We went through the process and provided written permission for them to dig and everything. They then turned around and stated that deployments are frozen. Since then I am under the impression that our townhome complex will never see FiOS even though it is on the main street outside of our community.

batterup
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Re: Verizon Cherry Picks

said by mjmellin:

Since then I am under the impression that our townhome complex will never see FiOS even though it is on the main street outside of our community.

Does your serving Central Office offer FiOS? If not it has nothing to do with your complex, it has to do with Verizon not seeking new contracts. The money is in wireless. FiOS is expensive to deploy compared to 4G and 4G is WAY less regulated.

This "cherry-picking" is old and false, once again I call your attention to where FiOS was mandated to be placed in NJ with no thought of return on investment.

quote:
Verizon Communications employee is shot in Irvington
»www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/0 ··· s_s.html
PX Eliezer
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Re: Verizon Cherry Picks

I don't know what security problems in Irvington, NJ have to do with FiOS generally.

In Marlboro, NJ (a prosperous community in Monmouth County), VZ wired half the town and then left.

And that was [not] because anyone got shot.

batterup
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Re: Verizon Cherry Picks

said by PX Eliezer:

I don't know what security problems in Irvington, NJ have to do with FiOS generally.

In Marlboro, NJ (a prosperous community in Monmouth County), VZ wired half the town and then left.

And that was [not] because anyone got shot.

The subject is "cherry picking" FiOS installs. I was showing if Irvington NJ is a must wire for FiOS the "cherry picking" is a fallacy propagated by the uninformed.

FiOS is deployed by Central Office not by town, there are many towns where some can get it and some cannot. FiOS stopped one CO from me. If towns gave Verizon the deal they give Google Verizon would wire everyone but not Irvington first.
PX Eliezer
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Re: Verizon Cherry Picks

Good point.
CXM_Splicer
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That's true but 'cherry picking' can also be done within a CO... depends on your particular definition of cherry picking.

batterup
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Re: Verizon Cherry Picks

said by CXM_Splicer:

That's true but 'cherry picking' can also be done within a CO... depends on your particular definition of cherry picking.

"Cherry picking", as it is used on this forum, is a company deploying to a market where there will be a positive return on investment and avoiding markets where there is likely to be a negative return. FiOS was stopped dead in its tracks because it was treated like "POTS" by regulators but with no "POTS" guaranteed return.

As for cherry picking within a CO; in NJ there was a new development built and Verizon placed no cable in the ground; they signed a deal with the CATV provider to supply VoIP "POTS" if a resident demanded Verizon, as the provider of last resort, supply it. Verizon's McAdam would like to be rid of all land-lines; a cable failure still requires the same amount of work to fix but instead of hundreds being out of service there are only tens. I can see McAdam trying to make his wireless "Cellco Partnership" a separate company from landline Verizon; most likely after buying out Vodafone's 45% and saddling landline Verizon with the debt.
CXM_Splicer
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Re: Verizon Cherry Picks

If that is the definition you want to use then VZ is definitely cherry picking. Deploying only in areas that give them video franchise agreements proves that beyond a doubt. Treated like POTS?? How so? TV is 'regulated' mostly by individual franchise agreements, Internet is basically unregulated, and most phone lines are VoIP and no more regulated than Time Warner telephone or Magic Jack.

I agree that Mcadam would like to make wireless separate (and get rid of landline altogether) but Verizon business is also 'landline' and generates considerable profit. If not for that, they would have dumped landline by now since that's what Wall St. has been telling him to do. It is not the loosely enforced, practically non-existent regulations... it is the added expense of a union workforce they don't like. That is all money that could be going to the shareholders instead.

cybah

join:2000-03-09
Chelsea, MA
So not true. It's well known and documented that here in MA, Verizon cherry picks neighborhoods.

They've been salivating for years to try to get into the BackBay (rich neighborhood), but can't. A friends building in BB already has the Fiber to the phone room, it just needs to be turned on). Why has this not happened? Because the mayor FORCED the VZ to wire up the WHOLE city and provide service in poorer neighborhoods. Verzion has ZERO interest in providing service to poor areas who won't sign up for service. (aka they lose money on it)

So the cables sit there.. un-used because of this power play.
CXM_Splicer
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I have had probably 15-20 supers come up to me over the past 2 years and ask when their building is going to get FIOS (in NYC). They have contacted Verizon, building owners are on board, CO is FIOS capable, building next door has it... still no FIOS.

When it IS the landlord refusing access, it is not about money but about quality of materials/work. Giving a building FIOS is an intrusive installation, not just a simple 'upgrade' of existing copper plant. Landlords know other landlords where the FIOS build didn't go very well. There is a complete lack of communication between sales and construction... specific requests of the landlords never make it down to the guys who go out to do the work.

In the end, no one gives a shit because the stock is going up

batterup
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Re: Verizon Cherry Picks

said by CXM_Splicer:

In the end, no one gives a shit because the stock is going up

And it has paid a cash dividend every quarter for 100 years.
Dividend Yield 4.19%

AnonMe

@comcastbusiness.net

Is that seriously what a FIOS install looks like?

I've never actually seen one of these installations first hand. Was beginning to wonder if it actually existed, or just urban legand.

Is all that non-sense really what it takes?

That picture looks like a:
ONT
Battery backup
AC power adapter
FIOS Coax router (whatever they call this device)
Router power supply
Coax splitter

And I can only imagine that many people don't have two free outlets, so now they need an outlet strip.

That's five separate components! You'd think all of that would be built into one, compact box, with one power cord!

Guess that's one more reason Verizon can't figure out why it costs them so much per install!

•••••••

Nycmdu

@myvzw.com

Read the franchise

Agreement for NYC is 12/31/14 not 1/1/14 so stop with he 4 month crap Karl. U won't get 100% by end of '14 but certainly will be higher than whatever it is now.
CXM_Splicer
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Re: Read the franchise

And what is the penalty if they don't complete 100% by 12/31/14? Old 3-term-Milke will be out by then but I doubt he would care anyway... he is a business man. Maybe the new mayor will just revoke the whole franchise

carlnyc

@myvzw.com

ok lets build a great excuse

by blaming all NYC landlords. hey we cut a deal with the cable companies for that prestigious AWS spectrum. Our new cable friends asked for one condition to stop the build out even in current cities such as new york and Philly after all we don't want to upset our cable monopoly friends Comcast and timewarner cable.
jasondean

join:2009-08-28
Brooklyn, NY

Rather than threaten...

I can understand Verizon's frustration as they want remove all copper but there has to be a compromise from everyone at some point!

I'd love FiOS in my building but I don't see it happening any time soon in a rental only. It's not like the owner cares unless they get a nice kickback or freebies. As a renter, I have never been asked about what service I would prefer or if I would even like an option. TWC is in and we have to accept it.

Now, if Verizon wanted to publish a simple list of buildings where they offered FiOS and were refused, at least the residents can look it up. Then the residents can make their own push to press the owners to make the switch. I'd even sign a petition for Verizon to present to my landlord stating I would immediately sign up with FiOS. No anonymous letters, accountability, and a clear message to TWC that we are ready to leave you because of crappy service.

I realize that there are people who rely on POTS and I certainly don't want to take that away from them but there has to be a way where everyone wins.
elefante72

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Re: Rather than threaten...

Well in MDU they have the option to deploy VDSL to the CPE and optical to the distribution point. This is very similar to say AT&T Uverse, but in that case the only construction mod is where they put the ONT. Not sure if that is still the preferred deployment method for sticky sites.

In NYC though there is never a uniform answer. In some cases landlords are "on the take" and some Verizon is not depending upon the anticipated ARPU and where fibre was laid Verizon may be stalling.

And lots of stuff was run though the steam, and since Sandy that has been a mess.

Back in the day we used to have to pay off lift operators (operators union) to get equipment into buildings and the guys at the dock too. Sometimes the IBEW wanted their cut too. Lets just say I had to take lots of "trips around the rotary" to pay off those expenses.

NYC is old world in many respects that way.
tmc8080

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It's relatively easy to move after your lease is up.. plenty of rental units have FIOS in Brooklyn. Although some of the big buildings in north Brooklyn have yet to be wired. Wiring each floor with fiber and adding distribution hubs is a good thing-- using DSL is not (you may want to investigate which is which before signing a lease in a large MDU). Fiber to the floor can allow an ONT to each apt making full speed FIOS available. Using old phone lines usually compromise speeds because DSL technology is used.

HardwareGeek

join:2003-11-15
Brooklyn, NY

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A lot of landlord deny verizon access

I have fios everyone on my block has fios except 1 building. My friend in that building says the landlord and or super won't give verizon access to the basement.
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Kommie
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Re: A lot of landlord deny verizon access

Bodies in the Basement?

TFResident

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Does anyone else notice that it's mainly TF Cornerstone

If you look at the original petition [»/r0/download/2 ··· %29.pdf], you can see that 4 of the 6 properties are owned by the TF Cornerstone/Rockrose brothers. They built 4 BRAND NEW buildings in LIC for 3,500 additional residents in the last two years and NONE of them have fios despite the entire rest of the neighborhood being wired up.

Someone really needs to investigate TF Cornertone's blocking of access to services. Every other resident I have spoken to in the last couple years has been clamoring for fios but the owners refuse access to Verizon each time.

In my opinion there is some under the table funds being handed off between Time Warner/Comcast and TF Cornerstone to keep out other services and it needs to stop....

fatal

join:2000-12-29
Brooklyn, NY

Re: Does anyone else notice that it's mainly TF Cornerstone

hey verizon come wire my building you emailed me and told me he gave you permission 4 months ago and I'm still waiting!!
WhatNow
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Some landlords want a kings ransom for equipment space to the point it is not profitable to offer the service. In the past they provided the telco and power utility rooms/closets because they were regulated. With the cable the telco is becoming less and less regulated.
IF this crowd does not already know this but regulated POTS is on the way out. The Telcos are planning to shut off the present POTS switches over the next 10 years. The only service they will offer will be some type of VoIP.

Eddy120876

join:2009-02-16
Bronx, NY

Landlords don't care for the well being of their tenants as

they can gouge us with the help of the city. For example my friend has a condo in Red bank and they wont allow fios in and she ask why and they never gave her a clear answer. So she yell out to then is it cash related and they stop the meeting and walk away. Same crap in my building they don't allow anybody but Cablevision because of some silly rules they implemented. Like putting the dish inside the common area of the building..guess where that is. the Stair well. Yeah most landlords don't give a damn who comes in as long as they get pay for anything. Yet ask then to fix anything fast and see how that goes LOL. NYC scumlords owning the city by the B@lls since market value became the norm.
pittpete1

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lol

You really think Verizon would spend all that time and $$$$ installing FIOS into a privately owned building or housing complex unless they thought people wanted it?
Right now the Bronx is exploding with new FIOS installs, there is so much work there techs are working 7 days a week to keep up with the demand.
People want FIOS, they want a choice. Having a choice creates competition, competition creates better pricing.
It's the filthy slumlords and towns that want their pockets lined with royalties that are the problem here.

Eddy120876

join:2009-02-16
Bronx, NY

Re: lol

SO true my friend. I have the juntion beige box it was installed in less then 3 days and yes most slumlords all they care is pay me the money and shut up, If they could get away with charging you for using your own Air Conditioner legally they would be swimming in money. same goes for heat if they could not offer it unless you pay they would never want the winter to go.

TheTechGuru

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Time to Move Forward Already...

People need to stop thinking of FIOS as internet, FIOS is the current way of providing a basic landline thus the PUC needs to step in, easement rights and right of ways need to be enforced to get these replacment lines put it.

All of America's copper infrastructure is going to have to eventually be replaced with fiber, people need to learn to accept that there must be a little bit of disturbance and destruction (trenching/drilling) in order to move forward with newer technologies.

Asking them to replace broken copper POTS with new copper POTS is like asking to leave analog cell phone service running so that joe blow can use a built in analog car phone in his old car.

Allow the upgrades or do without and quit complaining you can't get nothing. Eventually all your tenants will move out to somewhere that allowed the upgrades.
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Eddy120876

join:2009-02-16
Bronx, NY

Re: Time to Move Forward Already...

the Sad part is that most landlord don't give a rats @ss as long as they are getting paid. I do agree we need to move from copper to fiber asap